EPTYou know the kid in grade school who all the bullies loved to annoy because he'd melt down and freak out whenever he was teased? You're that guy.
Just walk away, dude.
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
You know the kid in grade school who all the bullies loved to annoy because he'd melt down and freak out whenever he was teased? You're that guy. Just walk away, dude. | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On June 15 2011 22:13 TotalBiscuit wrote: Please find me any caster of a sport that's existed for less than a year in it's proper form. Now there's a cop out and a bad one at that. There are lots of play by play guys who understand the game. | ||
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Forak
Netherlands64 Posts
I would argue that TB's invitational was a great success pulling the constant 20k viewers for what must've been 8 hours straight.. | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
On June 15 2011 22:12 Blasphemi wrote: Please find me an example of any mainstream sports play by play caster who understands his or her sport in as primitive a way as you do starcraft 2 Bob Costas | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On June 15 2011 22:19 Blasphemi wrote: Now there's a cop out and a bad one at that. There are lots of play by play guys who understand the game. Name one that isn't Tasteless. | ||
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Papulatus
United States669 Posts
On June 15 2011 22:13 TotalBiscuit wrote: Which should not be happening if you are doing play-by-play properly anyway so it's a non issue. If your play-by-play caster is doing analysis then your setup is wrong. Please find me any caster of a sport that's existed for less than a year in it's proper form. This has been out for less than a year and it has plenty of amazing casters who have boundless knowledge of the game. So there fore you can't bring this play by play and colour casting into this argument. The fact is, you have, on many occasions in the IPL (only time I have listened to your casting) suggested things about the game that would never happened. Things such as saying, and I'm paraphrasing, "Now a lair is coming up for the zerg. He could go mutas!". This was against a protoss. At this time, mutas were 100% unheard of in the meta game of ZvP. Sure, he could go mutas, but it just sounded stupid to anyone that actually knows anything about the metagame of ZvP. There were many other instances of this type of a failed analysis that I won't bother to cite. I have nothing against you at all. I listened to an interview of you, and I found you an enjoyable person. I can't stand your casting, but regardless, I think you're good for eSports. Your need to defend your self every time these types of critiques come up, however, is terrible for all parties involved. It's just stupid. The majority of the people flaming you don't know what they are talking about, so just ignore them. Its beginning to get to the point where every time I see you respond to one of these kids/trolls I feel sorry for you. Do you understand that many are just looking for you to respond to them? Stop feeding the trolls and soon they will begin to disappear. | ||
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wacksteven
United States139 Posts
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On June 15 2011 22:12 Blasphemi wrote: Please find me an example of any mainstream sports play by play caster who understands his or her sport in as primitive a way as you do starcraft 2 Khaldor during IEM (Winter IIRC), he was casting in German but managed to get 6k People listening to his stream--a lot of them being people who had couldn't even understand German, like me. He would only use a few English words, the unit names, buildings and command terms (baneling bust, macro/micro, etc). But despite that he had a TON of non German speakers watching his stream over the English stream EDIT: Not saying he doesn't have a good understanding of this game, just saying he was casting in a completely different language but people still tuned in. This is as primitive as you can get, you could only make out Unit names and buildings, nothing more but it was incredibly entertaining and he managed to get a HUGE following from that. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On June 15 2011 22:25 Papulatus wrote: This has been out for less than a year and it has plenty of amazing casters who have boundless knowledge of the game. So there fore you can't bring this play by play and colour casting into this argument. The fact is, you have, on many occasions in the IPL (only time I have listened to your casting) suggested things about the game that would never happened. Things such as saying, and I'm paraphrasing, "Now a lair is coming up for the zerg. He could go mutas!". This was against a protoss. At this time, mutas were 100% unheard of in the meta game of ZvP. Sure, he could go mutas, but it just sounded stupid to anyone that actually knows anything about the metagame of ZvP. There were many other instances of this type of a failed analysis that I won't bother to cite. Sure I can, solo-casting should not be happening in SC2. Of course I can bring the play-by-play and colour casting into this argument, just as a colour caster should not be expected to take the lead and do the play-by-play because he doesn't have the proper training or talent to do so, as play-by-play should not be doing analysis. This is exactly how sports works, hell, I remember one of the previous MLGs were people were whining about DJWheat. Why does he keep asking Day9 questions?!? That's because that's what a play-by-play does to the resident expert, go and read up on it. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
