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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
I'd be pretty irritated if my guest dashed off after he had enough and deserted the whole stream/show. I don't blame Destiny for getting mad, it was pretty heated; but djwheat also had reasons to get mad too. That's my perception, I didn't even get to the hi-5 part. | ||
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MrSourGit
England135 Posts
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
On October 24 2012 16:17 iNcontroL wrote: Actually my "bad reputation" has made me one of the most followed, listened to and publicized figures in SC2. You want to take another crack at pretending I am not doing this right? you like being popular off your bad reputation? | ||
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1handsomE
United States199 Posts
On October 24 2012 16:25 itiswhatitis wrote: I just STILL don't get your logic. You're still operating under the assumption that better handling = better game. I explained why that isn't so automatically in very simple terms. People like what they like. If I'm not into a game, I won't prefer it over a game I am into, regardless of whether or not I think the company manages the game better. I love sc2 and prefer it over most games, but that definitely doesn't mean I think sc2 is the best handled game out there by their company, far from it. I am saying you have to quantify. You haven't quantified. All you have said (and re read your own posts if you don't believe me) is that riot handles it better and that other places can handle their products better too. You didn't say how or why. Because you ONLY said the word better, I am left to assume that better handling = better result. But the bottom line is I am leading you on to troll yourself. If you come in and say anything else like 'they pay x money and have x feature,' I can simply say, well clearly it's not better handling since you don't like the game better. It doesn't matter what methods they use, if they had monkeys write all their code and never maintained it, and you still like the game (or product) better, than sorry to say, looks like money codes was the better handling. | ||
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Haee
522 Posts
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Tantaburs
Canada1825 Posts
On October 24 2012 16:27 jmbthirteen wrote: but destiny's point is also that SC2 is dying because its not at LoL numbers.... SC2 will never be at LoL's numbers unless it become free to play it is pointless to try and match them. No matter what you add to SC2 you cannot get better value then free. | ||
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BliptiX
Canada324 Posts
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On October 24 2012 16:29 TheDraken wrote: you like being popular off your bad reputation? If he indeed becomes popular in doing it, as you said yourself he was, why not?  | ||
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Matoo-
Canada1397 Posts
But video games are different. Video games have a short lifespan. It's not like NBA compared to NFL, where even if one is 10 times smaller than the other it's still gonna be there in decades with the same loyal viewership. SC2 being small doesn't just mean having 10k viewers instead of 100k viewers. SC2 being small means that in 5 years there might be little to no high-level SC2 content left to watch, instead of going strong for 10 or 15 years. Esports are all about making an epic run. I don't follow or care for SC2 much so I'll leave it to everyone to figure out how SC2's run is gonna be. | ||
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TheWorldToCome
United States452 Posts
On October 24 2012 16:18 IdrA wrote: its a good point, he just didnt get the opportunity to carry the analogy through because everything was getting all stupid. geoff mentioned the reasons, separately, earlier in the show. marketing people are not stupid, they do not just look at viewers and allot money to them proportionately, or put all of their money into whatever has the highest viewership. their goal is to sell products, pure exposure is good and with lol (and american idol) you get that purely because theres so many people watch. however if a big percentage of those people arent likely to buy your product whether you sponsor them or not, it's not really all that important how many people watch. lol has a younger audience, many of them are much more casual fans, they're less likely to have disposable income and less likely to buy a product purely because its attached to their game. sc2 as an esport has proven its a sustainable, quality product. big companies have invested in it before and are apparently happy with the returns as they keep investing and more companies keep coming in. the fanbase is not going to disappear even if it rises and falls, and its a very dedicated, passionate fanbase. so for the analogy, lol/american idol fans = 14 year old girls with no money, sc2/breaking bad fans = real people. I wasn't referring to the marketing aspect of the analogy though. I was talking about how Wheat said something like: if you want to make BB more like AI you would have the BB characters start singing randomly in the show or whatever. That was retarded. since we don't want to mess with the competitive aspect of sc2 that would degrade the overall quality of game play. You don't have to appeal to casuals in SC2 by changing the actual game itself, but rather you can give them more features that have nothing to do with the in game experience. Skins,clan support,automated tournaments, more team game map pool changes. | ||
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JPSke
United States54 Posts
On October 24 2012 16:31 BliptiX wrote: I listened to the mp3 to see what all the fuss was about and I don't get it. You gotta watch the video man. From what I can gather here the high five was a real turning point. | ||
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NexCa
Germany954 Posts
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itiswhatitis
United States136 Posts
