TL: How did you feel when the crowd was chanting your name after your victory? MMA: I had something to say, but I forgot it amidst the cheers.
TL: MLG Columbus was very good for the Koreans, with you, Losira and MC placing 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. What do you think of the foreigners, and how would they do in the GSL if they went to Korea? MMA: The reason Koreans did better than foreigners is because they work harder, doing what they love with professionalism, putting in long hours with perserverence and passion. Of the foreigners, I think ThorZain would do very well if he came to the GSL.
TL: You're part of Slayers, a team run by one of the most popular players - Boxer. You play very similarly to the way Boxer played in Brood War. Does he coach you, or is there some reason you have a similar style? MMA: My medivac play is something any Terran could do if they played with more finesse, but because the SC II interface is so convenient, players don't exploit that aspect of the game. I think thats why my harass play works.
TL: Did you expect the foreign fans to be so passionate? How does it compare to your experience in GSL and Korea? MMA: It's my first time in the USA, and the crowds, passion, cheers were reminiscent of the 2002 World Cup in Korea. It was so great, and it would be awesome if GSL could be as popular.
TL: You said you want to come back to MLG. Any words to the fans who'd also love to see you again? MMA: Korean players know all about TeamLiquid and visit it often. I'd like to thank all of the fans. Also, there are a lot of foreign pro-gamers on TL, and I hope [Koreans] have good exchanges.
There was something I wanted to say back on stage. Thanks for inviting us to MLG. Thank you MLG employees, Lee Chen, Alyssa, Josh, and especially Wooju (milkis) here for helping us out.
On June 06 2011 11:20 Tarot wrote: Great interview.
Glad to see MMA recognizing the potential in Thorzain. He sure held his own against a 2 time GSL champion.
I really hope Thorzain heads to GSL. I'm normally very skeptical about people who claim x or y foreign player is on par with top Koreans simply because they might win one series or be dominant in the foreign scene, but Thorzain I think is unquestionably a contender.
On June 06 2011 11:20 Tarot wrote: Great interview.
Glad to see MMA recognizing the potential in Thorzain. He sure held his own against a 2 time GSL champion.
I really hope Thorzain heads to GSL. I'm normally very skeptical about people who claim x or y foreign player is on par with top Koreans simply because they might win one series or be dominant in the foreign scene, but Thorzain I think is unquestionably a contender.
I think Thorzain has proven over multiple series that he can contend with just about anyone out there. especially if you give him prep time, the GSL is the perfect environment for him to excel
I really liked the nod to Thorzain. Seeing as how the GSL is a month long and you receive your matchup with the maps a week in advance, I can see Thorzain succeeding. His preparation is phenomenal.
What do you think of the foreigners, and how would they do in the GSL if they went to Korea? MMA: The reason Koreans did better than foreigners is because they work harder, doing what they love with professionalism, putting in long hours with perserverence and passion.
What do you think of the foreigners, and how would they do in the GSL if they went to Korea? MMA: The reason Koreans did better than foreigners is because they work harder, doing what they love with professionalism, putting in long hours with perserverence and passion.
Only part I have to disagree on.
Nice interview though.
What? This is absolutely true. Foreigners don't have anything near the professional training atmosphere that the Koreans do. The Koreans approach training like a serious job. Foreigners are so much more lax.
If MMA recognizes you as a terran force to be reckoned with that would make my night if it was me . I crave more footage from MLG! MOAR! (and thanks for the interview).
What do you think of the foreigners, and how would they do in the GSL if they went to Korea? MMA: The reason Koreans did better than foreigners is because they work harder, doing what they love with professionalism, putting in long hours with perserverence and passion.
Only part I have to disagree on.
Nice interview though.
What? This is absolutely true. Foreigners don't have anything near the professional training atmosphere that the Koreans do. The Koreans approach training like a serious job. Foreigners are so much more lax.
Yeah, and I'd say he phrased it very considerately, stating that practice was the only real difference, that foreigners and Koreans were equal on skill, which is not something you hear a lot.
What do you think of the foreigners, and how would they do in the GSL if they went to Korea? MMA: The reason Koreans did better than foreigners is because they work harder, doing what they love with professionalism, putting in long hours with perserverence and passion.
Only part I have to disagree on.
Nice interview though.
Only part you disagree on? This is exactly why the Koreans are so much better. They work 10x as hard as foreigners do.
Nice interview Nice to see MMA being so humble after winning. I just don't get why he mentioned thorzain (don't get me wrong thorzain is very good) but not idra, who placed higher than thorzain and is just as good.
On June 06 2011 11:36 ronpaul012 wrote: "It was so great, and it would be awesome if GSL could be as popular"
woah, am I reading this correctly? Did he just admit that foreign fans are more into it as korean fans? Or what was he saying if that wasn't it.
I think the mlg crowd cheers overwhelmed him and i havnt seen anything like that in the GSL so he probably means if the fans were as active as the westerners.
On June 06 2011 11:38 hunts wrote: Nice interview Nice to see MMA being so humble after winning. I just don't get why he mentioned thorzain (don't get me wrong thorzain is very good) but not idra, who placed higher than thorzain and is just as good.
Well seeing is how both MMA and Thorzain plays terran I think he can see deep into the details and execution of Thorzain and be impressed by it.