The point is you have an idea of what casting should sound like, they have their own opinion. By coming here and responding to each and every person you are not going to change a single opinion and you kind of end up looking foolish every time you try. They do as well but they lose nothing when you potentially turn even more viewers away every time you come here and lecture people on why they are wrong for not liking your casting. I really respect the initiative you have taken with your recent tournaments and emphasizing the need to put more money in the hands of players. It's one of the most admirable things anyone who speaks into microphones over video games has ever done. I think you would be much better received here if you didn't try to address every single critic and argue with them. I mean we're here because Idra called you awful or something. Who hasn't he called awful? Stop getting so easily baited by random people on the internet | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On June 15 2011 22:26 wacksteven wrote: Thank you goobers for completely derailing a show thread, again. -____- Talk about the show, please. I heard that Idra, on inside the game, said that TB sucks. Discuss please...  | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On June 15 2011 22:30 floor exercise wrote: TB you really need to learn to stop arguing with every single person who has a different opinion. You define video game casting in an extremely narrow way that conveniently results you being the greatest caster in your own self-defined role, you constantly reference sports (though I haven't heard a single sports caster who sounds like you) when in reality it is always going to be subjective, people are going to like who they like. The point is you have an idea of what casting should sound like, they have their own opinion. By coming here and responding to each and every person you are not going to change a single opinion and you kind of end up looking foolish every time you try. They do as well but they lose nothing when you potentially turn even more viewers away every time you come here and lecture people on why they are wrong for not liking your casting. I really respect the initiative you have taken with your recent tournaments and emphasizing the need to put more money in the hands of players. It's one of the most admirable things anyone who speaks into microphones over video games has ever done. I think you would be much better received here if you didn't try to address every single critic and argue with them. I mean we're here because Idra called you awful or something. Who hasn't he called awful? Stop getting so easily baited by random people on the internet Nope, I can't. So fuck it, I'll do what Tastosis and Husky suggests and just not read the forums. Sorry, I'm incapable of not getting involved. Call it a character flaw, call it whatever you want, but there's no way I'm going to be able to hang around here and not post when I see something I believe to be wrong, so I'll just stay in my tournament thread and not get involved anywhere else, then everyone can be happy. | ||
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fer
Canada375 Posts
SC2 isn't really comparable to the extremely mainstream sports where it's very easy for entry level people to understand and explain at a reasonable level. SC2 demands you to put a vast amount of time and training to be able to get to that level. It's a very gradual curve and until we get to that point where more play by play and analyst casters start to surge, I'm very happy with guys like TB and such. | ||
zatic
Zurich15326 Posts
On June 15 2011 22:26 wacksteven wrote: Thank you goobers for completely derailing a show thread, again. -____- Talk about the show, please. Hello people. Please listen to this. | ||
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TuElite
Canada2123 Posts
On June 15 2011 22:33 TotalBiscuit wrote: Nope, I can't. So fuck it, I'll do what Tastosis and Husky suggests and just not read the forums. Sorry, I'm incapable of not getting involved. Call it a character flaw, call it whatever you want, but there's no way I'm going to be able to hang around here and not post when I see something I believe to be wrong, so I'll just stay in my tournament thread and not get involved anywhere else, then everyone can be happy. Good riddance and while you're at it please make sure to refrain from applying to league such as IPL in the future, we don't want you there neither. Stay in your own thread ans cast your own tournament/games, everybody wins, somewhat. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Phaded
Australia579 Posts
