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asmo.0
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway318 Posts
June 05 2011 12:02 GMT
#381
I find it insane that so many people take this seriously and can think of this as a negative thing... Idra doesnt really care, but MC certainly only wants to please the crowd, he probably also gets confidence and focus from it... He's pleasing the crowd, all in good humor.
He doesnt really do anything disrespectful... People can argue that f ex Incontrol or Huk is much worse for talking ingame.
Buffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden665 Posts
June 05 2011 12:03 GMT
#382
Idra and MC, my god just makes it all that better.
Yes I am
ithildin
Profile Joined June 2011
United States9 Posts
June 05 2011 12:16 GMT
#383
There is always a lot of talk about people wanting esports to be more like a mainstream sport, and mainstream sports don't put up with this kind of behavior. 5 minutes of google returns results from the NHL, NFL, NBA, and even rugby.

Let's show some class.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
June 05 2011 12:17 GMT
#384
On June 05 2011 21:01 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 20:41 Talin wrote:
Meh, it's becoming tiresome to reply to these threads, but it's so irritating that they always get this much attention that I just can't help it.

It's childish and unnecessary. When July, a living legend, can show sportsmanship, respect and humility in his interview comments after smashing Kiwi, it's just sad to see these kids (in comparison) that don't have a tenth of his accomplishments trying to look badass.

It's about dignity, class and self-respect (or lack thereof, in case of MC, Idra, Major and the rest of the "badass" crew). This is why you won't see somebody like Boxer or most true Starcraft legends behaving like that.


They're not trying to look badass, they're trying to entertain the fans and succeeding.


They're trying to look badass to entertain the crowd then, it makes no difference to my point whatsoever.

It's still degrading for a progamer and competitor to act like an entertainer, especially out of the game, especially when it involves being obnoxious and disrespectful (regardless of whether the sentiment is real or not).
HoldenR
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands256 Posts
June 05 2011 12:25 GMT
#385
On June 05 2011 21:17 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 21:01 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On June 05 2011 20:41 Talin wrote:
Meh, it's becoming tiresome to reply to these threads, but it's so irritating that they always get this much attention that I just can't help it.

It's childish and unnecessary. When July, a living legend, can show sportsmanship, respect and humility in his interview comments after smashing Kiwi, it's just sad to see these kids (in comparison) that don't have a tenth of his accomplishments trying to look badass.

It's about dignity, class and self-respect (or lack thereof, in case of MC, Idra, Major and the rest of the "badass" crew). This is why you won't see somebody like Boxer or most true Starcraft legends behaving like that.


They're not trying to look badass, they're trying to entertain the fans and succeeding.


They're trying to look badass to entertain the crowd then, it makes no difference to my point whatsoever.

It's still degrading for a progamer and competitor to act like an entertainer, especially out of the game, especially when it involves being obnoxious and disrespectful (regardless of whether the sentiment is real or not).


Who do you think you are to dictate what is or is not good for the sport, or how the pros should or should not behave?

A large majority of the people who enjoy the entire e-sports scene, enjoyed this little debacle. Why on earth do you think you'd get to take that away from them? E-sports success' depends on the people watching it, and if you'd like to alienate a large majority of the fans, then I'd like to congratulate you on killing the entire scene. In the name of "manner", you'd ruin fun.
Steamroller
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland756 Posts
June 05 2011 12:27 GMT
#386
On June 05 2011 21:17 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 21:01 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On June 05 2011 20:41 Talin wrote:
Meh, it's becoming tiresome to reply to these threads, but it's so irritating that they always get this much attention that I just can't help it.

It's childish and unnecessary. When July, a living legend, can show sportsmanship, respect and humility in his interview comments after smashing Kiwi, it's just sad to see these kids (in comparison) that don't have a tenth of his accomplishments trying to look badass.

It's about dignity, class and self-respect (or lack thereof, in case of MC, Idra, Major and the rest of the "badass" crew). This is why you won't see somebody like Boxer or most true Starcraft legends behaving like that.


They're not trying to look badass, they're trying to entertain the fans and succeeding.


They're trying to look badass to entertain the crowd then, it makes no difference to my point whatsoever.

It's still degrading for a progamer and competitor to act like an entertainer, especially out of the game, especially when it involves being obnoxious and disrespectful (regardless of whether the sentiment is real or not).


I found MC's "boss" acting to be really awkward. Only in e-sports can nerdy looking guy like MC do it and get the crowd cheers.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
June 05 2011 12:27 GMT
#387
On June 05 2011 21:25 HoldenR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 21:17 Talin wrote:
On June 05 2011 21:01 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On June 05 2011 20:41 Talin wrote:
Meh, it's becoming tiresome to reply to these threads, but it's so irritating that they always get this much attention that I just can't help it.

It's childish and unnecessary. When July, a living legend, can show sportsmanship, respect and humility in his interview comments after smashing Kiwi, it's just sad to see these kids (in comparison) that don't have a tenth of his accomplishments trying to look badass.

It's about dignity, class and self-respect (or lack thereof, in case of MC, Idra, Major and the rest of the "badass" crew). This is why you won't see somebody like Boxer or most true Starcraft legends behaving like that.


They're not trying to look badass, they're trying to entertain the fans and succeeding.


They're trying to look badass to entertain the crowd then, it makes no difference to my point whatsoever.

