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FatManIsFat
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia9 Posts
June 01 2011 11:10 GMT
#1101
Thanks! Nicely written and a lot of awesome info. My excitement just jumped tenfold for HOTS after reading this!
They should have sent a poet...
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
June 01 2011 11:17 GMT
#1102
On June 01 2011 19:17 Monzterg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 19:09 ThunderGod wrote:
On June 01 2011 18:47 Monzterg wrote:
Starcraft 2 has to be the most disapointing sequel in the history of PC games. Hopefully this expansion can change some of that.

It sure doesnt look that way tho, looks worse and worse....

Also why have the official trailers and in-game movies become so bad? It's just not manly or cool at all any more....

Yes the single-player is laughably bad: ahahahaha.
It's obviously not designed to appeal to the likes of teamliquid members - more like they were thinking of their eight-year-old kids.
SC1 had a lot more depth and maturity to it. SC2 has about as much depth as Justin Bieber's voice.



Yea the fact that Starcraft 2 is the Justin Bieber version of Brood War also really diminishes the status the great players get.

I feel like "Woho you've become one of the best Starcraft 2 players in the world? Congratulations you have now retained a status compareable with a real pokemon grandmaster!!"


I used to be a hardcore fan. I grinded ICCup, watched all the proleague, MSL and OSL matches I could on a daily basis.

I'm so sad

BW was still there last time I checked. If it was by far the superior game, people would play it instead.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
Hekisui
Profile Joined May 2011
195 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 11:24:27
June 01 2011 11:23 GMT
#1103
Them suddenly coming up with brood mothers to drive the gameplay shows you how much vision they have.
Not to mention the whole Tassadar/Overmind thing and them leaking the ending of HotS. They have no vision or creativity and fail time and time again at elegant design. And very tech savy game engine wise they never were.

They already messed up SC2 multiplayer. Dustin Browder admitted that he was clueless and wrong.

How much longer will it take until people realize Blizzard isn't by far the best game dev but actually a below average one?


Ooh and when will top SC2 players realize why they get no respect? Remember when everyone respected SC BW gamers because everyone knew SC BW was the most hardcore game to play? Well, SC2 is basically the most casual RTS played competitively. It's sad when your game is more casual than HALO.
IVN
Profile Joined October 2010
534 Posts
June 01 2011 11:41 GMT
#1104
On June 01 2011 04:53 reprise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 04:45 Probe1 wrote:
From the point of view of someone who didn't watch competitive bw the reaver wasn't as exciting as the collosus. It was fun but it required way more skill to use than a colossus. Maybe thats why it is hated ><


The Reaver is much more exciting to watch than Collosus. The fact that it's severely handicapped by it's speed made it a nailbiting experience to watch and see if the shuttle carrying it is going to get sniped, or if the scarab which has the possibility to change the outcome of a game, become a dud.

The Collosus is boring because it is predictable, easy to use yet extrenely powerful, making it a staple unit in every game.

What other "extremely powerful" unit do the protoss have?

You all bitch about the Colossus, but non of you says a word about the weak and at the same time costly gate units.

It's not like protoss already have powerful "core" units and the Colossus is the imba icing on the cake...no, in reality gate units are inferior to their counterparts for the other two races and the Colossus is needed to bring back "balance to the force".
Mactator
Profile Joined March 2011
109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 12:14:26
June 01 2011 11:45 GMT
#1105
On June 01 2011 20:23 Hekisui wrote:
Them suddenly coming up with brood mothers to drive the gameplay shows you how much vision they have.
Not to mention the whole Tassadar/Overmind thing and them leaking the ending of HotS. They have no vision or creativity and fail time and time again at elegant design. And very tech savy game engine wise they never were.

They already messed up SC2 multiplayer. Dustin Browder admitted that he was clueless and wrong.

How much longer will it take until people realize Blizzard isn't by far the best game dev but actually a below average one?


Ooh and when will top SC2 players realize why they get no respect? Remember when everyone respected SC BW gamers because everyone knew SC BW was the most hardcore game to play? Well, SC2 is basically the most casual RTS played competitively. It's sad when your game is more casual than HALO.


I couldn't agree more. SC2 is designed for the mass.

EDIT: When I started playing SC2 I was hoping for long back and forth games that weren't decided by a few mistakes but the mechanics and skills of the player. This game is just one big frustration. It has so much potential but it never really reaches it.
Warpish
Profile Joined June 2011
834 Posts
June 01 2011 11:48 GMT
#1106
I want to be a Zerg cerebrate. I want to destroy worlds and spread destruction with Zerg swarms and choose which units are better to overrun my opponents. I want to use the Zerg as the killing machines they are. I don’t want to sympathize with them or understand them, i just want to seek and destroy.

For the same reasons I don’t want to move Kerrigan around with some laser gun and upgrade her. I want a campaign that focus on the larger scheme of things.


Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 11:48:39
June 01 2011 11:48 GMT
#1107
Yes guys, it's true about sc2, but sc1 is too old. There is a reason why sc1 is dead outside korea. It's a great game, but it's just outdated.
BBXX
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland14 Posts
June 01 2011 11:48 GMT
#1108
Hi

I hope that Blizzard will introduce some additional upgrades in multiplayer game

i would like to see


- speedlings upgrade 100m/100g at lair tech

now zerglings get one more max hit points after killing an unit up to 60hp.
(not all zerglings but thoose that got a kill)
it would be impressive to see new lings micro involving retaining hurt ones


- nydus network upgrade 100m/100g at hive tech

now units at nydus network will be healed at rate one hp per second



those upgrades would change matchups to more be dynamic

what are your thoughts about them ?

PS.Sorry, i am still learning english
For the Swarm
WhiteKnight88
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2 Posts
June 01 2011 11:48 GMT
#1109
Great article, tons of great information.

I will punch a baby if they do not include lurkers though. Easily my favorite unit in Broodwar.
Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
June 01 2011 11:49 GMT
#1110
On June 01 2011 20:23 Hekisui wrote:
Them suddenly coming up with brood mothers to drive the gameplay shows you how much vision they have.
Not to mention the whole Tassadar/Overmind thing and them leaking the ending of HotS. They have no vision or creativity and fail time and time again at elegant design. And very tech savy game engine wise they never were.

They already messed up SC2 multiplayer. Dustin Browder admitted that he was clueless and wrong.

How much longer will it take until people realize Blizzard isn't by far the best game dev but actually a below average one?


Ooh and when will top SC2 players realize why they get no respect? Remember when everyone respected SC BW gamers because everyone knew SC BW was the most hardcore game to play? Well, SC2 is basically the most casual RTS played competitively. It's sad when your game is more casual than HALO.


Wow dude, really?
please leave this forum and go play some "hardcore" rts.
Always look on the bright side of life
sigma_x
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia285 Posts
June 01 2011 11:51 GMT
#1111
On June 01 2011 20:17 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 19:17 Monzterg wrote:
On June 01 2011 19:09 ThunderGod wrote:
On June 01 2011 18:47 Monzterg wrote:
Starcraft 2 has to be the most disapointing sequel in the history of PC games. Hopefully this expansion can change some of that.

It sure doesnt look that way tho, looks worse and worse....

Also why have the official trailers and in-game movies become so bad? It's just not manly or cool at all any more....

Yes the single-player is laughably bad: ahahahaha.
It's obviously not designed to appeal to the likes of teamliquid members - more like they were thinking of their eight-year-old kids.
SC1 had a lot more depth and maturity to it. SC2 has about as much depth as Justin Bieber's voice.



Yea the fact that Starcraft 2 is the Justin Bieber version of Brood War also really diminishes the status the great players get.

I feel like "Woho you've become one of the best Starcraft 2 players in the world? Congratulations you have now retained a status compareable with a real pokemon grandmaster!!"


I used to be a hardcore fan. I grinded ICCup, watched all the proleague, MSL and OSL matches I could on a daily basis.

I'm so sad

BW was still there last time I checked. If it was by far the superior game, people would play it instead.


It is superior, in the sense that it has a lot more strategy and depth than sc2. Unfortunately, that doesn't necessarily translate to more people playing it. For example, there's not much money in the Western esports scene in sc1. As a result, many people outside of Korea can't follow player-celebrities like they do currently in sc2. It's also from an older time period, and it goes without saying that there is a different response between being attracted to a new game as opposed to returning to an old one.

But you knew these things of course.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
June 01 2011 12:13 GMT
#1112
On June 01 2011 20:17 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 19:17 Monzterg wrote:
On June 01 2011 19:09 ThunderGod wrote:
On June 01 2011 18:47 Monzterg wrote:
Starcraft 2 has to be the most disapointing sequel in the history of PC games. Hopefully this expansion can change some of that.

It sure doesnt look that way tho, looks worse and worse....

Also why have the official trailers and in-game movies become so bad? It's just not manly or cool at all any more....

Yes the single-player is laughably bad: ahahahaha.
It's obviously not designed to appeal to the likes of teamliquid members - more like they were thinking of their eight-year-old kids.
SC1 had a lot more depth and maturity to it. SC2 has about as much depth as Justin Bieber's voice.



Yea the fact that Starcraft 2 is the Justin Bieber version of Brood War also really diminishes the status the great players get.

I feel like "Woho you've become one of the best Starcraft 2 players in the world? Congratulations you have now retained a status compareable with a real pokemon grandmaster!!"


I used to be a hardcore fan. I grinded ICCup, watched all the proleague, MSL and OSL matches I could on a daily basis.

I'm so sad

BW was still there last time I checked. If it was by far the superior game, people would play it instead.


I agree, there's nothing stopping players from playing BW right now.

Also, I hate that people use Pokemon in vein (Pikachu = Jesus fyi)...it has a competitive scene that revolves around one of the most tactical strategic games I've ever played. It is simple in its complexity and that's why people hate on it (also because it's a kid's cartoon), but at a high level it's the ultimate game of mindgames and deception. Of course, it has to be balanced by the competitive community because the cartridge games are super unbalanced, but yeah. Just saying I wish people would use something else to compare with.

