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On May 07 2011 07:28 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 07:19 Teliko wrote:On May 07 2011 07:14 KoKoRo wrote:On May 07 2011 07:11 blackone wrote:On May 07 2011 06:58 KoKoRo wrote:
Cheating to gain an advantage will get you banned.
Fun to have things or more visually pleasing will not. You can get an advantage by just changing visuals. In WoW people would change the model of mining nodes to Ragnaros, so they could see them from far away. In SC2 you could let the Ghost use the Ultralisk model so it would be easier to spot and feedback them in the middle of a bio ball. Model changing can clearly be a bannable offense. I'm pretty sure both of what you listed is cheating to gain an advantage. I'm talking about texture edits when it comes to visually pleasing. The "Fun to have part" is always on the iffy spot. This in a nutshell. Read KoKoRos post more carefully, blackone. What you describe blatantly provides an advantage over other players, the exact opposite to what KoKoRo was saying would be safe. That's a misunderstanding, I didn't mean to compare the two things or say that having your ghost be a nova is cheating, I just tried to explain that a purely visual change can still provide an unfair advantage.
Yeah, I edited my post.
If you can click the Ultralisk Ghost from anywhere but where the Ghost Model should be then it'd be cheating. If you had to click the Ultralisk Ghost in the same spot as where the ghost would be in order to click it, it wouldn't be cheating. It'd just be easier for you to see and would still obstruct the view of the units around it. Which can mess with you more than it helps you.
But yes, Blizzard frowns upon Model editing(as in certain cases helps you or causes you more problems than it solves) and doesn't really care for texture edits.
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On May 07 2011 07:34 KoKoRo wrote:If you had to click the Ultralisk Ghost in the same spot as where the ghost would be in order to click it, it wouldn't be cheating. It'd just be easier for you to see and would still obstruct the view of the units around it. Which can mess with you more than it helps you.
Ok the difference is, I think it would be cheating nevertheless. You're getting an advantage by being able to see them more easily than the game engine would allow without modification.
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This mod will make terran use more ghost than 150/150 change to 200/100 in next Patch. Blizzard should change ghosts to females.
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Although I really like the way Nova looks in the place of the ghost I don't want to risk getting an account banned, also cool background in your sc2 main menu, I've also heard you can possibly get into trouble with that as well. Even if nobody ever gets in trouble with those things I personally wont risk it, but nonetheless gj on finding out how and giving everyone something to think about. 
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On May 07 2011 07:36 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 07:34 KoKoRo wrote:If you had to click the Ultralisk Ghost in the same spot as where the ghost would be in order to click it, it wouldn't be cheating. It'd just be easier for you to see and would still obstruct the view of the units around it. Which can mess with you more than it helps you. Ok the difference is, I think it would be cheating nevertheless. You're getting an advantage by being able to see them more easily than the game engine would allow without modification.
That's usually the case when you misuse/abuse model editing.
But most of the texture editing, changing important units to bright flashy colors, don't really give you an advantage just because you can personally see them better.
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On May 07 2011 07:28 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 07:19 Teliko wrote:On May 07 2011 07:14 KoKoRo wrote:On May 07 2011 07:11 blackone wrote:On May 07 2011 06:58 KoKoRo wrote:
Cheating to gain an advantage will get you banned.
Fun to have things or more visually pleasing will not. You can get an advantage by just changing visuals. In WoW people would change the model of mining nodes to Ragnaros, so they could see them from far away. In SC2 you could let the Ghost use the Ultralisk model so it would be easier to spot and feedback them in the middle of a bio ball. Model changing can clearly be a bannable offense. I'm pretty sure both of what you listed is cheating to gain an advantage. I'm talking about texture edits when it comes to visually pleasing. The "Fun to have part" is always on the iffy spot. This in a nutshell. Read KoKoRos post more carefully, blackone. What you describe blatantly provides an advantage over other players, the exact opposite to what KoKoRo was saying would be safe. That's a misunderstanding, I didn't mean to compare the two things or say that having your ghost be a nova is cheating, I just tried to explain that a purely visual change can still provide an unfair advantage. I was quoting KoKoRos because his examples for something that would get you banned were all implicating that you get an advantage by changing models in a way that changes their behavior and I wanted to add that this is not necessary for something to be banworthy. Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 07:19 Teliko wrote:On May 07 2011 07:17 blackone wrote:Addition: The Battle.net Terms of Service state the following (Point 2) You agree that you will not, under any circumstances: (...) 2.7 modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of any Game or the Service in any way not expressly authorized by Blizzard http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/about/termsofuse.html If someone downloads this, how are they modifying Blizzards files? They're putting more files into the SC2 directory. At no point are Blizzards files interfered with. The files they download are modified files from the game, aren't they? Anyways, I'm not sure if this is a violation of the ToS or not, but I think it could be interpreted as one and I recommend not risking your account for some cute visuals.
I'm aware that's it's possible for someone to make an exploit out of model editing if they so choose, but I'm not providing anything that does such a thing. I'm not disagreeing with you that it is possible to be exploited, but this change doesn't do anything of the sort.
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On May 07 2011 07:38 Xkalibert wrote:
This mod will make terran use more ghost than 150/150 change to 200/100 in next Patch. Blizzard should change ghosts to females.
so true:>
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idk about this one I think I've done enough Wallpaper editing, I think this is too much for me hahaha, Though it's definitely cool
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On May 07 2011 07:29 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 07:18 corpuscle wrote:
I don't know if people got banned for it, but I know that Blizzard definitely frowned upon model-editing in WoW, even if it wasn't something that affected gameplay. They delete any thread discussing the subject on their official forums, which kind of makes me think it's not allowed. In the same sense that casinos don't like card counters.
