What I'd like to see before people declare false information as fact is just some tiny effort on their part to even confirm the nonsense they continue to spout. For example, no one can seem to link me where Incontrol or JP said incontrol was leaving and money WAS NOT in any way a motivating factor. Hell they can't even link to a tangent source like scoots saying this. All we got was an image from scoots telling incontrol there is no problem with him being on SOTG as a guest.
I don't recall where the making fun of conspiracy theorists part is, it was on a show I think in response to a caller but I can't remember which one. I did find part of what people are complaining about though just to give you some perspective.
If you look at http://www.onemoregame.tv/index.php/archive/lo3/item/137-lo3-073.html at around 55 minutes, Scoots basically says he doesn't want to answer questions about the situation and it is what is, then Wheat goes into a rant making fun of anyone who thinks Incontrol left because of money reasons by presenting a ridiculous and funny exaggerated example of it with Scoots sitting there the whole time.
To be fair in that segment Scoots said nothing wrong, and Wheat has professed to not having any prior knowledge of the situation so it is unfair to attack him on what he said there. The part some may find irritating is Scoots sitting on the call basically letting Wheat make fun of people who thought it was about the money.
Personally though I feel this issue was pretty much over when Alex came on the show yesterday, they cleared the air and told us what happened that is really all I and I think most people wanted at that point.
But that whole thing is on Wheat not Scoots. And what's scoots gonna say to wheat anyway? If he shushes him it's going to look awkward, scoots did the right thing by letting wheat say whatever he wanted to say on the show that wheat hosts.
You don't often see shows where guests correct the host.
All this does is further prove that EG didn't lie about anything, that EG took the high road like they were supposed to do, and people made up crazy crap anyway to suit who they felt should be the bad guy.
There should be a lot more people than there is doing a 180 on how they feel about EG but they aren't because, and I hate to keep repeating myself, certain people in the community love to demonize and galvanize folks in a negative way toward a company that we actually benefit from having around. Directly or indirectly.
So I think EG as an organization earned a lot of respect from the folks in the community capable of discerning the truth through all the muck. Not only that, but it takes a lot of guts to go on a show, be called into the spotlight, and actually reveal behind the scenes details. That isn't easy. It's a delicate dance that can easily backfire. But they did it anyway. It's safe to say that at this point there is nothing humorous about how EG runs their business side of things.
You defend EG like they pay you or something. They went to explain only after a shitstorm brewed from the screenshots of Incontrols stream, they let Wheat jokes about Inc leaving due to money yet it was true etc. I think that their PR image after all this is pretty low in the eyes of alot of people, regardless of how you try to convince everyone that they are the good guys and how they do everything right in every regard.
So just because I have something nice to say about EG and I have given my reasoning behind that, all the sudden I'm on the pay roll? I wish it were that easy.
Hey scoots and Alex, I guess I should send you my resume and contact info! I'm available any time =D
Just wanted to say that it's really boring to see everybody talking about the growth of "e-sport". I have never seen e-sport like some other sport that would instantly grow if you let the level of play and the different media grow (which mean just pure $$$). If that's your idea of e-sport then I think you're in the wrong forum and you are in fact the kind of people that would eventually ruin e-sport.
Just look at reality: what makes e-sport so amazing is not only the skills displayed in game, but also (and maybe that's the most important part of e-sport) all the community, and the individuals that makes e-sport, with their own personnalities, all the thing they share through their passion and all the atmosphere/drama that they display when they are together, fighting in the game and smiling outside the game (most of the time).
If you think everything should be possible for e-sport as a business to grow, then in a few years e-sport will just be shit and nothing else, because what makes it good is not $$$, nor the babe that gives out the check in ESL, nor anything of that sort. The Home Story Cup should have, at least, made you understand that.
And that's why so many people are mad about EG, because until that, we still lived in the dream that e-sport was our house, friendly and shit, and now people are just crushing this friendship for the sole purpose of weird product placement and money. I think it could be possible for money to grow while still keeping this friendly aura that e-sports have.
switching to a different and better topic. I remember Incontrol implying that they were recruiting for the house... I wonder when they are going to be starting this recruiting process, and who is on their list.