MMA has been my fav korean since the 2nd gstl, the drop play is always amazingly timed and always hurts the opponents multi-tasking. Almost every time losira attacked him there was atleast 1 drop killing all of his drones while his attention had to be elsewhere and all any terran has to do is shift click around the map then on the medivac then across the mineral line!
The chanting of the public was really amazing. Great audience, great tournament and a well deserved winner even though my heart went alot to the non koreans aswell.
What do you think of the foreigners, and how would they do in the GSL if they went to Korea? MMA: The reason Koreans did better than foreigners is because they work harder, doing what they love with professionalism, putting in long hours with perserverence and passion.
Only part I have to disagree on.
Nice interview though.
What? This is absolutely true. Foreigners don't have anything near the professional training atmosphere that the Koreans do. The Koreans approach training like a serious job. Foreigners are so much more lax.
This is true. Foreigners tend to have their hand in lots of different cookie jars. Coaching, streaming, casting etc etc... Which takes up a lot of playing time. Koreans get up at a specific time every day and practice for at least X amount of hours every day. Then you have to factor in the advantage of team houses and having your life focus solely around Starcraft and pretty much nothing else. The work ethic in Korea in general is just better tbh. When i went there years ago on holiday i was amazed at how hard the citizens work man, there's no way people in England at least would work that hard. There's nothing special about the Koreans in terms of talent, they are not born with faster hands or a better ability to control a mouse and keyboard. They just work and practice harder. Which in turn creates talent.
The Koreans focus entirely on winning, that to them is all that matters. And they'll work their arses off to get the job done. Got to respect that.
On June 06 2011 11:38 hunts wrote: Nice interview Nice to see MMA being so humble after winning. I just don't get why he mentioned thorzain (don't get me wrong thorzain is very good) but not idra, who placed higher than thorzain and is just as good.
IdrA may have placed higher but ThorZain had a better showing. 2-0 over IdrA and taking 2 games of MC today in the elimination round.
Also IdrA getting humiliated 4-0 at the end really put a downer on his performance. I felt bad for him.
On June 06 2011 11:38 hunts wrote: Nice interview Nice to see MMA being so humble after winning. I just don't get why he mentioned thorzain (don't get me wrong thorzain is very good) but not idra, who placed higher than thorzain and is just as good.
Because Idra has already played in the gsl and did pretty well with consistent results in code s.
MMA really impressed me at columbus. Not just through his play, which was fantastic, but showing a little personality in his celebration. Hope to see him in more foreign tournaments :D
On June 06 2011 11:44 chipmonklord17 wrote: I would love to see Thorzain go to Korea, maybe Slayers use him as a merc in the new GSTL? Or hell better yet just recruit him as SlayersThorzain.
On June 06 2011 11:44 chipmonklord17 wrote: I would love to see Thorzain go to Korea, maybe Slayers use him as a merc in the new GSTL? Or hell better yet just recruit him as SlayersThorzain.
Congrats MMA! You deserved it! Loved MLG Columbus overall and I now cannot wait for the next event. I'm very impressed MLG really pulled it together. There are still a few smaller issues to smooth out, but this was a phenomenal improvement from Dallas. I'm a happy camper tonight. :D
On June 06 2011 11:21 Baffels wrote: Thanks, can't wait for the vid. So hyped for Anaheim, I mean there is just such a huge difference between Ohio and California. Will be epic!
If by that you mean Mid-West > West Coast then I agree. Lol
I remember back when PC Gamer did the Showdown LAN, the midwest one in Peoria, IL sold out and they added 100 seats and then those sold out. The one in California sold about 300 of the 500 available seats.
Also, Sundance said that MLG Columbus broke almost every record they had.
I'm calling it right now that MLG Columbus will trump MLG Anaheim as far as turnout goes.
On June 06 2011 11:12 Waxangel wrote: MMA: My medivac play is something any Terran could do if they played with more finesse, but because the SC II interface is so convenient, players don't exploit that aspect of the game. I think thats why my harass play works.
I find this quote really elegant and interesting, even though I'm not exactly sure what he means by it. I think he's trying to say that players find dropping easier to defend or react to with the larger control groups, or that the streamlined nature of the game and macro in general makes players lazy about micro as well (when it seems like it would do the opposite)? Therefore his heavy drop play works because it's already strong and forces a reaction, but he believes any Terran can (and probably should) play this way? Really interesting quote.
On June 06 2011 11:12 Waxangel wrote: MMA: My medivac play is something any Terran could do if they played with more finesse, but because the SC II interface is so convenient, players don't exploit that aspect of the game. I think thats why my harass play works.
I find this quote really elegant and interesting, even though I'm not exactly sure what he means by it. I think he's trying to say that players find dropping easier to defend or react to with the larger control groups, or that the streamlined nature of the game and macro in general makes players lazy about micro as well (when it seems like it would do the opposite)? Therefore his heavy drop play works because it's already strong and forces a reaction, but he believes any Terran can (and probably should) play this way? Really interesting quote.
Thanks Milkis, MMA FIGHTING! MLG was great.
he means people are 1aing to much if he drops 8 marines, zergs sends 50 ligns to clean up the drop instead of 20. which gives him more map control to move around freely etc.