And being caught card counting, or even being suspected of it will get you kicked out and possibly banned, I was removed from a Casino in London for this very reason.... I was winning at blackjack too much, they knew I was using a system of some kind. I use a +- system that i can do in my head to help me work out whether i should hit or not once over 11.
Luckily, since card counting is only technically illegal when you use a mechanical aid or a second person, I was politely asked to cash out and left without any trouble.
On topic,
Modifying files can mean simply adding files to the directory, it means whatever blizz decides it means. What if I make the HT's model really stand out in a ball? that gives me an advantage, this is why modding models is a grey area, some mods aren't gonna give you an advantage, but the same process could make things much easier for you if so wished to cheat.
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On May 07 2011 06:41 Backpack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 06:38 holynorth wrote:
So now people are going to going to edit the colors of key units. Ghosts will be a neon green, high templars a bright pink, so they stand out and are easily hit with feedback/emp. Or just change the DT model to an Ultralisk...
Someone please make a guide on how to turn Zerglings into Ultralisks.
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That's usually the case when you misuse/abuse model editing.
But most of the texture editing, changing important units to bright flashy colors, don't really give you an advantage just because you can personally see them better.
huh? let me try to wrap my brain around what you just said.
if you see something one way then change something so you now see something "better" then by definition you have an advantage.. you said it yourself. you see it BETTER!!!!
EDIT: this is an extremely slippery slope, i cant imagine Blizzard would create such a grey area with regards to editing/replacing their game models. best to just not allow any of it and ban anyone who does anything like this regardless if it for personal preference or to purposefully gain an advantage. either way you spin it, you get an advantage.
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On May 07 2011 06:41 Existor wrote:Of course, maybe because peoples used that for take faster any achievement, or win the game, or maphack ?
I was talking about modelchanging obviously, not any hack.
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On May 07 2011 06:16 HolyArrow wrote:
I lol'd at the Boxxy menu background.
me too, but at the same time i want it!!! How i get it haha
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On May 07 2011 07:56 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 06:41 Existor wrote:Wierd, it definitly was in Wow. Of course, maybe because peoples used that for take faster any achievement, or win the game, or maphack ? I was talking about modelchanging obviously, not any hack.
His point is that they were model edits designed for exploiting, not personal appeal.
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what happens to unit collision if you replace a ghost with a thor model?
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On May 07 2011 07:52 Artimo wrote:Show nested quote +That's usually the case when you misuse/abuse model editing.
But most of the texture editing, changing important units to bright flashy colors, don't really give you an advantage just because you can personally see them better. huh? let me try to wrap my brain around what you just said. if you see something one way then change something so you now see something "better" then by definition you have an advantage.. you said it yourself. you see it BETTER!!!!
It doesn't give you an advantage flat out. I can see Ghosts/HTs fine without texture editing. Why can't you? Do I have an advantage because I can see Ghosts/HTs without texture editing?
EDIT: In grade school in computer class they put rubber over the keyboard so we'd learn to type without looking at the keys. Now the rubber is gone and I don't have to look at the keyboard to see the keys. This is not an advantage, it's muscle memory.
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On May 07 2011 07:59 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 07:52 Artimo wrote:That's usually the case when you misuse/abuse model editing.
But most of the texture editing, changing important units to bright flashy colors, don't really give you an advantage just because you can personally see them better. huh? let me try to wrap my brain around what you just said. if you see something one way then change something so you now see something "better" then by definition you have an advantage.. you said it yourself. you see it BETTER!!!! It doesn't give you an advantage flat out. I can see Ghosts/HTs fine without texture editing. Why can't you? Do I have an advantage because I can see Ghosts/HTs without texture editing? EDIT: In grade school in computer class they put rubber over the keyboard so we'd learn to type without looking at the keys. Now the rubber is gone and I don't have to look at the keyboard to see the keys. This is not an advantage, it's muscle memory.
I'm not sure how to respond to this without getting banned, so i will remove myself from this conversation.
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On May 07 2011 07:58 stanik wrote:
what happens to unit collision if you replace a ghost with a thor model?
No difference to the ghosts collision radius.
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Pretty friggin sexy
How'd you change the start menu into nova? could we get a copy of that file and what to replace please and thx
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On May 07 2011 07:59 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 07:52 Artimo wrote:That's usually the case when you misuse/abuse model editing.
But most of the texture editing, changing important units to bright flashy colors, don't really give you an advantage just because you can personally see them better. huh? let me try to wrap my brain around what you just said. if you see something one way then change something so you now see something "better" then by definition you have an advantage.. you said it yourself. you see it BETTER!!!! It doesn't give you an advantage flat out. I can see Ghosts/HTs fine without texture editing. Why can't you? Do I have an advantage because I can see Ghosts/HTs without texture editing? EDIT: In grade school in computer class they put rubber over the keyboard so we'd learn to type without looking at the keys. Now the rubber is gone and I don't have to look at the keyboard to see the keys. This is not an advantage, it's muscle memory.
Your argument makes absolutely zero sense.
it does not matter if you can see it fine without editing, that is not the point.
The point is you can see it BETTER with model editing.
I seen this shit happen in back in world of warcraft.
It starts with small edits like loading screens. goes back to some worse stuff like changing your race for visual appeal and at that point there WILL be people who abuse it and make it bannable.
I don't even see what you are trying to proof with the keyboard typing example...
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