On July 01 2011 01:32 WhiteDog wrote: Just wanted to say that it's really boring to see everybody talking about the growth of "e-sport". I have never seen e-sport like some other sport that would instantly grow if you let the level of play and the different media grow (which mean just pure $$$). If that's your idea of e-sport then I think you're in the wrong forum and you are in fact the kind of people that would eventually ruin e-sport.
Just look at reality: what makes e-sport so amazing is not only the skills displayed in game, but also (and maybe that's the most important part of e-sport) all the community, and the individuals that makes e-sport, with their own personnalities, all the thing they share through their passion and all the atmosphere/drama that they display when they are together, fighting in the game and smiling outside the game (most of the time).
If you think everything should be possible for e-sport as a business to grow, then in a few years e-sport will just be shit and nothing else, because what makes it good is not $$$, nor the babe that gives out the check in ESL, nor anything of that sort. The Home Story Cup should have, at least, made you understand that.
And that's why so many people are mad about EG, because until that, we still lived in the dream that e-sport was our house, friendly and shit, and now people are just crushing this friendship for the sole purpose of weird product placement and money. I think it could be possible for money to grow while still keeping this friendly aura that e-sports have.
My understanding of the growth of E-sports is that the main step is the acceptance of the general populace. While this acceptance may not exactly come from the monetary success of esports, it is definitely correlated.
The general depiction of a gamer is some slob that sits in his moms basement, ignores his girlfriend and swears profusely at a monitor while making violent gestures overall. To show someone that is unfamilier with E-sports a picture and biography of Tom (t^2) taylor, they would call him the exception, not the rule. While this is true, it is something that the entire community is trying to change. If you have players in america that make over 40k a year (fairly average salary for journeymen in their field) and have good hygiene, ability to talk with people, a gf that they pay attention to, and a control over their anger- this would be the start of a successful gaming sport. Think of Korea, top gamers take care of themselves, are loved by the community and give e-sports a great name.
The community looks at the passion for the game as a persons greatest asset. They look at skill, but know that the top x placings is acceptable, not just the #1.
On July 01 2011 01:37 ixi.genocide wrote: switching to a different and better topic. I remember Incontrol implying that they were recruiting for the house... I wonder when they are going to be starting this recruiting process, and who is on their list.
On July 01 2011 01:32 WhiteDog wrote: Just wanted to say that it's really boring to see everybody talking about the growth of "e-sport". I have never seen e-sport like some other sport that would instantly grow if you let the level of play and the different media grow (which mean just pure $$$). If that's your idea of e-sport then I think you're in the wrong forum and you are in fact the kind of people that would eventually ruin e-sport.
Just look at reality: what makes e-sport so amazing is not only the skills displayed in game, but also (and maybe that's the most important part of e-sport) all the community, and the individuals that makes e-sport, with their own personnalities, all the thing they share through their passion and all the atmosphere/drama that they display when they are together, fighting in the game and smiling outside the game (most of the time).
If you think everything should be possible for e-sport as a business to grow, then in a few years e-sport will just be shit and nothing else, because what makes it good is not $$$, nor the babe that gives out the check in ESL, nor anything of that sort. The Home Story Cup should have, at least, made you understand that.
And that's why so many people are mad about EG, because until that, we still lived in the dream that e-sport was our house, friendly and shit, and now people are just crushing this friendship for the sole purpose of weird product placement and money. I think it could be possible for money to grow while still keeping this friendly aura that e-sports have.
My understanding of the growth of E-sports is that the main step is the acceptance of the general populace. While this acceptance may not exactly come from the monetary success of esports, it is definitely correlated.
The general depiction of a gamer is some slob that sits in his moms basement, ignores his girlfriend and swears profusely at a monitor while making violent gestures overall. To show someone that is unfamilier with E-sports a picture and biography of Tom (t^2) taylor, they would call him the exception, not the rule. While this is true, it is something that the entire community is trying to change. If you have players in america that make over 40k a year (fairly average salary for journeymen in their field) and have good hygiene, ability to talk with people, a gf that they pay attention to, and a control over their anger- this would be the start of a successful gaming sport. Think of Korea, top gamers take care of themselves, are loved by the community and give e-sports a great name.
The community looks at the passion for the game as a persons greatest asset. They look at skill, but know that the top x placings is acceptable, not just the #1.