On June 06 2011 11:12 Waxangel wrote: MMA: My medivac play is something any Terran could do if they played with more finesse, but because the SC II interface is so convenient, players don't exploit that aspect of the game. I think thats why my harass play works.
I find this quote really elegant and interesting, even though I'm not exactly sure what he means by it. I think he's trying to say that players find dropping easier to defend or react to with the larger control groups, or that the streamlined nature of the game and macro in general makes players lazy about micro as well (when it seems like it would do the opposite)? Therefore his heavy drop play works because it's already strong and forces a reaction, but he believes any Terran can (and probably should) play this way? Really interesting quote.
Thanks Milkis, MMA FIGHTING! MLG was great.
he means people are 1aing to much if he drops 8 marines, zergs sends 50 ligns to clean up the drop instead of 20. which gives him more map control to move around freely etc.
This is the impression I got too, thanks. I think he feels that way about other Terrans too, simple one hotkey syndrome, as well as the enemy reacting too strongly like you said.
On June 06 2011 11:12 Waxangel wrote: MMA: My medivac play is something any Terran could do if they played with more finesse, but because the SC II interface is so convenient, players don't exploit that aspect of the game. I think thats why my harass play works.
I find this quote really elegant and interesting, even though I'm not exactly sure what he means by it. I think he's trying to say that players find dropping easier to defend or react to with the larger control groups, or that the streamlined nature of the game and macro in general makes players lazy about micro as well (when it seems like it would do the opposite)? Therefore his heavy drop play works because it's already strong and forces a reaction, but he believes any Terran can (and probably should) play this way? Really interesting quote.
Thanks Milkis, MMA FIGHTING! MLG was great.
he means people are 1aing to much if he drops 8 marines, zergs sends 50 ligns to clean up the drop instead of 20. which gives him more map control to move around freely etc.
This is the impression I got too, thanks. I think he feels that way about other Terrans too, simple one hotkey syndrome, as well as the enemy reacting too strongly like you said.
Also something to ellaborate on that, in the majority of TvZ most players stop heavy drop play after mutas. But when MMA would send a medivac out it would almost distract the mutas.
I mean whats a few marines + medivac if you now can reposition your army without fear of mutas picking off things?
On June 06 2011 11:21 Baffels wrote: Thanks, can't wait for the vid. So hyped for Anaheim, I mean there is just such a huge difference between Ohio and California. Will be epic!
If by that you mean Mid-West > West Coast then I agree. Lol
I remember back when PC Gamer did the Showdown LAN, the midwest one in Peoria, IL sold out and they added 100 seats and then those sold out. The one in California sold about 300 of the 500 available seats.
Also, Sundance said that MLG Columbus broke almost every record they had.
I'm calling it right now that MLG Columbus will trump MLG Anaheim as far as turnout goes.
Mid-West fighting!!!!!
Anaheim is their only west coast event cause they used to do more but couldn't even fill out the player rosters.
Always excited to hear about how Koreans love their foreign fan support and just the general foreign crowd. Also like hearing about how they read TL (or at least know about it). Thanks for the translation!
On June 06 2011 11:21 Baffels wrote: Thanks, can't wait for the vid. So hyped for Anaheim, I mean there is just such a huge difference between Ohio and California. Will be epic!
If by that you mean Mid-West > West Coast then I agree. Lol
I remember back when PC Gamer did the Showdown LAN, the midwest one in Peoria, IL sold out and they added 100 seats and then those sold out. The one in California sold about 300 of the 500 available seats.
Also, Sundance said that MLG Columbus broke almost every record they had.
I'm calling it right now that MLG Columbus will trump MLG Anaheim as far as turnout goes.
Mid-West fighting!!!!!
We need to keep breaking it, I want to have MLG columbus forever, its pretty much the only SC2 LAN in all of Ohio........ Anyway it was amazing, I felt bad for TLO because iNControl Cheesed him again!
we cant forget GSL is a different format. its held more often due to the TV format. and its still the highest skill level at the moment. MLG showed it pretty much. every MLG employee can sleep very very very good for the next days and i had alot of fun this weekend rooting for players i like. MLG looked so solid and its so awesome to hear koreans want to come back and play again. thanks america delivering so good content. europe/ESL really has to step up with the IEM ! ! ! observer wise of course. its sad to see the ESL does not seem to put the same amount of effort into the scene (besides take/homestory cup).
i think MLG and GSL should even work more together. bringing more koreans to MLG and more foreigners to GSL.
I love how the first, second and 3rd places were all T Z and P. That speaks a lot to balance, along with even the top 16 finishers. Terran with the lowest rep, but winning it all with this man's brilliant play. This was a great weekend for eSports. WP, MLG. WP
I totally knew he'd win MLG especially when I heard Bomber was a no show. This guy just continues and continues to prove he's one of the top 3 Terrans in the world.
On June 06 2011 11:12 Waxangel wrote: TL: You're part of Slayers, a team run by one of the most popular players - Boxer. You play very similarly to the way Boxer played in Brood War. Does he coach you, or is there some reason you have a similar style? MMA: My medivac play is something any Terran could do if they played with more finesse, but because the SC II interface is so convenient, players don't exploit that aspect of the game. I think thats why my harass play works.