On October 24 2012 16:30 1handsomE wrote: I am saying you have to quantify. You haven't quantified. All you have said (and re read your own posts if you don't believe me) is that riot handles it better and that other places can handle their products better too. You didn't say how or why. Because you ONLY said the word better, I am left to assume that better handling = better result. But the bottom line is I am leading you on to troll yourself. If you come in and say anything else like 'they pay x money and have x feature,' I can simply say, well clearly it's not better handling since you don't like the game better. It doesn't matter what methods they use, if they had monkeys write all their code and never maintained it, and you still like the game (or product) better, than sorry to say, looks like money codes was the better handling. This is really a pointless argument and I can tell you're the type who just argues for the sake of arguing, so I'm done. But you still don't make real sense. You just keep saying the same thing over and over, that if I prefer how company A handles their product, their product must be better... But that just simply isn't true, as I said. If I like sc2 and hate LoL, I can still appreciate some of the ways LoL is managed which sc2 is not. This whole code monkey thing too, it's just more crap, you're running with a concept you came up with yourself, not one that was even presented. Bliz does maintain their product, just not in the ways me (and many, many others) would like to see them do. Regardless of that, I still do think SC2 is a superior game. They can patch and patch and patch and give LoLers 5000 more things, but in the end it's still LoL and I still like sc2 better. | ||
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KlinKz
Canada149 Posts
On October 24 2012 16:31 Integra wrote: If he indeed becomes popular in doing it, as you said yourself he was, why not? Maybe because Idra and Incontrol not only represent themselves but represents team EG as a whole? esp. Incontrol who is captain and Idra who DESTINY even stated as THE best foreign player of SCBW, Idra is should be on the Hall of Fame but what I must ask is Idra are you really fcking happy as to were sc2 is? u get thousands of viewers that i understand but thats what a typical average LoL player gets daily. like blizzard listens to you guys so please say something for us the community | ||
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Scrabo
Northern Ireland11 Posts
On October 24 2012 16:28 Torte de Lini wrote: I thought DJwheat reacted that way because Destiny said his point and then bowed out before people could interject. I'd be pretty irritated if my guest dashed off after he had enough and deserted the whole stream/show. I don't blame Destiny for getting mad, it was pretty heated; but djwheat also had reasons to get mad too. That's my perception, I didn't even get to the hi-5 part. I don't understand the flak Wheat is getting. He was relatively calm (for Wheat) through the yelling match. He was clearly pissed about it and snapped when Destiny bounced. It was a lame cop out from Destiny to leave like that. Wheat snapped, turned the DjWheat to 11 and let it go in language that Destiny would be proud of. | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On October 24 2012 16:31 Integra wrote: If he indeed becomes popular in doing it, as you said yourself he was, why not? being popular because of bed rep is nothing to be proud of, especially when you try to pretend like you're this superman of the SC2 community. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On October 24 2012 16:32 Matoo- wrote: Weird that so many people are OK with SC2 being one of the smaller esports out there. I'm not an extremely competitive person myself and I could agree with this point of view regarding many other topics. But video games are different. Video games have a short lifespan. It's not like NBA compared to NFL, where even if one is 10 times smaller than the other it's still gonna be there in decades with the same loyal viewership. SC2 being small doesn't just mean having 10k viewers instead of 100k viewers. SC2 being small means that in 5 years there might be little to no high-level SC2 content left to watch, instead of going strong for 10 or 15 years. Esports are all about making an epic run. I don't care or follow SC2 much so I'll leave it to everyone to figure out how SC2's run is gonna be. but sc2 isn't one of the smaller esports out there. LoL is bigger. Thats it. Dota isn't there yet. No FPS games are close. The FGC isn't as big. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On October 24 2012 16:35 Ballistixz wrote: being popular because of bed rep is nothing to be proud of, especially when you try to pretend like you're this superman of the SC2 community. except he isn't popular because of his bad rep. | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On October 24 2012 16:32 Matoo- wrote: Weird that so many people are OK with SC2 being one of the smaller esports out there. I'm not an extremely competitive person myself and I could agree with this point of view regarding many other topics. But video games are different. Video games have a short lifespan. It's not like NBA compared to NFL, where even if one is 10 times smaller than the other it's still gonna be there in decades with the same loyal viewership. SC2 being small doesn't just mean having 10k viewers instead of 100k viewers. SC2 being small means that in 5 years there might be little to no high-level SC2 content left to watch, instead of going strong for 10 or 15 years. Esports are all about making an epic run. I don't care or follow SC2 much so I'll leave it to everyone to figure out how SC2's run is gonna be. One of the smaller out there? What are you smoking? Right now only LoL surpasses us, maybe DotA 2 will end up doing so as well. So two mobas, and aside from that? Nothing comes close. All this doomsaying is as a result of LoL overtaking us, as if not being number one means we are fucked. And that didn't even happen because SC2 had some disastrous fall, LoL just grew to heights that SC2 never reached. If LoL hadn't entered the picture we would all be perfectly happy with the size of the scene we have right now, the sheer amount of content that's out there. Suddenly because we are only second best, it's the end and SC2 is fucked? It's bullshit, and it's all that Destiny's ranting boiled down to, hammering on and on about how many viewers LoL gets as if eSports is a fucking Highlander film and there can only be one. | ||
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EntDreamin
New Zealand45 Posts
A few things... 1. Destiny is correct, he's terrible at saying things 2. Incontrol needs to open his eyes 3. DJ Wheat needs to calm down and listen to Destiny's points, he's right 4. Idra is right about the community needing to step up to improve things Blizzard won't improve 5. Incontrol, Wheat, and Destiny need to grow up a little. 6. Idra needs to act less smug, it's pretty disgusting 7. Painuser IS the peoples' champ. | ||
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