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On June 16 2011 02:30 Scythias wrote:
I would argue that TotalBiscuit is essential to Starcraft as an eSport because he does draw in a large crowd with his style, which i thoroughly enjoy.
The thing is, the people who want the hardcore analysis are probably in the minority. The people that TotalBiscuit attracts are those who like his style and his style his very appealing in a game where alot of Macro and Micro are involved to keep people interested.
The majority of Sports fans for example Football are the type who tune in to watch the action and scream "Dude that was a sweet takedown" or "YES he smashed through those guys to score the try" a commentator like TB certainly enhances that and ads to the excitement so starcraft players stay interested so they too can have a "Those Siege tanks blew the shit out of those zealots" or "those banelings melted those damn marines woop!"
eSports does need to attract these kind of spectators because they make up the majority that really help fund eSports and keep tournaments running with higher prizes so that the high level players can keep playing at the highest level.
You're right as to where esports would go if it were to become like a mainstream sport, but that just isn't how things are now. How many people (lets say outside of Korea) do you think watch SC2 but don't play? The American Football fans you allude to would all be regular people at home. I think that the majority of people who watch SC2 casts are players, or at least have played to some degree. The same can't be said for mainstream. Being familiar with the playing of a game makes you want something a bit more from casting, you want to learn and understand why a particular play is great, why a player is saving chrono boost. You don't look to a sports caster for those kinds of insights in the same way. (Let me say that my experience in this regard is from watching actual Football, as in soccer if you want to use the wrong name ;P)
Sure there will be people who do play sports who watch sports and enjoy the action casting and the analysis, but they are a minority compared to the SC2 community which is mostly made up of people who do play, if only casually. Thats the power of esports and online competition I guess. I think that is where the analogy between esports and real life sports sometimes falls down.
As a player, someone who knows about the game and how it works in more depth than your average armchair sports viewer, I want more analysis and I dont want someone making me focus more on his casting analysis/metagame/misscalls than the action.
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On June 16 2011 01:42 Dystisis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 01:24 Mailing wrote:On June 16 2011 01:17 chickenhawk wrote:
The problem is not that Idra does not like TB casting, and not liking TB casting is fine. The problem is that Idra does not know the difference from not liking and being a dick. Saying "I think his casting is awful", giving his honest opinion, is being a dick? Yes, of course it is. Saying "I don't really like how he casts" or "I prefer listening to someone more analytical in their casting" is giving the honest opinion. Anything more than that is either an act of intentionally being inflammatory or unknowingly behaving dickishly.
maybe english isn't your first language but to clarify...
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/honest
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion
so saying something is awful is an honest opinion.
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The rage is why we love TB. Is it rage? Or is it just masterful trolling?
Either way it sure is entertaining.
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I can enjoy everything about the sc2 world without caring one bit about anything that Idra says. I enjoy who I enjoy and I know who I would rather watch cast games. I dont know why people have to attack TB publicly all the time when he's by far one of the best casters and contributors, these negative opinions have been stated before and yet tens of thousands of people continue to enjoy his work and he casts some big tournaments, so these posts mean very little in the scheme of things.
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On June 16 2011 02:40 Jonneh wrote:
As a player, someone who knows about the game and how it works in more depth than your average armchair sports viewer, I want more analysis and I dont want someone making me focus more on his casting analysis/metagame/misscalls than the action.
Then watch someone who commentates how you want and stop trying to cut down the variety and choice about how we want to be entertained? Problem? it has been solved.
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I also feel its a shame that Totalbiscuit isnt smart enough to separate haters and critics, and I mean why do you even get so upset over one comment from Idra?
Totalbiscuit has improved alot in the last months, and in SCI he did really great, only that 2gate pressure instead of forge fast expand thingy was really bad. I guess he did not the whatch the MLG last week.. MC was spamming that build alot. :p
And he did not get 'so upset' over that comment, he just said that we will no invite Idra.
He only said that after Idra said he was awful and not after Idra said he did no like him.
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a commentator like TB certainly enhances that and ads to the excitement so starcraft players stay interested so they too can have a "Those Siege tanks blew the shit out of those zealots" or "those banelings melted those damn marines woop!"
I think that's more of a dialect/accent thing. I'm from the same region so I have np understanding the slang you sometimes hear from TB whereas someone from NA would be thinking "I aint a clue what he just said there" it's perfectly fine to have their own opinion and just mute the stream. But if you're gonna go all guns blazing "YOU SUCK AT CASTING" then yeah you deserve to be dissed back.
My only criticism of TB he needs to interact with the fans more. Sometimes he can be really rude and ignorant and I don't approve of that, we the fans, is what keeps esports going.