I've long thought the convenience of SC2 has led most players to be extremely lazy and not reaching the potential they could with the units some of the races have. MMA rules.
TL: MLG Columbus was very good for the Koreans, with you, Losira and MC placing 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. What do you think of the foreigners, and how would they do in the GSL if they went to Korea? MMA: The reason Koreans did better than foreigners is because they work harder, doing what they love with professionalism, putting in long hours with perserverence and passion. Of the foreigners, I think ThorZain would do very well if he came to the GSL.
This quote stood out to me. Why are the Koreans doing so much better than foreigners? We can't blame it on pro-houses and lack of sponsors anymore. Do you think coaching/streaming/lack of practice are causing the skill difference?
I am glad MMA won out of all the Koreans at the tournament, he was very humble and seemed to really enjoy it. So MLG here is bigger than GSL in Korea? Thats the impression I got. In any case I think MMA just won himself a lot of foreign fans
TL: MLG Columbus was very good for the Koreans, with you, Losira and MC placing 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. What do you think of the foreigners, and how would they do in the GSL if they went to Korea? MMA: The reason Koreans did better than foreigners is because they work harder, doing what they love with professionalism, putting in long hours with perserverence and passion. Of the foreigners, I think ThorZain would do very well if he came to the GSL.
This quote stood out to me. Why are the Koreans doing so much better than foreigners? We can't blame it on pro-houses and lack of sponsors anymore. Do you think coaching/streaming/lack of practice are causing the skill difference?
The Korean server in general is considered tougher than the NA/EU servers, ladder practice would likely yield more training experience. Koreans tend to have a very systematic approach to training in team houses. A lot of foreign players still have school/part time work/families. Ofc, having a coach (rather than letting yourself be your own coach) helps too.
Your TvP cannot possible be all that bad if you have the option to practice vs Alicia 30 times a day.
TL: MLG Columbus was very good for the Koreans, with you, Losira and MC placing 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. What do you think of the foreigners, and how would they do in the GSL if they went to Korea? MMA: The reason Koreans did better than foreigners is because they work harder, doing what they love with professionalism, putting in long hours with perserverence and passion. Of the foreigners, I think ThorZain would do very well if he came to the GSL.
This quote stood out to me. Why are the Koreans doing so much better than foreigners? We can't blame it on pro-houses and lack of sponsors anymore. Do you think coaching/streaming/lack of practice are causing the skill difference?
well, the houses themselves ensure that players are practicing well without slacking off; the hours koreans put in are much higher, and it's a fact
also, there is a much stronger pool of players in korea in general, also meaning stronger practice partners, as well as a greater variety
MMA wrote: The reason Koreans did better than foreigners is because they work harder, doing what they love with professionalism, putting in long hours with perserverence and passion.
Interesting that he cites Thorzain as one of the best foreigners -- he may not be the flashiest or the most crowd-pleasing, but from what I've seen of his play he is just damn solid, and very psychologically tough. Sort of the anti-Idra (I'm an Idra fan too, don't flame me).
MMA wrote: The reason Koreans did better than foreigners is because they work harder, doing what they love with professionalism, putting in long hours with perserverence and passion.
TL: MLG Columbus was very good for the Koreans, with you, Losira and MC placing 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. What do you think of the foreigners, and how would they do in the GSL if they went to Korea? MMA: The reason Koreans did better than foreigners is because they work harder, doing what they love with professionalism, putting in long hours with perserverence and passion. Of the foreigners, I think ThorZain would do very well if he came to the GSL.
This quote stood out to me. Why are the Koreans doing so much better than foreigners? We can't blame it on pro-houses and lack of sponsors anymore. Do you think coaching/streaming/lack of practice are causing the skill difference?
@this MLG itself, while other players were watching the stream or the main stage, Losira, and MMA were found in the back watching replays studying for their next match. Their level of dedication to the game goes beyond just practicing hard at home, they take nothing for granted.
This guy's multitasking is sick. All his attacks are like multi-pronged. I don't think he ever engaged Losira without a medivac flying towards his main and another to one of the naturals.
On June 06 2011 12:36 cursor wrote: How can you not love this guy?
Congratulations MMA. You're a total beast.
I love how the first, second and 3rd places were all T Z and P. That speaks a lot to balance, along with even the top 16 finishers. Terran with the lowest rep, but winning it all with this man's brilliant play. This was a great weekend for eSports. WP, MLG. WP
The game is pretty well balanced, but the top 3 finishers being of 3 diff races is more due to the fact that those were 3 (arguably) best koreans. If you had MVP Bomber come over instead of MC and Losira the top 3 could all be T's
I'm starting to think MMA's marine micro is a step above MKP's. Take a look at his game vs. July. That final engagement was nothing short of spectacular. I would love to see these two square off in the GSL soon.
I must agree about the ThorZain comments. To be honest, before this tournament, I thought his only amazingly refined matchup was TvP but I was absolutely blown away by his games against Select. His mechanics are unbelievable for a non-Korean in my opinion.
With that being said, great interview! I always love reading what Koreans think about foreigners and foreign events. Keep them coming
MMA wrote: The reason Koreans did better than foreigners is because they work harder, doing what they love with professionalism, putting in long hours with perserverence and passion.