More on topic, the story looks super terrible in relation to WoL...well, we gave up everything to free Kerrigan...now she's regaining her powers over the swarm and everything was a damned waste of time...yay...
bubusls
Profile Joined March 2010
Romania61 Posts
June 01 2011 12:25 GMT
#1113
Hm, but will there be incompatibilities between players who didn't buy HotS yet ? I mean, if you don't have the expansion, you can't get the new units, so you can't play the updated multiplayer. So WoL is useless without HotS, meaning everybody is forced to buy every game. Or will you still have a multiplayer guarantee with WoL ?
Could I use the term " lings " to refer to ducklings ?
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
June 01 2011 12:28 GMT
#1114
On June 01 2011 21:25 bubusls wrote:
Hm, but will there be incompatibilities between players who didn't buy HotS yet ? I mean, if you don't have the expansion, you can't get the new units, so you can't play the updated multiplayer. So WoL is useless without HotS, meaning everybody is forced to buy every game. Or will you still have a multiplayer guarantee with WoL ?


If you have wings of liberty you can play the wings of liberty multiplayer, but not the HotS multiplayer.

If you want to play the HotS multiplayer, you need to buy HotS.

Result: 2 different ladders: the WoL ladder and the HotS ladder.
norterrible
Profile Joined October 2009
United States618 Posts
June 01 2011 12:28 GMT
#1115
On June 01 2011 20:23 Hekisui wrote:
How much longer will it take until people realize Blizzard isn't by far the best game dev but actually a below average one?


Yeah all those other great game devs out there making amazing RTS games....
kekeke
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
June 01 2011 12:36 GMT
#1116
On June 01 2011 21:13 Ruscour wrote:
More on topic, the story looks super terrible in relation to WoL...well, we gave up everything to free Kerrigan...now she's regaining her powers over the swarm and everything was a damned waste of time...yay...


If HoTS started up, and the opening cutscene revealed that the entire WoL campaign was a bad dream, I could not be happier. The multiplayer in SC2 is fun. I enjoy following the GSL/TSL/other smaller tournaments... I enjoy playing on ladder - the matchmaking is excellent, the possibility for improvement is there, the custom maps are coming, multiplayer is FINE imo.

The single player was a nightmare. The thing that drew me into sc1 and BW was at first, the gameplay. I was ten (ish) and I'd have played any RTS game back then and loved it. The thing that brings me BACK to BW every two years or so to play through the campaign is not the difficulty, the mechanics, or the things that most of TL complains about, but the story. It's EPIC. The characters are deep. They have personalities, motivations, aspirations, a life of their own. Go play through the sc1 campaign - compare that raynor to the WoL Raynor. Play BW again, and compare the old mengsk to the new one. Compare the overmind, or Duran and Kerrigan to.... whatever villain we have in WoL. The Hybrids? I guess?

Fire your writers. I don't care if you get the old guys back - I don't care if you have the guys who're writing the books do the story, I don't care if you hire some fanfiction writer. I just want a storyline that stands up to the footsteps BW left us.
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 12:37:06
June 01 2011 12:36 GMT
#1117
On June 01 2011 20:23 Hekisui wrote:
How much longer will it take until people realize Blizzard isn't by far the best game dev but actually a below average one?


I have to disagree. What was the last RTS with decent balance and good support? All those new RTS games live maximum 1 year (newest red alert's, c&c's, etc). Starcraft 2 is much easier then starcraft 1, I agree, but that doesn't make sc2 a bad game. Imo it's better then any other RTS game (broodwar excluded ofcourse).
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1403 Posts
June 01 2011 12:39 GMT
#1118
On June 01 2011 20:23 Hekisui wrote:
They already messed up SC2 multiplayer. Dustin Browder admitted that he was clueless and wrong.

How much longer will it take until people realize Blizzard isn't by far the best game dev but actually a below average one?

Ooh and when will top SC2 players realize why they get no respect? Remember when everyone respected SC BW gamers because everyone knew SC BW was the most hardcore game to play? Well, SC2 is basically the most casual RTS played competitively. It's sad when your game is more casual than HALO.


Go back to watching your broodwar then?

I mean coming in to a thread about a SC2 expansion to bitch about SC2 is sure going to accomplish a lot eh?

Q: How much will Heart of the Swarm cost?

A: We typically don't provide details about pricing until the game is closer to release. We do view Heart of the Swarm as an expansion set, so for the regions that have a standard box business model such as North America and Europe, we will price accordingly.


Glad to hear that.

Thanks for the preview write-up TL staff!
MrASAP
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom63 Posts
June 01 2011 12:51 GMT
#1119
looks awsome
HunterFire
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1 Post
June 01 2011 13:07 GMT
#1120
This is super cool for all the zerg players, hope some of the skill will update to multi-player.
But what i wish and hope is this will not cost us or not much, due we get SC2 with expensive price.
KL
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