But the day you have that kind of perfect player, that gives away no emotion, nothing of his personnality, then e-sport, our community, will lose the taste it had when SC1 was out: a bunch of guys giving their all for their passion. The community look at skill and passion for the game yes, but the community does not live because of those things. You can have all the skill and all the money you want, everybody will still prefer a little tourney like Homestory Cup, where you see everyone doing their thing, talking and smiling, coming to present a match and eating hamburgers like bosses.
I'm not saying all the tourney should be this way at all, just to clarify, just saying this kind of tourney could lead us to understand what is so good about watching video games and not playing it.
On July 01 2011 01:32 WhiteDog wrote: Just wanted to say that it's really boring to see everybody talking about the growth of "e-sport". I have never seen e-sport like some other sport that would instantly grow if you let the level of play and the different media grow (which mean just pure $$$). If that's your idea of e-sport then I think you're in the wrong forum and you are in fact the kind of people that would eventually ruin e-sport.
Just look at reality: what makes e-sport so amazing is not only the skills displayed in game, but also (and maybe that's the most important part of e-sport) all the community, and the individuals that makes e-sport, with their own personnalities, all the thing they share through their passion and all the atmosphere/drama that they display when they are together, fighting in the game and smiling outside the game (most of the time).
If you think everything should be possible for e-sport as a business to grow, then in a few years e-sport will just be shit and nothing else, because what makes it good is not $$$, nor the babe that gives out the check in ESL, nor anything of that sort. The Home Story Cup should have, at least, made you understand that.
And that's why so many people are mad about EG, because until that, we still lived in the dream that e-sport was our house, friendly and shit, and now people are just crushing this friendship for the sole purpose of weird product placement and money. I think it could be possible for money to grow while still keeping this friendly aura that e-sports have.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Take also has to pay his bills. What looked all nice and comfy and shit during HSC III cost him 50k € out of his own pocket. He took a debt to rent the apartement, pay renovation and installments, broadcasting equiptment. He heavily relied on corporate sponsors, that provided him with screens and laptops worth dozens of thousands of euros. He is self-employed now, but maintains a strong relationship with his former employer ESL, since he has to feed himself somehow during the rest of the year, when there is no HSC.
It's really two-faced to complain about loosing the grass-roots feel and demand top-notch entertainment at the same time. HD-streams, impeccable production, player accomodation, salaries, team houses, travel expenses. Stream ads can't even cover a fraction of that.
People are defending EG solely based upon the fact that even until now the mob has been unable to provide factual evidence of alleged "lies". It was all but sentiments, personal interpretations and assumptions. As a fact at the time Geoff declared his departure from SotG the inital sponsorship conflict didn't even exist anymore. Please go ahead and prove otherwise.
On July 01 2011 01:32 WhiteDog wrote: Just wanted to say that it's really boring to see everybody talking about the growth of "e-sport". I have never seen e-sport like some other sport that would instantly grow if you let the level of play and the different media grow (which mean just pure $$$). If that's your idea of e-sport then I think you're in the wrong forum and you are in fact the kind of people that would eventually ruin e-sport.
Just look at reality: what makes e-sport so amazing is not only the skills displayed in game, but also (and maybe that's the most important part of e-sport) all the community, and the individuals that makes e-sport, with their own personnalities, all the thing they share through their passion and all the atmosphere/drama that they display when they are together, fighting in the game and smiling outside the game (most of the time).
If you think everything should be possible for e-sport as a business to grow, then in a few years e-sport will just be shit and nothing else, because what makes it good is not $$$, nor the babe that gives out the check in ESL, nor anything of that sort. The Home Story Cup should have, at least, made you understand that.
And that's why so many people are mad about EG, because until that, we still lived in the dream that e-sport was our house, friendly and shit, and now people are just crushing this friendship for the sole purpose of weird product placement and money. I think it could be possible for money to grow while still keeping this friendly aura that e-sports have.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Take also has to pay his bills. What looked all nice and comfy and shit during HSC III cost him 50k € out of his own pocket. He took a debt to rent the apartement, pay renovation and installments, broadcasting equiptment. He heavily relied on corporate sponsors, that provided him with screens and laptops worth dozens of thousands of euros. He is self-employed now, but maintains a strong relationship with his former employer ESL, since he has to feed himself somehow during the rest of the year, when there is no HSC.
It's really two-faced to complain about loosing the grass-roots feel and demand top-notch entertainment at the same time. HD-streams, impeccable production, player accomodation, salaries, team houses, travel expenses. Stream ads can't even cover a fraction of that.