Great quote MMA, and so true.
Hoping more foreigners will adopt this trait.
Yeah, I made this exact point last night and got flamed up and down by people telling me to get a real job/life. In fact, I sacrificed and put in long hours to get into my dream profession and have a family I'm supporting in an expensive area to live.
I just want foreigners to be honest. To all foreigners who just want this to be a fun hobby, I say declare it right now. Just say well I have talent but I'm just having fun with this, don't really care how well I do. Like Steve jobs with the first apple TV, at least people won't be let down when your lack of ambition is discovered at tourneys.
MMA wrote: The reason Koreans did better than foreigners is because they work harder, doing what they love with professionalism, putting in long hours with perserverence and passion.
Great quote MMA, and so true.
Hoping more foreigners will adopt this trait.
Yeah, I made this exact point last night and got flamed up and down by people telling me to get a real job/life. In fact, I sacrificed and put in long hours to get into my dream profession and have a family I'm supporting in an expensive area to live.
I just want foreigners to be honest. To all foreigners who just want this to be a fun hobby, I say declare it right now. Just say well I have talent but I'm just having fun with this, don't really care how well I do. Like Steve jobs with the first apple TV, at least people won't be let down when your lack of ambition is discovered at tourneys.
Easier said than done. A lot of us would love to spend 10+ hours a day on this game. Fact is, real life gets in the way. Sure, if I could make a living on gaming I'd do it, but unfortunately it doesn't really pay in NA (unless your name is Idra or... oh wait, that's probably it). Having school/full time job/whatever is pretty damn important.
In Korea, if you're damn good, practice 12 hours a day and you'll make progress, get picked up by a team... sure, might not be the most comfortable lifestyle, but it's something. In NA, how are you supposed to make any money?
Note: I'm only a Masters player, so obviously not in a position to become a pro-gamer anytime soon :p
Would be pretty sad if MMA couldn't go to the next MLG =/ GOM might sponsor 4 other Koreans to go, and leave MMA to fund the trip himself, which he might not be able to do. Be interesting to see how that pans out.
TL: Did you expect the foreign fans to be so passionate? How does it compare to your experience in GSL and Korea? MMA: It's my first time in the USA, and the crowds, passion, cheers were reminiscent of the 2002 World Cup in Korea. It was so great, and it would be awesome if GSL could be as popular.
Wow, I was quite surprised at this part!
Also, it was quite hilarious when the translator started speaking to MMA in english. I feel like I would have done that 4 or 5 times if I had translated as much as he did that weekend.
Isn't the deal that the top 4 Koreans according to GSL points get to go to MLG (with the exception of this first one)? If so then MMA won't/shouldn't get a GSL spot to MLG. But it seems that it would be pretty easy for Slayers to get a sponsor for it. Anyway thanks so much for the interview!
On June 06 2011 14:43 Tachion wrote: Would be pretty sad if MMA couldn't go to the next MLG =/ GOM might sponsor 4 other Koreans to go, and leave MMA to fund the trip himself, which he might not be able to do. Be interesting to see how that pans out.
Yeah, that would be sad. I don't know how well SlayerS is funded for international travel, I can't think of any members that have attended international events that weren't invite/paid for
On June 06 2011 11:20 Tarot wrote: Great interview.
Glad to see MMA recognizing the potential in Thorzain. He sure held his own against a 2 time GSL champion.
I really hope Thorzain heads to GSL. I'm normally very skeptical about people who claim x or y foreign player is on par with top Koreans simply because they might win one series or be dominant in the foreign scene, but Thorzain I think is unquestionably a contender.
Exactly. Most pros will not be able to compete in Korea, but if it's Thorzain or Naniwa (just naming the ones who went to MLG), I am sure they can do it.
On June 06 2011 14:56 Nontrivial wrote: Isn't the deal that the top 4 Koreans according to GSL points get to go to MLG (with the exception of this first one)? If so then MMA won't/shouldn't get a GSL spot to MLG. But it seems that it would be pretty easy for Slayers to get a sponsor for it. Anyway thanks so much for the interview!
I don't believe it's based upon GSL rank or points in any way. I think it's just people who have a following and who are able/willing to go.
Please put a spoiler alert on this post, and change the name to "Interview with the winner of MLG". Because it's quite telling who won based on the headline.
MMA wrote: The reason Koreans did better than foreigners is because they work harder, doing what they love with professionalism, putting in long hours with perserverence and passion.
Great quote MMA, and so true.
Hoping more foreigners will adopt this trait.
Yeah, I made this exact point last night and got flamed up and down by people telling me to get a real job/life. In fact, I sacrificed and put in long hours to get into my dream profession and have a family I'm supporting in an expensive area to live.
I just want foreigners to be honest. To all foreigners who just want this to be a fun hobby, I say declare it right now. Just say well I have talent but I'm just having fun with this, don't really care how well I do. Like Steve jobs with the first apple TV, at least people won't be let down when your lack of ambition is discovered at tourneys.
Easier said than done. A lot of us would love to spend 10+ hours a day on this game. Fact is, real life gets in the way. Sure, if I could make a living on gaming I'd do it, but unfortunately it doesn't really pay in NA (unless your name is Idra or... oh wait, that's probably it). Having school/full time job/whatever is pretty damn important.