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I don't understand why TB seems to think that what he's doing is some kind of high art or special skill. He's kind of just yelling. I'd like to see him actually argue his case on that.
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I wasn't talking about the accent, and being from NA myself i have no problem understanding TB.
What makes TB great and why a lot of people enjoy his stuff, is because he doesn't pander, that's what a lot of interacting usually is, he twitters facebooks even posts on this forums how is that not enough?
I don't think you understand TBs major appeal and why a lot of people love and hate him.
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so saying something is awful is an honest opinion.
Sorry but you are wrong, saying that something is awful cannot be an opinion. If you say, with out being certain that something is awful you are being stupid.
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What makes TB great and why a lot of people enjoy his stuff, is because he doesn't pander, that's what a lot of interacting usually is, he twitters facebooks even posts on this forums how is that not enough?
Yes, and he's usually rude every time to people who asks questions or gives opinions.
A quick scroll down to his history of tweets would justify my claim.
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On June 15 2011 22:12 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 22:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 15 2011 22:08 Blasphemi wrote:
Even as a play by play caster you should still understand the game to a high level. And your evidence for this assertion is where? Please find me an example of any mainstream sports play by play caster who understands his or her sport in as primitive a way as you do starcraft 2
Mike Goldberg. UFC play-by-play man. He can talk up a storm, his downfall is that hes a company man to the very end.
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On June 16 2011 03:00 Cepical wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 22:12 Blasphemi wrote:On June 15 2011 22:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 15 2011 22:08 Blasphemi wrote:
Even as a play by play caster you should still understand the game to a high level. And your evidence for this assertion is where? Please find me an example of any mainstream sports play by play caster who understands his or her sport in as primitive a way as you do starcraft 2 Mike Goldberg. UFC play-by-play man. He can talk up a storm, his downfall is that hes a company man to the very end.
I have no interest in UFC so never heard of him, I'll have to take your word for it.
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I really think that when considering starcraft casting types, its easier to compare it to the casting style of Boxing or MMA, because this is not a team sport, its a 1 on 1 match, just like combat sports. If you want to see proper sports broadcasting as it can be applied to Starcraft 2, watch HBO, watch UFC, watch Showtime, K-1, whatever! That is the format.
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We need a verb for what happens to threads where TotalBiscuit defends himself against his critics. TotalBiscuitted just doesn't quite cut it.
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On June 16 2011 02:59 Mackus wrote:Show nested quote +What makes TB great and why a lot of people enjoy his stuff, is because he doesn't pander, that's what a lot of interacting usually is, he twitters facebooks even posts on this forums how is that not enough? Yes, and he's usually rude every time to people who asks questions or gives opinions. A quick scroll down to his history of tweets would justify my claim.
Not saying the claim isn't justified i'm saying that's the appeal.
Going by how many people like TB and watch his vids i'd say it's working out pretty well for him.
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On June 16 2011 03:05 Scythias wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 02:59 Mackus wrote:What makes TB great and why a lot of people enjoy his stuff, is because he doesn't pander, that's what a lot of interacting usually is, he twitters facebooks even posts on this forums how is that not enough? Yes, and he's usually rude every time to people who asks questions or gives opinions. A quick scroll down to his history of tweets would justify my claim. Not saying the claim isn't justified i'm saying that's the appeal. Going by how many people like TB and watch his vids i'd say it's working out pretty well for him.
I think quite a lot of people watch him for the amusement of him not understanding the game, missing drops etc..
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I think quite a lot of people watch him for the amusement of him not understanding the game, missing drops etc..
You couldn't be more wrong.. People watch him when MLG was on because they like it, not because he can miss something in a game. And he plays at gold level, that gives him some understanding of the game. Enough to be a pbp.
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Alot of podcasts lately have had the same people bashing TB. The same 2 people I might add. State of the game at times ended up like a pathetic celebrity gossip mag, I hope Wheat doesen't let people turn inside the game into the same.
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On June 16 2011 03:10 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 03:05 Scythias wrote:On June 16 2011 02:59 Mackus wrote:What makes TB great and why a lot of people enjoy his stuff, is because he doesn't pander, that's what a lot of interacting usually is, he twitters facebooks even posts on this forums how is that not enough? Yes, and he's usually rude every time to people who asks questions or gives opinions. A quick scroll down to his history of tweets would justify my claim. Not saying the claim isn't justified i'm saying that's the appeal. Going by how many people like TB and watch his vids i'd say it's working out pretty well for him. I think quite a lot of people watch him for the amusement of him not understanding the game, missing drops etc..
20k people tuned in on Sunday to look for missed drops .... REALLY??
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