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flodeskum
Iceland1267 Posts
On June 15 2011 23:19 Mycl wrote: I'm sure those metrics and information lets them know who has the stream set to mute. Do you think people watch TB streaming for his flashy overlays? You do realize that even when he's just playing some gold-level ladder he still has more viewers than the vast majority of progamers. He is a fantastic caster and he always draws a crowd, even if idra doesn't like him. | ||
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XaCez
Sweden6991 Posts
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
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TheFrankOne
United States667 Posts
On June 15 2011 23:29 Xacez wrote: Why do we have to fight and hate over this, and not love? Read flodeskum's sig and it will make sense. | ||
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Benitora
Norway2 Posts
IdrA have always been a arrogant piece of work, but his skills and analysis of the game is and will probably always will be, splendid. However, going from there, he does not have any right to criticize either Husky or TotalBiscuit about their skills and ability to cast a play to play game. They are both fairly popular, and are dragging more and more people into the Starcraft 2 community, even though their total knowledge of the game may very well just be sub-par (With no offense intended to any of them). TotalBiscuit, Husky and HDStarcraft, being the three I can think of right now, fills a nice niche for the casual gamer. They are not being overly analytical about the game, and they are just being enthusiastic about it, bringing a smile to a casual gamers face. If you want to watch games and learn something in the process with pauses and explanation of what just happened and what COULD have happened etc etc etc, then these casters are not for you. They cast because they love the game, they want to promote E-sports the best they can and they simply love showing amazing games to the regular player on the street. IdrA, Day9, Artosis and some more I can remember the names of, are a bit heavy for a casual gamer, such as myself, to watch all the time. I personally love playing Starcraft, I love watching games being played and I love hearing people shouting at the same time as that game moves on. I watch Day9 to learn more about becoming a better player and having some fun by watching his Funday Monday's. TotalBiscuit, Husky and HD are the casters I prefer to watch if I JUST want to watch a game, nothing else. Do put it simple, the casual guy just wants to watch the game with simple commentary. My 2 cents on the matter. | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
On June 15 2011 23:29 Charger wrote: Gotta give props to TB for actually being able to cast Idra games without being a complete a-hole to him. I don't think I could do that. And if he chooses not to invite Idra to his next event, that's his prerogative, he can invite or not invite whoever the hell he wants. Hahaha I'm just waiting for some caster to do a Superdanielman during a game from IdrA. | ||
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Laids
United Kingdom596 Posts
Good riddance and while you're at it please make sure to refrain from applying to league such as IPL in the future, we don't want you there neither. Stay in your own thread ans cast your own tournament/games, everybody wins, somewhat. There is a group of people in the Starcraft scene that are fucking poisonous, I don't know of it's the overflow from WoW or if these people have always been in the scene from BW, but they need to fuck off. | ||
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
On June 15 2011 22:25 Papulatus wrote: This has been out for less than a year and it has plenty of amazing casters who have boundless knowledge of the game. So there fore you can't bring this play by play and colour casting into this argument. The fact is, you have, on many occasions in the IPL (only time I have listened to your casting) suggested things about the game that would never happened. Things such as saying, and I'm paraphrasing, "Now a lair is coming up for the zerg. He could go mutas!". This was against a protoss. At this time, mutas were 100% unheard of in the meta game of ZvP. Sure, he could go mutas, but it just sounded stupid to anyone that actually knows anything about the metagame of ZvP. There were many other instances of this type of a failed analysis that I won't bother to cite. I have nothing against you at all. I listened to an interview of you, and I found you an enjoyable person. I can't stand your casting, but regardless, I think you're good for eSports. Your need to defend your self every time these types of critiques come up, however, is terrible for all parties involved. It's just stupid. The majority of the people flaming you don't know what they are talking about, so just ignore them. Its beginning to get to the point where every time I see you respond to one of these kids/trolls I feel sorry for you. Do you understand that many are just looking for you to respond to them? Stop feeding the trolls and soon they will begin to disappear. it sounds even more stupid when u use the word metagame | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
On June 15 2011 23:41 TotalBiscuit wrote: Goddamnit, someone say something inflammatory I can reply to so I can get 1337 posts. ur cool, we like u : - ) great color caster! | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Fuck you! | ||
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
On June 15 2011 22:45 TuElite wrote: Good riddance and while you're at it please make sure to refrain from applying to league such as IPL in the future, we don't want you there neither. Stay in your own thread ans cast your own tournament/games, everybody wins, somewhat. Wow you horrible I cant belive you havent been parma banned yet. | ||
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EtohEtoh
Canada669 Posts
On June 15 2011 23:29 Charger wrote: Gotta give props to TB for actually being able to cast Idra games without being a complete a-hole to him. I don't think I could do that. yup Idra certainly can't (see: Idra's NASL cast of Cruncher) you're tearing me apart Idra! I liked you when you were an A-hole who straight up destroyed every foreigner and even some koreans, now you're only practicing 4 hours a day, and you're just an a-hole | ||