In Korea, if you're damn good, practice 12 hours a day and you'll make progress, get picked up by a team... sure, might not be the most comfortable lifestyle, but it's something. In NA, how are you supposed to make any money?
Note: I'm only a Masters player, so obviously not in a position to become a pro-gamer anytime soon :p
Actually, there are plenty of 'full-time' pro-gamers in the western world, just that they don't practice as much. Some either spend their time coaching/casting/being on random talk shows, or they just don't have the same dedication. It is not true though, that the players can't afford to live off the game either via team salary/sponsorship or coaching/streaming.
From TLO and Morrow's interviews at this event, they even said that the swedish house isn't going as well as hoped and they are going to make it a little more strict/korean when they go back. It would be nice if other players adopt this attitude.
I think the reason MMA says players know about TL is because he lives with Cella, MLG does raise interesting questions about thorzain. The impression of him from the TSL was that he studies his opponent and prepares insanely well for matches. In MLG he wasn't able to do that but still made it quite far. Are we overestimating or underestimating his ability to prepare for an opponent.
Congrats to MMA, indeed! Wow, I surely enjoyed his never-ending intense play, and I loved the moment when the crowd began to cheer saying "MMA! MMA! MMA! MMA!" and MMA lost his words for a while.
On June 06 2011 11:36 ronpaul012 wrote: "It was so great, and it would be awesome if GSL could be as popular"
woah, am I reading this correctly? Did he just admit that foreign fans are more into it as korean fans? Or what was he saying if that wasn't it.
Yes, and you have to admit it's true. Look at the turnout and energy of MLG versus GSL.
Well usually the GSL finals have more viewers but the fans arent as energetic, im kind of surprised he said that as GSL gets soooo many online viewers in korea and elsewhere (hundreds of thousands) nothing can really compare to that in the west yet, but this MLG seemed like a huge success and they will only build on it from here :D best MLG yet , best foreigner event yet? :D i think so
Honestly though sundance said there were about 1000 fans watching at the venue, GSL finals usually have around 2-3000 ( i think the last venue held 3000 and it was mostly full) but the fans and MLG were so energetic it probably seemed like far more then it was.
On June 06 2011 15:10 Steamboatlol wrote: I think the reason MMA says players know about TL is because he lives with Cella, MLG does raise interesting questions about thorzain. The impression of him from the TSL was that he studies his opponent and prepares insanely well for matches. In MLG he wasn't able to do that but still made it quite far. Are we overestimating or underestimating his ability to prepare for an opponent.
Well mc defenetly got his revenge in 2 different series but thorzain can defenetly put up a fight with some of the best, i dont know if he would get very deep in the GSL his first few tries but he defenetly has the ability to win games and possibly make it to code s.
so since the top 3 are koreans, who will be seeded to GSL? MMA is codeA will he play in code S now? and who are the 2 others players to be seeded? idra and nani? do they wanna come?
Totally agree about thorzain. He just completely outclassed select and idra- that is not an easy task. And he is the type of player who seems to thrive in the GSL type tourney format where you can prepare for a specific match. He has such an awesome temperment and attitude- he has become my favourite player. I wish to see more of him.
On June 06 2011 15:01 TheFisherman wrote: Please put a spoiler alert on this post, and change the name to "Interview with the winner of MLG". Because it's quite telling who won based on the headline.
I have known for quite some time that SlayerS'Ganzi and SlayerS`MMA were among the top 5 terran in the world!
The other 3 being Bomber, IMMvP and SlayerS`Ryung. I can't think of anyone else quite at their level. Perhaps SlayerS`boxer, but his results are inexpilcable in that case.
very nice! thanks again! I'll definitely be rooting for the non-koreans going to Code A and I hope they can make some practise arrangement with some other team in Korea. Actually, when will it be decided who gets the Code A spots? Making those arrangements does take some time, I think.
Milkis is the man. Alyssa(cuz) is a gem to work with. Lee Chen = My Hero. MMA, I am deeply honored you mentioned me in this interview. Thank you so much! I look forward to seeing you again along with all our Korean guests.
MMA wrote: The reason Koreans did better than foreigners is because they work harder, doing what they love with professionalism, putting in long hours with perserverence and passion.
Great quote MMA, and so true.
Hoping more foreigners will adopt this trait.
Yeah, I made this exact point last night and got flamed up and down by people telling me to get a real job/life. In fact, I sacrificed and put in long hours to get into my dream profession and have a family I'm supporting in an expensive area to live.
I just want foreigners to be honest. To all foreigners who just want this to be a fun hobby, I say declare it right now. Just say well I have talent but I'm just having fun with this, don't really care how well I do. Like Steve jobs with the first apple TV, at least people won't be let down when your lack of ambition is discovered at tourneys.
Easier said than done. A lot of us would love to spend 10+ hours a day on this game. Fact is, real life gets in the way. Sure, if I could make a living on gaming I'd do it, but unfortunately it doesn't really pay in NA (unless your name is Idra or... oh wait, that's probably it). Having school/full time job/whatever is pretty damn important.
