EPTI ♥ TB
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wollhandkrabbe
Germany97 Posts
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
On June 15 2011 23:55 flodeskum wrote: Man, you shouldn't be talking shit on the internet. You may think using exclamation marks makes your insults better but you lack the experience and knowledge of internet shittalk to be taken seriously. In comparison to idra's deep and powerful douchbaggery yours is vacuous and pathetic, you should leave some things to the pros. you obviously lack the knowledge of internet shittalk to be taken serious. o m g do read again please hint: user Liudo already said it | ||
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JoFritzMD
Australia163 Posts
On June 15 2011 23:51 Regina wrote: srsly why all the hate :/ TB is contributing to the community in a positive way, only because some people maybe don't like his style of casting as much as other casters is no reason to flame him. Show some respect instead! Without casters there wont content to watch, just don't watch casters/streams you dont like. Also i think that casters shouldn't put other casters down just because they dont like them as much, they should realise that they are all figure heads in the community if you like it or not ... keep it up TB with the stuff you do in your own way In a positive way? So throwing a tantrum and rage quitting a tournament that he's supposed to be casting at is contributing in a positive way? | ||
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flodeskum
Iceland1267 Posts
On June 16 2011 00:06 ribboo wrote: you obviously lack the knowledge of internet shittalk to be taken serious. o m g do read again please hint: user Liudo already said it T'was a joke mate  | ||
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
double irony, damn, the jokes on me. do i feel dumb? yeah  | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
On June 15 2011 23:41 TotalBiscuit wrote: Goddamnit, someone say something inflammatory I can reply to so I can get 1337 posts. wow, that doesn't sound like TB at all. so far, all your replies made sense and were written in a civilized manner. it's sad that a simple comment from idra leads to something like this | ||
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Pondo
Australia283 Posts
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EtohEtoh
Canada669 Posts
On June 16 2011 00:39 Pondo wrote: Makes me laugh watching TB respond to this type of stuff for the one hundredth time. One of the reasons I stopped watching his vids... He pays more attention to haters than he does the people who actually like him. well, the screams from the haters got a nice ring to it, i guess every superhero needs his theme music | ||
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chickenhawk
Portugal339 Posts
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On June 16 2011 01:17 chickenhawk wrote: The problem is not that Idra does not like TB casting, and not liking TB casting is fine. The problem is that Idra does not know the difference from not liking and being a dick. Saying "I think his casting is awful", giving his honest opinion, is being a dick? To be, going batshit on twitter for 30 minutes as a result is the dick-y thing. | ||
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Jonneh
United Kingdom67 Posts
I am quite bored of it, tbh. Firstly I'm bored of the haters who criticize casters, and mostly I'm bored of the extreme haters TB attracts with his attitude. If anything is bad for esports, its the constant back-and-forth we see from TB and the haters. Your average discussion goes something like; critic: man tb is bad at casting, he makes so many mistakes TB(defensive): im not supposed to be good an analysis, im a pbp caster, duh, here are some urls critic: yeah but it harms my interest in watching the game when you say silly things hater: yeah tb, you suck etc, hate hate swear, get out of esports tb(defensive/angry): haters gonna hate, I still get hired so, you must be wrong.. hater: we hate because ubad, pro players hate you too, i heard it on SotG/ItG TB(angry): show me evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that i am bad and that i am not wrong in whatever argument i make against your claims hater: i dont need to, you suck TB(:@): (some rage) I mean, seriously. Isn't the above basically it as far as the debate goes? I personally am exactly like the above quoted critic. I criticize TB because the things he says while casting which I know to be incorrect or misinterpretations really jar me out of the viewing experience. Day9 and DJWheat may get the odd word wrong and say stalker when they mean to say roach or something silly, but they don't say clueless-about-metagame things. Examples are pointless, I'm sure we all know what I mean. Are we wrong with our criticism, and are we wrong to voice it? Obviously not, and people always will even if it was wrong. Does it harm esports that he is an average caster who makes a lot of mistakes? No, not in any substantial and measurable way. Does it harm esports that he is easy meat for the haters to get a rise and a reaction out of on forums, twitter, reddit etc? Yes. When we're spending this much time talking about this instead of the game, I think its a sign something is wrong somewhere. TB, you can be a funny guy and you do have that broadcasters vocal quality that probably appeals to a lot of people. Continue to improve your game knowledge, and focus on those things which people complain about most. Or you can just write off all of us who are polite critics off and tar us all with the 'hater' brush if you want, but I'm not hating.. just telling you with polite feedback that your casting is below the bar as far as I am concerned because you do things to put me off. I think there are a lot of people who feel the same. TB seems to have some built in switch where