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Phaded
Australia579 Posts
On June 15 2011 23:33 Benitora wrote: However, going from there, he does not have any right to criticize either Husky or TotalBiscuit about their skills and ability to cast a play to play game. He has as much right as any other viewer of the game. This debate wouldn't be even up for discussion if Idra didn't do any casting. If it was any other pro gamer that was outspoken and said that they didn't like the casting, then people would just be "lol that's pretty bm dude" but nooooooo, we have to get into this religious debate about casting styles, and the rabid fans on both sides of the fence have to try and justify their hero's casting style, and undermine their enemy's casting style, as if that had anything to do with the original comment as a viewer. Opinions are opinions. It's just a shame that clashing opinions with outspoken fan bases end up polluting threads like this. | ||
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
I don't think it's going to hurt you much but, eh, I expected better. I would have thought you'd be able to deal more calmly with these types. You're certainly not going to do much by raging at them other than make a fool of yourself with hyperbole. Biting wit is one thing. Infantile swearfilled raging is another. You may not be arrogant, but you're sure as hell acting impulsively and immaturely, something you have seemed to do before as well. You get enough bullshit so I'm not going to add directly to it, but I don't know how well this is going to stand you for the future. | ||
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Regina
Netherlands148 Posts
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flodeskum
Iceland1267 Posts
Man, you shouldn't be talking shit on the internet. You may think using exclamation marks makes your insults better but you lack the experience and knowledge of internet shittalk to be taken seriously. In comparison to idra's deep and powerful douchbaggery yours is vacuous and pathetic, you should leave some things to the pros ^^ | ||
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Liudo
United Kingdom344 Posts
On June 15 2011 23:55 flodeskum wrote: Man, you shouldn't be talking shit on the internet. You may think using exclamation marks makes your insults better but you lack the experience and knowledge of internet shittalk to be taken seriously. In comparison to idra's deep and powerful douchbaggery yours is vacuous and pathetic, you should leave some things to the pros. heh ironic signature for this poster | ||
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Benitora
Norway2 Posts
On June 15 2011 23:49 Phaded wrote: He has as much right as any other viewer of the game. This debate wouldn't be even up for discussion if Idra didn't do any casting. If it was any other pro gamer that was outspoken and said that they didn't like the casting, then people would just be "lol that's pretty bm dude" but nooooooo, we have to get into this religious debate about casting styles, and the rabid fans on both sides of the fence have to try and justify their hero's casting style, and undermine their enemy's casting style, as if that had anything to do with the original comment as a viewer. Opinions are opinions. It's just a shame that clashing opinions with outspoken fan bases end up polluting threads like this. IdrA doing pro-casting and then attacking Husky/TotalBiscuit/HDStarcraft does not automatically makes his opinion on the matter absolute when he criticizes their knowledge and understanding of the game. He is essentially criticizing casters who's main supporters are "casual", where as he focuses on the pro-player part of the community. I can understand that there will be some idiotic comments between them, as TotalBiscuit can be quite the "douche" himself, Husky being overly enthusiastic to the annoying and HDStarcraft....erhm....I'm not sure about him. Of course, the three I mentioned may not be the best players in the world, but saying they can't cast a proper game just because they do not have absolute knowledge about every single thing in the game is a bit redundant. I'm not going to say IdrA is a bad caster, because certainly, he does fill a niche, but him starting to criticize someone JUST AFTER he himself started the casting, as I remember to extremely recent, whereas TotalBiscuit and Husky have been casting almost since the game got out, and TotalBiscuit even casting in other games. It's like me, the casual gamer starting to criticize IdrA's quick "gg's" from games where he COULD make a comeback. I am in no position to actually say anything about his play. If IdrA had been casting since the release or at least half a years time, I would not object to his critique, but right now, it's just silly of him to do so. Or at least, that's my opinion on the matter. | ||
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Kerotan
England2109 Posts
On June 15 2011 23:35 Laids wrote: There is a group of people in the Starcraft scene that are fucking poisonous, I don't know of it's the overflow from WoW or if these people have always been in the scene from BW, but they need to fuck off. I agree. Whats with all the hate? Its a really unattractive quality. I'm not a big fan of TB's style, but surely I'm not the only one who doesn't feel the need, or the purpose to climb onto a soapbox claiming to speak on behalf of more people than just myself, especially when there are people than enjoy his casting. To be a little critical however, as long as I've known of TB, I've known him as someone that has been bad at handling "criticism" (I put it in air quotes, because the sort of criticism I see him handling is the nonconstructive kind) I'm all for content providers reading forums, but a steely resolve is required to protect yourself from stupid shitheads who think its okay, nay their obligation to tell you how much you fucking suck, but most importantly, not give them the satisfaction of responding. -Post script- I'd just to emphasize that there are no villains here, Idra calling people terrible is nothing new, Idra having a low opinion of someone is the norm, and his comments shouldn't really shock anyone. | ||
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