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On October 24 2012 15:29 Stormraught wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 14:47 iNcontroL wrote:
I didn't insult destiny the entire time. So tired of people being able to just post lies on forums. Yeah eyah you get ignored and nobody replies but fuck you.
I was insulting during my rant which was hammed to all fuck up. He then did the same thing during all of his rants where he injected personal insults yet I get all the credit?
ALSO what the FUCK. ONLY on the internet would a fucking high five be anything other than a stupid fucking joke. I DON'T ACTUALLY HIGH FIVE GUYS. I Haven't since highschool when I played football. STOP BEING SO NECK BEARDY Your conduct was disgusting along with wheat, steven's and Idra's. I was fully expecting a your mom joke right after that Dudemanbro 80's jock highfive, might as well call you the ogre from revenge of the nerds. It's shit like this what makes the community look like a fucking joke, throw it on the heap with Jessica.
IT WAS A FUCKING JOKE
HOLY FUCK I THINK I HEARD SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET WAS BEING SARCASTIC. YOU BETTER GO GET EM!
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On October 24 2012 14:53 zerglingrodeo wrote:
<3. For the record I appreciate your attempt to try to salvage the discussion as it was flying all over the place. It was a Herculean task to try to make a coherent argument happen. Good show.
Yeah they tried to approach Destiny in a discussion but it was just constant yelling and repetition of the same point. I came on late for the last 20mins and it was painfull listening to Destiny. He was clearly riled up to much and in huge amounts of hind sight maybe Wheat should have stepped in and tried to cut it short.
I don't really have any hate for any of them from this but Painuser seemed the most on point and calm.
Personally I think Blizz has a great opportunity to give a massive boost to the scene when Hots comes out. It will sell well as all Blizz games do. The mainstream gaming press and gamers will be all over it when it comes out. There will be ads on TV/streams/sites etc and hundreds of thousands of new eyes will be on Starcraft again for a while. If Blizz can put the competitive scene on the front page of all that in some form then we will get the bump we want.
If the large chunk of casual players who get the game and play the campaign + a few dozen custom games against the ai gets exposed to the gsl or dreamhack before they buggers off to the next big release they might get hooked on the scene.
There are lots of ideas for improving the game. I don't know what are the best ones to push for. I don't think there is any harm in sending them to Blizzard. They know what might work, what won't but at least they know how to best please us. It's up to them what they want to or are capable of doing.
Either way it is way to early to say the sky is falling. There are going to be a lot of eyes on us and we need to be best dressed when the big day comes. If nobody shows up or it is a disaster then we can get drunk and trash the bar screaming.
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On October 24 2012 15:23 MuR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 14:58 MaestroSC wrote:On October 24 2012 14:33 VanGarde wrote:On October 24 2012 14:28 MaestroSC wrote:
Destiny: Less people are watching SC2
DjWheat: WRONG! More people watch all things on twitchtv than before.
Didnt even acknowledge the question at all. im at roughly 1:20:00 in the vod if anyone wants to check...
He didnt acknowledge SC2 streams specifically at all, because Idra, Geoff, and PainUser ALL would have agreed with what Destiny said, but Wheat heard the question and substituted his own Wow did no one take elementary school math? So if I have 100 apples and I divide them evenly and put into 10 baskets. Then someone takes out all of the apples and doubles the number of apples, adds 20 extra baskets and spreads the apples out evenly in all of the baskets. Destiny: The number of apples have gone down. DjWheat: No, the number of apples have actually increased but there are less in each single basket. Dertiny: Oh really?! Well ask basket number 4 then if it has more apples in it! maybe because your from Sweden you didnt understand my basic english.... Destiny said "Less people are watching SC2" and Wheats response was "More people are watching twitchtv and video games" Destiny was talking about SC2 and Wheat said "but more people are watching other games" he didnt even address what Steven said... I am not saying that Wheat was wrong. I am not saying that spreading an equal number across a greater variety = less. I am saying, Steven was talking about SC2 stream counts. Wheat wasnt. Steven wasnt saying "nobody watches twitch" he was saying "people arent watching SC2 on twitch as much" which is true,, and Wheat ignored what he said, just like you did. Congrats on being unable to comprehend what both I and Steven said. Why are you so petty? The instance you are referring to, where Wheat "misinterpreted" what destiny said, was probably for the good, as he chose instead to elaborate on a more relevant point. By the way, I found the point in the VOD to which you are referring, and here is the dialogue. Destiny: Ya, well, compared to maybe a couple years ago, but stream viewership numbers for everything is down now compared to six months ago... And then, Wheat made his point about how viewership is now diffused amongst various games, etc, and that stream numbers overall have risen. If you're going to be pedantic, at least get it right. Also, I think you understand the math, but its significance eludes you.
