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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:46 EnderCraft wrote: That is completely irrelevant to the quote above. TB is financing this tournament by himself, I hope you understand that. It's completely up to him who he deems as an invite candidate. For someone who spouts "ESPORTS" a lot, no it's not  | ||
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Phaded
Australia579 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:44 Mailing wrote: Why host a tourney if you only pick your favorite players? That's the definition of an invitational, to pick the players you want to play. Just like a showmatch. It would be a different story if it was an open tournament, but as an invitational, its up to the organiser and only the organiser to determine who to invite, not some vocal posters on a board. | ||
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Heaton31
United States323 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:45 walklightwhat wrote: So, basically, if someone is asked for their opinion on a tournament you were involved in (in this case the IPL) and says, bluntly perhaps but still honestly, that you're a bad caster they are no longer eligible to participate in tournaments you run yourself? That's fine either way, but it's pretty ridiculous to claim IdrA made it personal by giving his opinion, especially when you not only take every opportunity you get to take cheap shots at either him or his fans on reddit or in your casts and also were the one who turned it into a twitter bitch fight, criticizing both his fans and casting. This is whole thing is a pile of childish bullshit from the pair of you. So basically how NASL hand picked their players? If I run a tournament and put up the money myself and only want to invite people starting with the letter A I can do that because... it's my tournament. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
not some vocal posters on a board. Well if the goal is to gain the viewership of those vocal posters then their opinion DOES become important. ^^ | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:47 Mailing wrote: For someone who spouts "ESPORTS" a lot, no it's not Sorry, but not inviting IdrA to a tournament does not HURT ESPORTS. There's a lot of players I didn't invite to this tournament and there are a lot of players who I won't invite to the next one, mostly because that's how math works. You don't need IdrA to have a successful 8-man tournament. Well if the goal is to gain the viewership of those vocal posters then their opinion DOES become important. ^^ It isn't. | ||
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walklightwhat
Australia752 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:48 Heaton31 wrote: So basically how NASL hand picked their players? If I run a tournament and put up the money myself and only want to invite people starting with the letter A I can do that because... it's my tournament. Which is why I said it is fine. It's also fine if TB doesn't want to address my points. If I'm delusional, so be it. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:50 walklightwhat wrote: Which is why I said it is fine. It's also fine if TB doesn't want to address my points. If I'm delusional, so be it. Address your points? You're asking me to prove a negative? Burden of proof is on the accuser. You accused me of taking every chance I get to take potshots at IdrA and his fans, including in my casts. Prove it. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:44 TotalBiscuit wrote: Excluding one person on the entire planet is not the same as only picking my favourite players. I wonder whether he would accept the invite if you made one? My guess is no, especially not now. To quote the great TL Ten Commandments "My house my rules". I don't see the problem here. Who cares if you actually did only invite your favourite players? Seriously what exactly is the problem here?  Loved the NASL Top Ten. I know I'm late but that was awesome. Edit: On June 15 2011 11:50 TotalBiscuit wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2011 11:47 Mailing wrote: For someone who spouts "ESPORTS" a lot, no it's not Sorry, but not inviting IdrA to a tournament does not HURT ESPORTS. + Show Spoiler + There's a lot of players I didn't invite to this tournament and there are a lot of players who I won't invite to the next one, mostly because that's how math works. You don't need IdrA to have a successful 8-man tournament. Well if the goal is to gain the viewership of those vocal posters then their opinion DOES become important. ^^ It isn't. Thanks for this quote, it is going straight to Makilatov's blog http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=232866  | ||
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DrN0
United Kingdom184 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:44 Mailing wrote: Why host a tourney if you only pick your favorite players? That should be why host a tourney if you dont invite your enemies? enemies being a strong word but the only apt one in that sentence, and the answer is to teach them a lesson, to tell them that you are not powerless. Or more honestly not giving the oppurtunity to win money to somebody who has openly insulted you, Why reward someone when their true character has already been revealed by their actions? Especially when there are equally qualified competitors. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:52 Probulous wrote: I wonder whether he would accept the invite if you made one? My guess is no, especially not now. To quote the great TL Ten Commandments "My house my rules". I don't see the problem here. Who cares if you actually did only invite your favourite players? Seriously what exactly is the problem here? Loved the NASL Top Ten. I know I'm late but that was awesome. End of the day, if I invited only my favourite players, it would be one fucking awesome tournament, just as it probably would be if anyone else invited only their favourite players. | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:33 TotalBiscuit wrote: It's probably personal because I sponsor the tournament and I don't really like giving my money to people who slag me off on the internet. If you're suggesting that I should, then you're holding me to an impossibly high standard that I very much doubt you'd adhere to yourself in the same situation. Put a couple of grand on the line for someone who's done nothing but shit on you. I dare you. If you do, then you are a way better man than I will ever be. You know what being the better man would be? Casting his Dreamhack games the same way I cast anyone elses, without bias. I am not the fuckin eSports Jesus, that's as much as you're getting from me. But isn't denying great players an entry into a tournament because of your personal opinion bad for esports? | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
 ). I really don't give a flying fuck what you think of him or what he thinks of you and I'm sure there are a lot of other people like me out there, I watch tournaments for entertaining games + casters, the former half you will lose some of by excluding him. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:54 MrDudeMan wrote: But isn't denying great players an entry into a tournament because of your personal opinion bad for esports? Well no because there is more than 1 good Starcraft 2 player. Cut your nose to spite your face? If your fine with sacrificing viewers and the potential to gain new fans by excluding Idra from it then fine. Personally I like your casting but I also like Idra (except when he doesn't GG boxer). I really don't give a flying fuck what you think of him or what he thinks of you and I'm sure there are a lot of other people like me out there, I watch tournaments for entertaining games + casters, the former half you will lose somihe of by excluding him. The first tournament did just fine without IdrA in it so it's not really an issue. | ||
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EnderCraft
United States1746 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:47 Mailing wrote: For someone who spouts "ESPORTS" a lot, no it's not Typically, in an invitational you want to include big names to attract viewership. That is what he is going to do. However, since it is being financed from his own pocket, if one of those said players doesn't respect TB, why should TB give one thousand dollars of his own money to somebody who doesn't respect him, and who always spouts ignorant/ego fueled comments at him all the time? The tourney can get viewership without IdrA. Why does he need to be in the tournament? TB's first invitational had 20k consistent viewers without IdrA. That's better than NASL on most days... As far as i'm concerned he's still doing great things for ESPORTs, and among the general gaming community in general. I honestly don't know an individual who puts forth more effort into the general gaming community than TB. You have to respect the guy for the work he does neither way, he does A LOT of good things for the industry... Really saddens me when a guy like TB works his butt off everyday only to get shat on by ignorant people like IdrA and other various people with the maturity level of a 12 year old. | ||
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Mashmed
Sweden198 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:54 MrDudeMan wrote: But isn't denying great players an entry into a tournament because of your personal opinion bad for esports? If it was an open tournament and someone was excluded I would have a problem with it. But if it is an invite tournament then the creator can invite whom ever he want... | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:57 Mashmed wrote: If it was an open tournament and someone was excluded I would have a problem with it. But if it is an invite tournament then the creator can invite whom ever he want... Yeah, I sort of wasn't aware it was just an 8 man invitational. | ||
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walklightwhat
Australia752 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:48 Heaton31 wrote: So basically how NASL hand picked their players? If I run a tournament and put up the money myself and only want to invite people starting with the letter A I can do that because... it's my tournament. Yep, basically. But I did say it's fine, and it is. I was just basically asking for clarification / criticizing the guy before him for the whole "he started it" crap. It's needless, childish drama about one dude and his opinion. Heaven forbid. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:59 walklightwhat wrote: Yep, basically. But I did say it's fine, and it is. I was just basically asking for clarification / criticizing the guy before him for the whole "he started it" crap. It's needless, childish drama about one dude and his opinion. Heaven forbid. Look I get it, the whole thing is childish which is why I ended it. My fault in the matter was not ending it immediately and actually exchanging a reply with IdrA. Trust me, there's nothing I'd love more than to get into a good old fashioned flamewar but it helps nobody. | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:59 walklightwhat wrote: Yep, basically. But I did say it's fine, and it is. I was just basically asking for clarification / criticizing the guy before him for the whole "he started it" crap. It's needless, childish drama about one dude and his opinion. Heaven forbid. eh, delete. | ||
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