Casting is not formulaic, Tastosis is proof of that, as is the triple casting of the Korean GSL team. It's obvious that TB's solo casting has also gained him fans for holding his own. At the end of the day, its up to each VIEWER to decide on what they prefer to hear, not the caster to go "HEY YOU. LISTEN TO ME BECAUSE I FULFILL MY ROLE AS A CASTER/COMMENTATOR/SUPERHERO" | ||
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r_con
United States824 Posts
On June 15 2011 22:27 TotalBiscuit wrote: Sure I can, solo-casting should not be happening in SC2. Of course I can bring the play-by-play and colour casting into this argument, just as a colour caster should not be expected to take the lead and do the play-by-play because he doesn't have the proper training or talent to do so, as play-by-play should not be doing analysis. This is exactly how sports works, hell, I remember one of the previous MLGs were people were whining about DJWheat. Why does he keep asking Day9 questions?!? That's because that's what a play-by-play does to the resident expert, go and read up on it. Its a narrow look at casting, I'm certainly less of an expert, Ive seen day9 and Artosis do amazing play by plays with great enthusiasm. The problem arises when someone who doesn't understand the more subtle parts of the game, tries to make a strategic call. And all casters do it, including day9 and artosis and they sound like an idiots for the times they do it, but that's ok. I for one, don't get the hate for you, not a regular of your casts, but you are extremely exciting and have good flow from what I've seen. But game knowledge will not necessarily hurt you, it may prevent you from asking the questions that anger the more hardcore, and hell, for all I know, it may help your play by play. Knowing why something is important(the importance of a certain unit, the importance of a certain building, etc. etc.) can help you convey tension to your audience. Something doesn't have to be happening to have action, tension is extremely important, and game knowledge helps with that. A little game knowledge never hurts play by play. | ||
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Zombie_Velociraptor
274 Posts
God knows I'm not a fan of Totalbiscuit (actually, I hate his casting style and I usually mute the cast when I'm watching something he's casting), but how in hell can you defend a guy saying "totalbiscuit sucks lol" on a broadcast such as this, and THEN have the e-balls to flame TB for being angry about it? This isn't being 'frank' or 'honest', lol, this is being a douchebag, and a ridiculous personal attack on what is basically SC2 television. If you want to be 'honest' in expressing your dislike towards someone or something, you friggin' say 'I DONT LIKE X OR Y', you don't claim it SUCKS - nothing to do with honesty, everything to do with basic decency and etiquette which you would think people aged over 18 would have learned. But alas, I guess being a douche is good for marketing these days, or at least works for a certain someone, judging by the replies in here. Lol at all the rage about TB not wanting Idra in his invitational after this. | ||
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Xacalite
Germany533 Posts
"@Totalbiscuit if you card about esports you'd fuck off" I could look at that tweet for hours and be happy that there are actually people besides IdrA who dare to speak the truth. totally made my day. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On June 15 2011 22:45 TuElite wrote: Good riddance and while you're at it please make sure to refrain from applying to league such as IPL in the future, we don't want you there neither. Stay in your own thread ans cast your own tournament/games, everybody wins, somewhat. I'm sorry, but you don't matter and pretending otherwise is your biggest mistake. You can take this "we" shit and shove it up your ass too, oh no, pretentious eSports "fan" doesn't like my casting, as if that is going to affect the hiring decisions of the people who are actually important in keeping the scene going. Plenty of you need to get this into your heads, the people in charge do not give a shit about your dumb opinions and so they shouldn't. They have their metrics, they have actual information, they know who is good for them and who isn't and they will make decisions based on that, not on people whose method of arguing seems to boil down to "u mad?" more often than not. And just to make sure you know how the industry actually works. We don't "apply" to events, they come to us. If that doesn't speak volumes to you then that sounds like a personal problem. Bring on the "you're arrogant" comments that seem to come along every time I tell people how things actually work. If that's the price of being right then so be it. You and people like you are cunts, you are poison within the community and it's a good job that you don't have any influence, otherwise you might do some actual damage to it. Please, slobber all over IdrA's cock because he's so awesome for being honest and speaking the truth and then flame anyone else who does the same you self-righteous, worthless hypocrite. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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