In Korea, if you're damn good, practice 12 hours a day and you'll make progress, get picked up by a team... sure, might not be the most comfortable lifestyle, but it's something. In NA, how are you supposed to make any money?
Note: I'm only a Masters player, so obviously not in a position to become a pro-gamer anytime soon :p
NA has a lot more money (or at least a lot better prize distribution) than Korea, and the competition is a lot easier. On what planet is it more difficult to live as a progamer in NA than Korea, at least when it comes to making money?
Sure you can get in a pro team house and live pretty much for free in Korea, but if you're not a Code S regular and you don't have a decent salary from you team (and most don't), it's not worth it in the long run. You're essentially only getting older and eventually, several years down the line, when you're no longer able to stay in the team house and live for free, you realize you're fucked because you don't have a job, education and didn't actually make any money to be able to sustain yourself in the future.
It's not a walk in the park regardless of where you are. Progaming isn't a profession that caters to the mediocre - you either need to be on top or on your way to the top. This is why it's sad that out of the players currently in EU/NA pretty much only Naniwa shows signs of ambition and commitment, while a lot of other players (especially NA players) spend their time streaming, coaching, commentating, doing podcasts and competing in low skill online tournaments.
On June 06 2011 11:12 Waxangel wrote: MMA: It's my first time in the USA, and the crowds, passion, cheers were reminiscent of the 2002 World Cup in Korea. It was so great, and it would be awesome if GSL could be as popular.
Yeah!!! that's right. USA is now officially more eSports friendly than Korea :D, as said by the Korean!!! :D
On June 06 2011 11:12 Waxangel wrote: MMA: It's my first time in the USA, and the crowds, passion, cheers were reminiscent of the 2002 World Cup in Korea. It was so great, and it would be awesome if GSL could be as popular.
Yeah!!! that's right. USA is now officially more eSports friendly than Korea :D, as said by the Korean!!! :D
If by more eSports friendly you mean more SC2 friendly, then yeah. =P
The reason Koreans did better than foreigners is because they work harder, doing what they love with professionalism, putting in long hours with perseverance and passion.
It's true man, they treat this game PROFESSIONALLY!! They have the passion and love the game but it's a JOB! It's hard to adapt this mentality in the US/Europe because most people on the outside can't view being a SC pro as a real job. So the players here don't treat their training as strict, they don't think of the game as a grind. They don't work as hard on their mechanical skills.
I also think the environment of MLG is detrimental to NA/EU players, too much social stuff on their own time. The Koreans came to MLG focused on just wining and that's what they did. Same with Naniwa when he won, he came there as a low key guy who only focused on his games and maybe talked a little to his teammates.
On June 06 2011 16:32 Clutch8 wrote: Milkis is the man. Alicia (cuz) is a gem to work with. Lee Chen = My Hero. MMA, I am deeply honored you mentioned me in this interview. Thank you so much! I look forward to seeing you again along with all our Korean guests.
Josh
Working with you, Alyssa, Lee, and all the other MLG staff was such an amazing experience. It was a pleasure working with all of you
He is in Code S now, am I right? If so, he really deserves it!
This mlg no code s spots were given away as the up and down matches already happened so there was no room for the mlg champion. Next season gsl will have an other system which will give the mlg winner code s.
Was a big fan of MMA before and an even bigger fan now ^_^ Imo the most impressive player, especially his TvZ. Also, good interview by hotbid and milkis, hb didnt do the awkward hold the mic together with mma like jp did, hahah
He is in Code S now, am I right? If so, he really deserves it!
This mlg no code s spots were given away as the up and down matches already happened so there was no room for the mlg champion. Next season gsl will have an other system which will give the mlg winner code s.
damn, so even in gsl august MMA wont be gifted with code S? i thought he got code s
He is in Code S now, am I right? If so, he really deserves it!
This mlg no code s spots were given away as the up and down matches already happened so there was no room for the mlg champion. Next season gsl will have an other system which will give the mlg winner code s.
damn, so even in gsl august MMA wont be gifted with code S? i thought he got code s
No, unfortunately all the Code S slots were already decided before the MLG-GSL deal was announced. Beginning with the next MLG/GSL the up/down system changes and leaves an open spot for the MLG champion.
He will have a nice chunk of rank points which means he can partake in the $50000 1st prize MLG National Championship though :3
I didn't know this player well before the tournament, he seems like such a nice and respectful person. Add to that his insane drop play and I'll root for him next time!
On June 06 2011 15:52 OPL3SA2 wrote: I have known for quite some time that SlayerS'Ganzi and SlayerS`MMA were among the top 5 terran in the world!
The other 3 being Bomber, IMMvP and SlayerS`Ryung. I can't think of anyone else quite at their level. Perhaps SlayerS`boxer, but his results are inexpilcable in that case.
Great job with the interview and I have to say excellent job Milkis with all the translations all weekend. It was super helpful! :D When you borked on stage after the final it was also very endearing. You're definitely getting some nerd street cred after that. hahaha
This weekend definately made me a milkis fan, one of the best translators out there. The english-english translation on the main stage just made it better :D
I'm so proud of American SC fans for showing up to this event. My pipe dream is that Korean SC2 players realize the scene is bigger in the West than in Korea, and decide to move their team houses here.
