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This is very interesting, but I also think that a lot of week 1 activity was due to all of the problems in week 1. When a stream crashes you will always get a flurry of posts, and in week 1 that happened all the time.
Week 8 was of course MLG.
I guess it's impossible to collect after the fact, but what would really be nice is having peak/average stream viewers for both US/EU broadcasts. I actually don't think those stats would be as damning. From what I remember (except for week 8), the viewers in US timezone hovers around 15k pretty consistently, and wasn't that much more for week 1.
It does make logical sense that there would be less total interest as the weeks go on. First, there have been a disturbing number of walkovers recently. Secondly, while the regular season does make certain games much more interesting in the latter weeks, it also makes a lot of other games pointless. Next week I'll probably only tune in to the games that matter.
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Those are LR threads? Meh, I don't really think that's a terrible awful indication. For instance I check scores etc on the Nasl website as opposed to TL just because of it's cool interface. Also, the games are soo many they all bear very little significance = very little exciting to talk about. MLG LRs etc blow up because of controversy/excitement, and theirs not too much at stake in nasl...yet.
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NASL is like the MLB of starcraft. 162 boring baseball games a season where the great majority of the teams are out of contention within the first few months (not mathematically but realistically). no body really gives a shit until playoffs
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I don't really use the LR threads for NASL at all, while I am more inclined to use them for MLG or GSL.
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I'm very curious to see what kind of viewership will be recieved when the finals part of the NASL hits. At the moment NASL is more of a tournament I watch if I have nothing else to do, it starts at 10.30 am and if I don't have uni or work then I'll tune in if I am interested in the players who are playing.
The over saturation of group play makes it far too hard to follow every single day, 2 months of just division play? GSL is receives complaints of being too long sometimes and it's over within a month - would be less but there is a week break between semi's and final's.
Maybe they should look at doing a reformat of their league because at the moment I won't watch any group play next time around - it's just like tuning into a players stream, something I don't do to often, just to kill time.
That being said I can't wait for the offline finals.
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Not surprised at all... The most anticipated matches keep getting canceled, which don't reflect good upon the whole concept of NASL. At least that's my experience.
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This is only the threads. People discuss the NASL on other forums, such as well played and reddit. What matters is the number of people who actually watch the event which is normally 10-20 thousand daily on the live stream, and a good number during the restream.
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Calgary25977 Posts
They can bring it back with the playoffs. I'd be interest to see stream numbers more than replies.
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Australia7069 Posts
On June 07 2011 10:30 Kennigit wrote:
Wow, pretty powerful. Thats a very low attach rate and i'd have to imagine its due to the problems they suffered from in week 1. It would be interesting to see how other leagues like IPL or CSN events size up. Also the graphs may be a bit misleadings because people tend to post more when there are problems and dont say much if things are going ok. Day 1/2 was a constant stream of complains which probably affects those 2 peaks.
so the MLG day 3 thread got 1400 pages or so right. imagine if everything had been fucked up....2k+??????
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On June 07 2011 10:58 Chill wrote:
They can bring it back with the playoffs. I'd be interest to see stream numbers more than replies.
yeah I was going to say Stream numbers are a lotmore important the last LR thread was 10 pages of either the player making a mistake or commenting on my trolling and then 20 about PU
As a maker of the LR threads they don't really matter to be the're more of a results thread then anything else I doubt anyone really cares about that really important thing that happened on page 443 in that mlg LR thread.
NASL stream numbers have actualy gone up before crashing like the stream at 20k thats what I want to find out about.
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I'm surprised Day 1 gets so much attention as people are always complaining it is the weakest group. I think the viewership by group #s has a lot more to do with the days of the week than the quality of the group. Lots of people watching the first and last day of NASL and not too many people watching the middle ones. I mean you can see why group 5 would draw a huge crowd but what is special about group 1?
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Don't find the NASL games that exciting anymore, but I think once the playoffs get going I'll probably tune in again. It's wierd, even with there being the chance of some great games I just don't feel the desire to watch. Bit of an SC2 overload right now :D.
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Here's a comprehensive summary of my issues with NASL.
- So far, it's been a glorified qualifier tournament in a league format where everyone plays everyone, nobody is directly eliminated after the games, and nobody wins anything. The games are played week in, week out, and it's really difficult to build up and maintain any sort of hype and excitement.
- TL coverage is bad. I don't go to NASL website, and I don't frequent WellPlayed.org. TL is the center of my Starcraft universe and ideally I don't want to have to go ANYWHERE else (I'm even very annoyed by the teamliquidpro.net as an actual fan of the team). Yet all we get here is a live report thread, it's even hard to find the updated group rankings, and there are no write-ups, interviews, anything.
- It's clearly way too much of a commitment for the players with no short-term benefits at all, which leads to all the walkover wins and no-shows. Having seen some games I'm not getting the impression that NASL is high priority for the players at all and obviously it's almost entirely neglected by players who have no chance of qualifying directly from the groups, leading to a lot of one-sided games even if they do show up.
It just feels like too much of a grind at this point. I don't think this was that well thought out at all, given the potential with the prize money and everything, or at the very least it isn't to my personal liking. But yeah, ultimately I think format is the biggest issue. Watching TSL3 qualifier tournaments was a lot more exciting to me.
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I think it is largely to do with what Kennigit said. People were complaining about a lot at first, now things are calmed down and no one has problems.
BUT... i will say that recently soooo much content has come out for SC2 that I have not had time to see everything and NASL is something that is easily cut-out b/c its on every night and I just think "well i can skip it tnite, its always on". not to mention the damned season seems very long! Almost like its dragging on, I have been waiting for the finals of the NASL for a while now. Pool play loses its interest after a while, people want to see eliminations and drama.
So i think that its a combined fact that people were upset at first which generated a lot of discussion and the fact that its always on. I suspect discussion will pick up again during the finals and around the beginnings of season 2.
That being said, I love NASL and am in no way shape or form wishing that it fades away and disappears. It is a very critical thing and very important for esports in NA.
cheers! 
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Yeah I was turned off by all the technical problems early on and while I do tune in occasionally, It's not a part of my evening routine like I hoped it would be.
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On June 07 2011 10:58 Chill wrote:
They can bring it back with the playoffs. I'd be interest to see stream numbers more than replies.
Yea, I think one thing we should remember is there might be people who don't participate in LR threads and simply watch the stream. The disproportional number of LR views and posts might be due to the endless complaining and technical difficulties in the first week. I'd also like to see a chart of stream views, if at all possible oO.
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Week 8 got a bit stifled by MLG. Their viewership will increase greatly during the playoffs and the later stages of the tournament.
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There is definitely a lack of excitement to NASL games. I'm sure once games become more important numbers will pick up.
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I think week 9 (this week), people will be interested in certain games, as those will effect who does and who does not get into the finals and the play offs.
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