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On June 15 2011 12:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 12:25 Whole wrote:
Well from what I read, IdrA said that you "sucked." That should be taken lightly from IdrA because he says almost everyone and everything sucks. Rarely people actually defend themselves in that case because IdrA says it about everyone so no one really cares. It just seems you took it too personally. It's not so much what IdrA says it's what his fans throw at you afterwards that is annoying. IdrA criticising my casting is about as irrelevant as me criticising his play.
His "fans" wouldn't have thrown anything at you if you would have just ignored what he said.Instead you started to tweet and this was the result.Seriously man I have nothing against you but you should really grow a thicker hide.Every time there is a Totalbiscuit comment on one of these podcasts i already see 20 pages spawning of you explaining yourself to people when you have no reason to.
Just ignore what people say,take a page out of Huskys book,a lot of people have been calling him a shit caster,including Idra,and he just doesn't give any attention to them,so people don't notice.
These discussions don't do anything good for you,they only entertain people for 15 minutes and than they look forward to the next "lets poke Totalbiscuit" day.
It's starting to look like you do this for attention and marketing,which i know your not,but still....
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On June 15 2011 16:18 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 12:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 15 2011 12:25 Whole wrote:
Well from what I read, IdrA said that you "sucked." That should be taken lightly from IdrA because he says almost everyone and everything sucks. Rarely people actually defend themselves in that case because IdrA says it about everyone so no one really cares. It just seems you took it too personally. It's not so much what IdrA says it's what his fans throw at you afterwards that is annoying. IdrA criticising my casting is about as irrelevant as me criticising his play. His "fans" wouldn't have thrown anything at you if you would have just ignored what he said.Instead you started to tweet and this was the result.Seriously man I have nothing against you but you should really grow a thicker hide.Every time there is a Totalbiscuit comment on one of these podcasts i already see 20 pages spawning of you explaining yourself to people when you have no reason to. Just ignore what people say,take a page out of Huskys book,a lot of people have been calling him a shit caster,including Idra,and he just doesn't give any attention to them,so people don't notice. These discussions don't do anything good for you,they only entertain people for 15 minutes and than they look forward to the next "lets poke Totalbiscuit" day. It's starting to look like you do this for attention and marketing,which i know your not,but still....
I agree. Hate to say it TB, but just shrug it off. Its just Idra, defending yourself or even addressing it at all just makes it seem as if he "got" to you. Whether he did or not is irrelevant. Just let it die, Idra will say something about someone else in a week or so, until then, just don't worry about it.
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On June 15 2011 14:52 Sapphire.lux wrote:uuu drama! Is the vod up yet? 
Here is the vod for the recent episode, since I'm interested reading the last pages as well:
http://www.justin.tv/onemoregametv/b/288080429
You can go to the justin.tv channel and go straight into the vod section, in the regular place where you would watch the stream live it's harder to get to the vods. It's neat because justin.tv saves it themselves so it becomes available really fast. Atleast I got that impression. EGMasterCup for example will get on as raws and then later on they will manually cut it into parts of matches and label it etc. I'm not sure how it works in terms of supporting them ad wise.
Their site embeds blip.tv which does a good job of showing ads during the vod. So I'm including that there, try to prefer blip because of the ads maybe? I don't know anyway enjoy! Lets found out what the fuzz is all about shall we.
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I think Idra is maybe a bit blunt, but he is honest and of course it is allowed to have a opinion about a caster. I haven't heard the episode yet, but as long as Idra is saying why he don't like TB it's ok I think.
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On June 15 2011 21:27 Quakie wrote:
I think Idra is maybe a bit blunt, but he is honest and of course it is allowed to have a opinion about a caster. I haven't heard the episode yet, but as long as Idra is saying why he don't like TB it's ok I think.
He doesn't... Idra might be a good player, but he's also a delusional unempathetic moron. My proof? The fact that he doesn't realize that casters like husky and TB fill a rather gigantic niche. TB shouldn't waste his time responding to criticism, especially not from idra.
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On June 15 2011 21:27 Quakie wrote:
I think Idra is maybe a bit blunt, but he is honest and of course it is allowed to have a opinion about a caster. I haven't heard the episode yet, but as long as Idra is saying why he don't like TB it's ok I think.
its what make idra idra though. He is blunt and honest, cant really fault him for that. generally they are 2 positive virtues.
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Why is there ALWAYS some TB drama every time someone mentions his name in a not so bright light -.-
It seems as if there are enough fans of his "sneaky, sneaky thingy attacking itsi bitsi"-casting and others who just dont like it. Of course Idra & Co. are much more interesting to watch from a player point of view, but that's the nature of things, as Idra knows Sc2 and TB doesn't at all and a player wants to know what is going on and why. Obviously TB cannot provide that information. Others like that style of content-less casting from him, so why waste space and time in the Inside the game thread :-(
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oh nice the VoD is up! checking it out now <3
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Looking at some of the tweets TB got, a part of Idras fanbase is kind of stupid and sometimes just scary.
They act like brainwashed phsycos ffs.
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On June 15 2011 21:55 Kuni wrote:
Why is there ALWAYS some TB drama every time someone mentions his name in a not so bright light -.-
It seems as if there are enough fans of his "sneaky, sneaky thingy attacking itsi bitsi"-casting and others who just dont like it. Of course Idra & Co. are much more interesting to watch from a player point of view, but that's the nature of things, as Idra knows Sc2 and TB doesn't at all and a player wants to know what is going on and why. Obviously TB cannot provide that information. Others like that style of content-less casting from him, so why waste space and time in the Inside the game thread :-(
Not really, a ton of pros have no interest in being analysed and prefer to be treated like sportsmen rather than science projects and have told me so. I'd go as far as to guess that IdrA's casting preferences are a minority in the pro scene, based on what I've heard.