People are defending EG solely based upon the fact that even until now the mob has been unable to provide factual evidence of alleged "lies". It was all but sentiments, personal interpretations and assumptions. As a fact at the time Geoff declared his departure from SotG the inital sponsorship conflict didn't even exist anymore. Please go ahead and prove otherwise.
I know it's hard for people like you to read and understand an argument, but I never said money is evil, I said money is not everything, and that esport is not gonna "grow" as some would like if you destroy a certain idea of community / friendship for money. Never said Homestory cup was free.
On July 01 2011 01:32 WhiteDog wrote: Just wanted to say that it's really boring to see everybody talking about the growth of "e-sport". I have never seen e-sport like some other sport that would instantly grow if you let the level of play and the different media grow (which mean just pure $$$). If that's your idea of e-sport then I think you're in the wrong forum and you are in fact the kind of people that would eventually ruin e-sport.
Just look at reality: what makes e-sport so amazing is not only the skills displayed in game, but also (and maybe that's the most important part of e-sport) all the community, and the individuals that makes e-sport, with their own personnalities, all the thing they share through their passion and all the atmosphere/drama that they display when they are together, fighting in the game and smiling outside the game (most of the time).
If you think everything should be possible for e-sport as a business to grow, then in a few years e-sport will just be shit and nothing else, because what makes it good is not $$$, nor the babe that gives out the check in ESL, nor anything of that sort. The Home Story Cup should have, at least, made you understand that.
And that's why so many people are mad about EG, because until that, we still lived in the dream that e-sport was our house, friendly and shit, and now people are just crushing this friendship for the sole purpose of weird product placement and money. I think it could be possible for money to grow while still keeping this friendly aura that e-sports have.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Take also has to pay his bills. What looked all nice and comfy and shit during HSC III cost him 50k € out of his own pocket. He took a debt to rent the apartement, pay renovation and installments, broadcasting equiptment. He heavily relied on corporate sponsors, that provided him with screens and laptops worth dozens of thousands of euros. He is self-employed now, but maintains a strong relationship with his former employer ESL, since he has to feed himself somehow during the rest of the year, when there is no HSC.
It's really two-faced to complain about loosing the grass-roots feel and demand top-notch entertainment at the same time. HD-streams, impeccable production, player accomodation, salaries, team houses, travel expenses. Stream ads can't even cover a fraction of that.
People are defending EG solely based upon the fact that even until now the mob has been unable to provide factual evidence of alleged "lies". It was all but sentiments, personal interpretations and assumptions. As a fact at the time Geoff declared his departure from SotG the inital sponsorship conflict didn't even exist anymore. Please go ahead and prove otherwise.
I know it's hard for people like you to read and understand an argument, but I never said money is evil, I said money is not everything, and that esport is not gonna "grow" as some would like if you destroy a certain idea of community / friendship for money. Never said Homestory cup was free.
Resorting to personal insults now? Except nobody "destroyed anything only for money". You contradict yourself by putting up a deflective "yeah money is not evil" whilst knowingly using strong wording like crushing, destroying. What exactly do you want to imply?
And that's why so many people are mad about EG, because until that, we still lived in the dream that e-sport was our house, friendly and shit, and now people are just crushing this friendship for the sole purpose of weird product placement and money. I think it could be possible for money to grow while still keeping this friendly aura that e-sports have.
The bolded part is purely an opinion of yours. First it was the alleged "lying" which remains unproven. Next comes your accusation of malicious, exclusively monetary intent. Keeping in mind the necessity of funding, every actor involved did their effort in order to maintain the status quo of the show. Things didn't work out, contracts that have been already signed needed to be fulfilled- decisions had to be made. So where exactly did who purposely destroy anything?
I was recently watching a VOD of Inside the Game and there was a Steelseries commercial for their line of headsets; does anyone have the name of the song being played during the commercial?
On July 07 2011 05:17 danical wrote: Please forgive my ignorance.
I was recently watching a VOD of Inside the Game and there was a Steelseries commercial for their line of headsets; does anyone have the name of the song being played during the commercial?
Big fan of the show. I've seen every episode so far and I look forward to its return. =) Thank you djWHEAT for providing this to us and of course all of his other great shows as well.
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