It's still degrading for a progamer and competitor to act like an entertainer, especially out of the game, especially when it involves being obnoxious and disrespectful (regardless of whether the sentiment is real or not).


Who do you think you are to dictate what is or is not good for the sport, or how the pros should or should not behave?

A large majority of the people who enjoy the entire e-sports scene, enjoyed this little debacle. Why on earth do you think you'd get to take that away from them? E-sports success' depends on the people watching it, and if you'd like to alienate a large majority of the fans, then I'd like to congratulate you on killing the entire scene. In the name of "manner", you'd ruin fun.


Or...maybe this is just how these guys naturally act?
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
SpiffD
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1264 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 12:30:32
June 05 2011 12:28 GMT
#388
On June 05 2011 21:16 ithildin wrote:
There is always a lot of talk about people wanting esports to be more like a mainstream sport, and mainstream sports don't put up with this kind of behavior. 5 minutes of google returns results from the NHL, NFL, NBA, and even rugby.

Let's show some class.


Those cases are absurd and are great examples of politically correctness gone very wrong.

I doubt you could find an example outside of any former colony of England. The rest of Europe, for example, aren't as soft skinned and wouldn't take offence to such an act.
Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit
ManaO
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy185 Posts
June 05 2011 12:32 GMT
#389
BALLER MC
No fear, Dr. Smith is here
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
June 05 2011 12:35 GMT
#390
Why people always compare SC2/ESports to NHL, NFL or NBA.
To me just the fact that MC can do a throat cut move and IdrA can respond to it by giving him the finger makes Esports better and much more fun to watch than these traditional sports.
Paperplane
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands1823 Posts
June 05 2011 12:36 GMT
#391
People take manners way too seriously. People who don't follow esports do so because they're not interested in it. Not because someone flipped another guy the bird.
More publicity is always a good thing, and look at all the publicity this little "incident" got.
HaeHei
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom162 Posts
June 05 2011 12:40 GMT
#392
love this makes it feel more of a tournament :D plus idra's middle finger love it! :D
Humans are weak. For every cure found, another disease is uncovered. It's a game of chase.
MurMiLLo
Profile Joined February 2011
United States260 Posts
June 05 2011 12:42 GMT
#393
On June 05 2011 21:16 ithildin wrote:
There is always a lot of talk about people wanting esports to be more like a mainstream sport, and mainstream sports don't put up with this kind of behavior. 5 minutes of google returns results from the NHL, NFL, NBA, and even rugby.

Let's show some class.


i dont give a shit if i get banned or whatever but i have 2 words for u.



FUCK OFF

User was temp banned for this post.
Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
June 05 2011 12:42 GMT
#394
I can't understand how some people find this as bad manner.. It ain't even harsh or anything, just a show for the masses.. Idra have said again and again in interviews and shows like SotG that it is all for show.

It helps break down the barrier between the players and he spectators because they show some humane side of themselves.
"Yeah buddy"
poorbeggarman
Profile Joined August 2010
139 Posts
June 05 2011 12:44 GMT
#395
On June 05 2011 21:16 ithildin wrote:
There is always a lot of talk about people wanting esports to be more like a mainstream sport, and mainstream sports don't put up with this kind of behavior. 5 minutes of google returns results from the NHL, NFL, NBA, and even rugby.

Let's show some class.


Yeah, like all those intentional fouls, bickering etc on professional football. Real classy.
Mackin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland181 Posts
June 05 2011 12:44 GMT
#396
Its all a bit of fun

I am also in the boat that wants to see MC vs IdrA once again, would be really nice.
Serenity
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 12:47:36
June 05 2011 12:46 GMT
#397
What a bunch of whiners, way to take things way to serious!

MC said it himself in the interview with Hot_bid, he sees themselves as wrestlers, he loves adding some hype, controversy, rivalry and charisma to the scene. Its all to entertain us (the crowd). Thats why people either hate or love him. Its exactly the same with IdrA, i think its nice he sometimes spices things up with his BM and interviews.

I get the idea people think he really wants to decapitate him lol. Its a bit similar to last MLG with Huk and IdrA and than some weeks later just hang out at dreamhack.
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2010 Posts
June 05 2011 12:48 GMT
#398
MC is quality, I am glad the crowd gave him such an awesome reception.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Iamyournoob
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany595 Posts
June 05 2011 12:50 GMT
#399
I find such stuff hilariously entertaining - especially MC is awesome. I think he wouldn't have so many fans without his cockyness.

I mean come on, it is just a huge show he puts on every time and you know what? It is damn right he does so.

Even though I don't feel much love for Idra he never fails to amuse me - be it through his gaming skills or his BM.

But besides: I have never seen MC leave a game without gging or something like that. Furthermore I believe that his overconfident acting towards his opponents is also meant to intimidate them.

What did Jose Mourinho, coach of Real Madrid, say about psychology in sports?
"The game starts already at the first press conference."
That being said, you can be a nice guy and stick to the game or you can do stuff out of the game to confuse/intimidate or make your opponent get angry.

Thanks to Idra and MC for such a great spectacle.

Hell, gotta love MCs interaction with the crowd, he is definetely a fan favourite for a reason!
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
June 05 2011 12:51 GMT
#400
Perfect knee-jerk from Idra
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
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