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On June 15 2011 21:44 Jayrod wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 21:27 Quakie wrote:
I think Idra is maybe a bit blunt, but he is honest and of course it is allowed to have a opinion about a caster. I haven't heard the episode yet, but as long as Idra is saying why he don't like TB it's ok I think. He doesn't... Idra might be a good player, but he's also a delusional unempathetic moron. My proof? The fact that he doesn't realize that casters like husky and TB fill a rather gigantic niche. TB shouldn't waste his time responding to criticism, especially not from idra.
gigantic niche
the point they were making is that TB came out and criticized idra's casting niche first, for absolutely no reason, when idra is hailed as pretty much the best purely analytical caster that we have seen in sc2 to date.
tb is just another time filling play by play joke teller, which is fine. he can do that and its great for some people, but he isnt the best and yet he felt the need to make a really weird post dumping on idra for no reason.
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On June 15 2011 21:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 21:55 Kuni wrote:
Why is there ALWAYS some TB drama every time someone mentions his name in a not so bright light -.-
It seems as if there are enough fans of his "sneaky, sneaky thingy attacking itsi bitsi"-casting and others who just dont like it. Of course Idra & Co. are much more interesting to watch from a player point of view, but that's the nature of things, as Idra knows Sc2 and TB doesn't at all and a player wants to know what is going on and why. Obviously TB cannot provide that information. Others like that style of content-less casting from him, so why waste space and time in the Inside the game thread :-( Not really, a ton of pros have no interest in being analysed and prefer to be treated like sportsmen rather than science projects and have told me so. I'd go as far as to guess that IdrA's casting preferences are a minority in the pro scene, based on what I've heard.
no no, you misunderstand I think ... I refer to "player" as the regular viewer, who plays starcraft on a regular basis, tries to improve his game, but doesn't have anything to do with the pro scene himself. I understand your point from the pro-player point of view, who's playing a game being casted.
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On June 15 2011 21:59 turdburgler wrote:
gigantic niche
the point they were making is that TB came out and criticized idra's casting niche first, for absolutely no reason, when idra is hailed as pretty much the best purely analytical caster that we have seen in sc2 to date.
This is bullshit. If you actually read the post, as opposed to what you were told to get angry about by other fanbois, you'd know I WAS THE ONE who hailed him as pretty much the best purely analytical caster than we have seen in SC2 to date.
Fuck there are some incredibly delusional people in the SC2 scene. How about you read the original post. http://gosu.com/2011/05/counter-point-totalbiscuits-response-to-our-casting-article/
I've highlighted the important bit for you.
IdrA is not a good caster. He does not have the training to be a good caster, he is too quiet, he is frequently monotone, he stumbles in his speech, he has no flow to speak of, he lacks the ability to express passion and emotion. He is however, an analyst of exceptional skill and calibre, easily one of the best in the business. He should be lauded for this however the distinction must be made there. This is how sportscasting works 101 – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_by_playhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_commentatorIdrA is a colour-commentator. He fits all the criteria, he is analytical, he is there to provide background and extensive game knowledge, based on experience as a current/ex-player. He is there to fill in time when the play-by-play commentator is not talking and as a knowledgeable resource to back up the play-by-play commentator, who is more often than not, not a professional player/coach/ex-player, but a professional broadcaster.
So to hell with dumb fanbois who can't read I say.
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Even as a play by play caster you should still understand the game to a high level.
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Suggestion for ITG:
As much as we all love the japanese noodlegirl. I'd love to see replacements for absent co-hosts.
It's a great platform for pro's to get exposure, also good for the show to have all races represented and good to hear some different voices and oppinions.
Is something like this in the pipeline?
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On June 15 2011 22:08 Blasphemi wrote:
Even as a play by play caster you should still understand the game to a high level.
And your evidence for this assertion is where?
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I find it distastefull that a player like Idra goes out in public and says TB sucks. Who the feck do Idra think he is seriously?
TB has brought in many new fans to the sc2 scene. Fans that helped grow sc2 to what it is today. Casters like TB, Husky, HD etc has all brought in huge amount of fans im one of them without Husky I woulnt be here.
So again who the feck does Idra think he is he should get on his knees and thx TB for all the fans that are paying his livelyhood
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Well ... as Tyler mentioned once on SotG. It is pretty bad if you listen to a caster saying something about the events in the game, when it is clearly completely wrong.
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On June 15 2011 22:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 22:08 Blasphemi wrote:
Even as a play by play caster you should still understand the game to a high level. And your evidence for this assertion is where?
Please find me an example of any mainstream sports play by play caster who understands his or her sport in as primitive a way as you do starcraft 2
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On June 15 2011 22:12 Kuni wrote:
Well ... as Tyler mentioned once on SotG. It is pretty bad if you listen to a caster saying something about the events in the game, when it is clearly completely wrong.
Which should not be happening if you are doing play-by-play properly anyway so it's a non issue.
If your play-by-play caster is doing analysis then your setup is wrong.
Please find me an example of any mainstream sports play by play caster who understands his or her sport in as primitive a way as you do starcraft 2
Please find me any caster of a sport that's existed for less than a year in it's proper form.
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