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ArYeS
Profile Joined June 2010
Slovenia268 Posts
May 27 2011 14:28 GMT
#41
Seems fair to me too. First of all this feature should be ingame for people with two monitors.
And we all don't have same resolution monitors, so that helps those who have two monitors instead.

I really don't see problem in this matter, and no, you wont get banned.
rbkl
Profile Joined March 2010
772 Posts
May 27 2011 14:28 GMT
#42
I dont think the OP deserves all of the hate from this thread lol. He clearly cares about what the community thinks, otherwise he wouldn't have brought it up in the first place. In my opinion, the setup is very creative for something that isn't very easy to see in the first place.

With that being said, it may work on ladder, but you will be excommunicated if you ever go to a lan setting with that setup. My suggestion is to practice without it so that you just get yourself used to the smaller minimap. It's MINI map for a reason =].


Honestly, if you play a DotA / HoN / LoL game, those really train you to be minimap aware.
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WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
May 27 2011 14:30 GMT
#43
yeah thats not fair lol, its still a cool idea, and i honestly wish the minimap was slightly larger anyways... 2v2 and 3v3 games is hard to spot everything on the bigger maps.
SixTwo
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands68 Posts
May 27 2011 14:31 GMT
#44
About cheating, Supreme Commander has an option to turn your second monitor into a minimap, essentially your whole second monitor is your minimap, Those that do not own a second monitor couldn't use that feature and had to do with the standard minimap. The same thing is going on here, it's definitely not cheating.
neo_sporin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States516 Posts
May 27 2011 14:35 GMT
#45
While i agree with most of the sentiment here regarding "its not "cheating" but youre still an ass for doing it.

IMHO one should not use other software(drivers dont count if needed to make a mouse/keyboard worl) than starcraft itself when playing. All keybinding can be done within starcraft as well as graphics setting, etc. When you start telling people the method involves downloading a program, thats where it starts to get reaaaaally iffy. Any program that effectively makes an easier (or even just different) playing experience will not be tolerated by any playing organizations.

So yea, you wont get banned by blizzard, it is not "fair" by competitive standards, but really with the amount of hackers there are out there this is minimally bad.
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
May 27 2011 14:36 GMT
#46
I don't see how it's unfair, it's not adding any new information
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Kazang
Profile Joined August 2010
578 Posts
May 27 2011 14:37 GMT
#47
No it's not "fair" but it doesn't matter unless you are planning on being pro, in which case using it would be a bad idea as it would hinder you long term.

It should be built into the game anyway, why the hell blizzard choose to keep the tiny minimap size that was appropriate in 1998 for use on 1024x768 screens is confusing to me.
ForgottenOne
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania236 Posts
May 27 2011 14:40 GMT
#48
If you have bad eyes just go to the eye specialist and/or buy a bigger monitor.

It's not unethical nor is it unfair, even if you feel it is helping you play better. And the reason is that it actually doesn't provide you with more information than otherwise nor it helps you in other way more than the mini map helps a normal player.

A normal player has normal eyes which have the ability to clearly see everything that happens on the mini map. So not the size of the mini map is essential but the quantity and quality of the information you get from it. And the only thing that really weighs in this is remembering to look at the mini map.
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loxlo
Profile Joined August 2010
85 Posts
May 27 2011 14:43 GMT
#49
On May 27 2011 23:31 SixTwo wrote:
About cheating, Supreme Commander has an option to turn your second monitor into a minimap, essentially your whole second monitor is your minimap, Those that do not own a second monitor couldn't use that feature and had to do with the standard minimap. The same thing is going on here, it's definitely not cheating.


Huh. Time to reinstall that game (now that I do have a second monitor)

Also I think World in Conflict had a similar option.
Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
May 27 2011 14:45 GMT
#50
Is it cheating? No.
Is it fair? Yes. (you don't like people having that "advantage", then get your own)
Will I suddenly rise 3 ranks because I have this? No.
Do I plan on winning MLG with my new-found minimap skills? No.
Would I do this if I had problems watching the minimap? Heck to the farking yes I would.

Wtf is up with your people? The advantage gained is minimal. If you need this in the first place, then you aren't exactly a big LAN threat. It's a cool way to utilize a second monitor.

Heck, I wish i'd thought of it, and will probably set this up. I have no intention of going to LANs, I play for fun, and have only gold to diamond rankings in every gametype.
akaname
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom599 Posts
May 27 2011 14:45 GMT
#51
Hmm it seems unfair, BUT when I'm playing with friends visiting we'll often advise each other while playing ladder games ("Maynard your workers", "have you started getting your upgrades", etc) and I'm sure this helps more than double minimap... But I've never considered THaT cheating...
There can be only none
julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
May 27 2011 14:45 GMT
#52
I think Heart of the Swarm should have an option to make the minimap bigger when you press a button.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
RoarMan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada745 Posts
May 27 2011 14:51 GMT
#53
On May 27 2011 23:36 ffadicted wrote:
I don't see how it's unfair, it's not adding any new information

Yea I agree. I mean of course I wouldn't encourage anyone to get used to doing this as dual monitors is not common practice at LANs.
All the pros got dat Ichie.
teedee
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom15 Posts
May 27 2011 14:52 GMT
#54
I don't think this is unfair, its a creative use of your second monitor. There are plenty of little tricks people can do that give an advantage. One suggested by Day9 was to have a song playing at the start of every game, the timings of the song allow you to know what time to expect certain pushes or when to do certain things.