wheat was talking about twitch and twitch alone, he didnt not include other streaming sites.
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I wasn't able to watch the last episode from SotG, can anyone tell me exactly what happend until I am able to watch the VOD ?
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On October 24 2012 15:29 striyder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:21 KlinKz wrote:On October 24 2012 15:04 VanGarde wrote:
Meanwhile Destiny the champion of sc2 is streaming streaming LoL for all of the new viewers he has gotten out of this obvious marketing campaign for his own stream. Yah and he brings more to the community and more attention for sc2... not like any LoL player would want to play SC2 due to skill level differences, and if Destiny were to become "pro" with a pro team (lol @ destiny and teamwork) and be a LoL player my hypothesis would be that Destiny WOULD infact GAIN more viewers than he would now... Note though, just compare LoL (skill-less game compared to SC2) and SC2 viewership. Tournments are up high but I have NEVER seen a LIVE event of SC2 reach near or even over 200k viewers. If it did then I'm sorry for being Ignorant but if you compare Dream Hack events (LoL and Sc2) you will certainly notice the audience difference Hence the comment by idra that maybe destiny should just switch to LoL since he already knows Blizzard rarely does much. He doesn't even bring much to the sc2 community with all the recent past events it just makes it look worst at times.
thats the point that he wants to make "sc2" is a shit game because blizzard doesnt support it like LoL does and also Destiny does have his worst moments but comon there has been other dramas like MMA and Jessica atm.
What Destiny's Point is that the pro players (incontrol, idra, etc) are listened to by blizzard. I'm uncertain of how much but Destiny wants blizzard to please her casual gamers. He and can say most of us wants USM to be more supported. Custom maps and such are no where never creative as SCBW was with all the hacked map editors to create fanastic maps yet sc2 map editor is crazy but no real maps have shown though
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Why don't we spend 14 more pages talking about bullshit and drama instead of addressing the real issue at hand.
SC2 is in comparative if not actual decline. It went from a flagship for E-sports to a major competitor to a somewhat nostalgic tertiary figure in 18 months. Its direct competitors have out-innovated it, out-marketed it, and out-positioned it with a free to play model, integrated advertising, LAN support, and a social integration within their client.
More importantly, the developers behind the two games dominating the current E-Sports market are incredibly responsive and engage with their playerbase regularly. Riot, much like Blizzard, develops at a glacial pace, but they do so while, for the most part, keeping their customers in the loop and maintaining a positive relationship. Blizzard's quality of game has fallen off a cliff, they don't listen to literally anyone, and for their last four releases I would wager to say customer satisfaction has been majorly lacking.
What does this all have to do with Destiny's point, and ITG's reaction? Well everyone on the show agreed that Blizzard sucks, they aren't communicative, and that they would like changes to be made. However the crux of their argument seemed to be that Destiny went about advocating for that change in the wrong way. He was over the top. He was doom and gloom. He made up statistics. This is all fine, but their corrective measures seemed to be to tell Destiny that "This isn't the way to do it". The problem is that the way the ITG guys are advocating is the way they've been trying to do it for two years, and it clearly isn't working. So maybe Destiny made some mistakes in how he framed his argument, but his overall point about the need to somehow spur Blizzard into action remains. While the SC2 scene certainly isn't going to disappear it is going to be left further and further behind by existing and up and coming competitors who are being actively developed for, who do bring in casual players, who do monetize their product without a major up front cost, and who understand the power of integration within the game client itself.