you can't read criticism without getting defensive and thereby leaving yourself wide open to actual haters to jump on a point and anger you further. Learn to take feedback. Plenty of people watching know a lot more about SC2 than you, how can they not? You're like gold league or something. You can point to the play-by-play wiki link all you like, but the fact of the matter is that there are plenty of play-by-play casters who don't make the same mistakes you do, DJWheat (<3) and Husky included. There are also plenty of pro players who cast make the game exciting and provide great analysis, iNcontrol and Gretorp do a great job on NASL in that regard. Those two and others in the community make jokes about TB pretty much for the reasons I've stated tbh, at least I think so, but they respect him because he is skilled at what he does even if its not quite in tune with SC2. He does great things for the community, his recent tournament included, and we should all be supporting anyone willing to put time and effort into esports. Haters and flamers, just give over please. If you cant phrase your feedback in a way which isn't just all-out flame then I'm not sure there is much point in having an opinion. All you do is wind people up the wrong way, and make work for moderators all over the community. If you want things to improve, learn to provide your feedback in a way which can be taken on board instead of clashing against the situation like a freight train on fire. | ||
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FenneK
France1231 Posts
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Dystisis
Norway713 Posts
On June 16 2011 01:24 Mailing wrote: Saying "I think his casting is awful", giving his honest opinion, is being a dick? Yes, of course it is. Saying "I don't really like how he casts" or "I prefer listening to someone more analytical in their casting" is giving the honest opinion. Anything more than that is either an act of intentionally being inflammatory or unknowingly behaving dickishly. | ||
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chickenhawk
Portugal339 Posts
Saying "I think his casting is awful", giving his honest opinion, is being a dick? Since you fail to see the diference by yourself, I guess it will be pointless for me to explain, but lets give it a try. awful = poor quality, therefor Idra was letting us know that he thinks that TB is a bad caster. When you say that something is awful, you must give some prove, he didn't. Therefor we can make an assumption that he just does not like TB. And when you by not liking something, and by that, that thing is automatically awful, your are being a dick. | ||
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
On June 16 2011 00:26 Enox wrote: wow, that doesn't sound like TB at all. so far, all your replies made sense and were written in a civilized manner. it's sad that a simple comment from idra leads to something like this he sayd it in a sarcastic way jesus you guys read the thread | ||
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furcifer
Norway54 Posts
On June 16 2011 02:07 chickenhawk wrote: Since you fail to see the diference by yourself, I guess it will be pointless for me to explain, but lets give it a try. awful = poor quality, therefor Idra was letting us know that he thinks that TB is a bad caster. When you say that something is awful, you must give some prove, he didn't. Therefor we can make an assumption that he just does not like TB. And when you by not liking something, and by that, that thing is automatically awful, your are being a dick. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI Idra has stated on previous occations that he doesnt enjoy TBs casting simply because he prefers the more analytic way of casting sc2 as it gives him more enjoyment. | ||
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Shewklad
Sweden482 Posts
P.S I'm not on either side of the IdrA vs TB debate. But I'm certainly not on the same side as the majority of the community. | ||
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chickenhawk
Portugal339 Posts
Idra has stated on previous occations that he doesnt enjoy TBs casting simply because he prefers the more analytic way of casting sc2 as it gives him more enjoyment. Thats fine! And if he said only that it would be ok. By saying that, he is just admitting that he does not like him. That he prefers something else. And thats ok. The problem is that he said he is awful and not giving a reason why TB is a bad caster. Just because you do not like something, it does not give you the right to call it awful. | ||
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Scythias
6 Posts
The thing is, the people who want the hardcore analysis are probably in the minority. The people that TotalBiscuit attracts are those who like his style and his style his very appealing in a game where alot of Macro and Micro are involved to keep people interested. The majority of Sports fans for example Football are the type who tune in to watch the action and scream "Dude that was a sweet takedown" or "YES he smashed through those guys to score the try" a commentator like TB certainly enhances that and ads to the excitement so starcraft players stay interested so they too can have a "Those Siege tanks blew the shit out of those zealots" or "those banelings melted those damn marines woop!" eSports does need to attract these kind of spectators because they make up the majority that really help fund eSports and keep tournaments running with higher prizes so that the high level players can keep playing at the highest level. | ||
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furcifer
Norway54 Posts
I also feel its a shame that Totalbiscuit isnt smart enough to separate haters and critics, and I mean why do you even get so upset over one comment from Idra? | ||
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