This requires another program - an audio player but is hardly cheating..
sereniity
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Sweden1159 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 14:54:06
May 27 2011 14:53 GMT
#55
On May 27 2011 23:23 TheAuditor wrote:
How is this not fair? How is using your resources available to get every advantage unfair?

Is it unfair that I have a superior mechanical keyboard and a better mouse than people I ladder against? No it's not. They have the same capacity as I (as a player of the game) to go buy the superior product to help improve their game. This is the exact same reasons.

Is it unfair that I can change my in game settings to help me view cloaked units better, while someone else must play on low in ordre to play? No it isn't, because they can go buy a better computer in order to do the same thing.

This is exactly the same reasoning and thought process. It is FAIR because I am the one playing the game against my opponent. This may help play the game, but it doesn't play the game for me. Its the same reasoning and logic of a new mouse/keyboard. They help improve playing the game but they don't play the game for you. You still have to go out and play the game in order to get results.

Now, is it unethical? Who dictates ethics, the community or the TOS/game itself? Is this cheating? No it is using resources available to the user. I don't view that as unethical at all.

You can't use this at LAN tournaments? What about ones where you BYOC and there is no limit on monitors/space. If the tournament doesn't explicitly say you can not have more than one monitor, then you are welcome to bring two and use this program.

Is it unethical in the community sense? That's for the community to decide. One isn't required to say GG after every game, and they don't have to say GL HF GG, etc in the beginning of the game. It is in their best interest to, because when invites go out for tournaments, they are more likely to choose players without a bad rep. EX: CombatEx. Why doesn't he get invited to any lower tier tournaments? Probably his reputation, however he plays the game according to the rules setforth by Blizzard and Battle.net and he has success with them.


The thing is, there's no option to increase the minimap size, blizz intended it to be the size it is, and they don't want it changed.

Anyone can go buy a new keyboard or mouse, that's something outside of the game, however everybody doesn't have the knowledge of how to do this minimap trick, nor is it allowed since blizzard does NOT want you to increase the size of the minimap, if they would want you to do so then they'd make an in-game option for it.


Basically, buying a mouse or a keyboard is your own choice, it's gaming GEAR, it doesn't affect any in-game options.

Getting another monitor, linking it to your computer and setting up an important part of the game ON THAT OTHER MONITOR and then increasnig the SIZE of it (when it is clearly intended to not be increased) is, and should be against the rules.

Besides that, this will only make you play worse if you're at a LAN with some friends or a netcafé, just seems stupid. Personally I wouldn't mind if I played versus someone with this but I guess it's ALOT easier to spot drops with this wich is kind of unfair.
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dani`
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands2402 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 14:56:28
May 27 2011 14:54 GMT
#56
On May 27 2011 23:45 akaname wrote:
Hmm it seems unfair, BUT when I'm playing with friends visiting we'll often advise each other while playing ladder games ("Maynard your workers", "have you started getting your upgrades", etc) and I'm sure this helps more than double minimap... But I've never considered THaT cheating...

That's actually much more cheating than increasing the size of the minimap slightly in my opinion. The increased minimap does not really help you all that much, I think the advantage can be pretty much neglected. Yeah sure dropships are bigger as well so you might see it easier, but you also have to look much further away so you might actually miss other information.

Advice from friends like 'hey there was an invisible Banshee there!' or 'maybe use your Forge to upgrade finally?' has a bigger influence on your play. Without the information, you might lose the game because you did not pay attention yourself. So using your friends' information is also a form of cheating, but it's obviously not something that be controlled so it's up to the player.
DerNebel
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark648 Posts
May 27 2011 14:57 GMT
#57
Well, if you have trouble seeing the minimap on your setup, then why not?

It is not like it gives you more information that you normally would, and you actually have to move your eyes/head more to see this minimap. And I don't think Blizz can or will ban you for doing this, it's not maphacking or anything.

Personally can't see where this is unethical, your money and setup.
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
May 27 2011 15:02 GMT
#58
I personally wouldn't do it, because I care about getting better at the game. But you wont get banned for it.
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
May 27 2011 15:03 GMT
#59
Eh, up to you. If you want to be a better competitive player I wouldn't do it. If you don't care and just ladder casually why not I guess.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
fatkid
Profile Joined August 2010
United States62 Posts
May 27 2011 15:04 GMT
#60
It's absolutely fair, it'd be like me complaining about people with widescreens since they have more fov while I'm stuck playing 1280x1024.

He has a second monitor, other people have better monitors then me. Does it bother me ? Absolutely not.
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