Great job translating Milkis!
TL's exposure at MLG was very cool. I was excited to read that the Korean pros are all on TL!
Amazing interview! Great job Hot_bid and Milkis and MMA being awesome as always.
Milkis has been awesome the entire weekend translating so much for us, also making the korean players post something on their fanclubs here. Big <3 for you Milkis! you deserved the kind words of MMA :D
On June 06 2011 11:20 Tarot wrote: Great interview.
Glad to see MMA recognizing the potential in Thorzain. He sure held his own against a 2 time GSL champion.
Thorzain is a great preparation player, he would do fine in the GSL. Against unexpected opponents without time to prepare, I think he is a little weak.
On June 06 2011 11:20 Tarot wrote: Great interview.
Glad to see MMA recognizing the potential in Thorzain. He sure held his own against a 2 time GSL champion.
Thorzain is a great preparation player, he would do fine in the GSL. Against unexpected opponents without time to prepare, I think he is a little weak.
I have no clue why people keep saying that. I've gone through most of the recent high level games he've played and I've not seen any particular weakness in that regard. Surely he is even better with the chance to prepare but I feel people are hugely overstating that as his weakness.
On June 06 2011 11:20 Tarot wrote: Great interview.
Glad to see MMA recognizing the potential in Thorzain. He sure held his own against a 2 time GSL champion.
Thorzain is a great preparation player, he would do fine in the GSL. Against unexpected opponents without time to prepare, I think he is a little weak.
I have no clue why people keep saying that. I've gone through most of the recent high level games he've played and I've not seen any particular weakness in that regard. Surely he is even better with the chance to prepare but I feel people are hugely overstating that as his weakness.
Yup, just playing "random" opponents he already looked pretty damn solid, but if he has a week to prepare = WTF!
On June 07 2011 03:42 hmunkey wrote: Did anyone notice how the translator said "uh" after every 2 words?
Try on-the-fly translating all day long for 3 days straight on little sleep and see how your brain works. Milkis was god tier compared to many of the translators that have been at other events including blizzcon and WCG.
On June 07 2011 03:42 hmunkey wrote: Did anyone notice how the translator said "uh" after every 2 words?
Try on-the-fly translating all day long for 3 days straight on little sleep and see how your brain works. Milkis was god tier compared to many of the translators that have been at other events including blizzcon and WCG.
Oh man, the blizzcon translations is stuck in my mind.
On June 07 2011 03:42 hmunkey wrote: Did anyone notice how the translator said "uh" after every 2 words?
Try on-the-fly translating all day long for 3 days straight on little sleep and see how your brain works. Milkis was god tier compared to many of the translators that have been at other events including blizzcon and WCG.
Translation on the fly is also a really really hard skill. There's a reason people can make a profession out of it if they do it well.
On June 07 2011 03:42 hmunkey wrote: Did anyone notice how the translator said "uh" after every 2 words?
Yeah my brain stopped working a long time ago D:
Don't worry about it you did an amazing job IMO! I couldn't even begin to think about how hard it is to translate from korean-> english and back so fast.
On June 07 2011 03:42 hmunkey wrote: Did anyone notice how the translator said "uh" after every 2 words?
Try on-the-fly translating all day long for 3 days straight on little sleep and see how your brain works. Milkis was god tier compared to many of the translators that have been at other events including blizzcon and WCG.
/amen Milkis not only did the translation quickly but he did it in proper English with intonations that reflected the original feeling of the Korean words. To do that between an Asian and Romantic language is quite impressive. Hence, Milkis is the man.
On June 07 2011 04:08 Milkis wrote: Yeah my brain stopped working a long time ago D:
You're so amazing.
It must've been pretty nice getting shouted out by MMA. Jealous, but not really considering all the work you had to do. Thanks for all of your hard work! <3 TL loves you.
On June 07 2011 03:42 hmunkey wrote: Did anyone notice how the translator said "uh" after every 2 words?
Try on-the-fly translating all day long for 3 days straight on little sleep and see how your brain works. Milkis was god tier compared to many of the translators that have been at other events including blizzcon and WCG.
yea, especially translating from Korean to English where verb/subject is backwards. Just thinking of having to remember all of that then translate itmakes my brain hurt. Milkis is def god-mode translator
MMA really good guy though i believe he wouldnt win if it wasnt that idras quit thogh he played really well vs losira. But how come someone doesnt knows english while being an e-sport gamer
On June 07 2011 20:58 Silencioseu wrote: MMA really good guy though i believe he wouldnt win if it wasnt that idras quit thogh he played really well vs losira. But how come someone doesnt knows english while being an e-sport gamer
Yeah i think this question comes up now... The Koreans wherent really aware of the international tournaments and stuff... Till maybe half an year. So it will take some time but i think the best players will learn english now. Maybe in a year tmost of them will be able to say some words in english... But for now we need to be patient with them
On June 07 2011 20:58 Silencioseu wrote: MMA really good guy though i believe he wouldnt win if it wasnt that idras quit thogh he played really well vs losira. But how come someone doesnt knows english while being an e-sport gamer
They don't learn english in school. It's that simple. I don't believe there are many at all who knows a language which is not spoken by their parents and which they didn't learn through school.
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