So I ask those of you who care about the Starcraft scene, what can we do about it? It seems to be that now, when Blizzard is finishing development and starting their marketing campaign for a new, premium expansion, is the exact right time to apply a little pressure. They want to sell those boxes, yet they refuse to engage with the community in any meaningful sort of way and address the concerns that are dragging this game down. When, if not now, are we going to figure out a way to get the support from Blizzard we need? Or is it as IdrA said, a lost cause, Blizzard won't change no matter what we do, and we're all wasting our time playing/following/spectating on a game that has very little development support and no real hope of long term growth?
Or, you know, keep calling each other shitheads and worrying about who started it.
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I think we can all agree that Blizzard is doing a poor job. I understands Destiny's frustrations, and thought he acted poorly on ITG. But as far as his post goes, pointing out what was wrong with the SC2 scene, I think most of it was pretty much right on the money, I'd read more of an analysis of what is wrong, as opposed to what needs to be done. Which is a completely different question. I felt the arguments that Geoff had regarding SC:BW "community" vs SC2 community, in reference to stream numbers was a pretty moot point. SC2 may have been the "starting" for esports streaming, but the implication from Wheat and Geoff was that another game wouldn't of just started it. Look at streaming tech now, I seriously doubt youtube streaming the debates on line, looked at esports streaming and was like "dude, got a brilliant idea, stream debate online!", the idea is not as innovative as DjWheat, and Geoff made it out to be. Also, I dislike the comparison to Breaking Bad to American Idol, if Breaking Bad was on basic cable, no doubt it could haul in some sick numbers, sure maybe not American Idol numbers, but wayyyyyyyy more, probably double? That's still a huge change from current numbers.
Also as far as Geoff's experience on the community goes from SC:BW. I bought the original vanilla SC, then SC:BW, as a kid. Played the campaign, had fun on UMS. Didn't really follow pro-scene at all, but I knew who Boxer was, and who Yellow was, pretty much most of the big names. Even during Savior era of dominance, I knew who these players were, despite not really watching any of the games. It's like I don't really watch Soccer at all, but I know who Messi, Beckham, Rooney, Ronaldo, Caca, etc etc. The slight knowledge of legendary BW is what drew me into the pro-scene of SC2, and the experience was similar for my friends as well. I think Geoff's analysis of what "majority" of BW casual was some what correct, but it didn't account for the movement of BW Casuals to SC2 followers.
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On October 24 2012 15:33 JPSke wrote:
Why don't we spend 14 more pages talking about bullshit and drama instead of addressing the real issue at hand.
SC2 is in comparative if not actual decline. It went from a flagship for E-sports to a major competitor to a somewhat nostalgic tertiary figure in 18 months. Its direct competitors have out-innovated it, out-marketed it, and out-positioned it with a free to play model, integrated advertising, LAN support, and a social integration within their client.
More importantly, the developers behind the two games dominating the current E-Sports market are incredibly responsive and engage with their playerbase regularly. Riot, much like Blizzard, develops at a glacial pace, but they do so while, for the most part, keeping their customers in the loop and maintaining a positive relationship. Blizzard's quality of game has fallen off a cliff, they don't listen to literally anyone, and for their last four releases I would wager to say customer satisfaction has been majorly lacking.
What does this all have to do with Destiny's point, and ITG's reaction? Well everyone on the show agreed that Blizzard sucks, they aren't communicative, and that they would like changes to be made. However the crux of their argument seemed to be that Destiny went about advocating for that change in the wrong way. He was over the top. He was doom and gloom. He made up statistics. This is all fine, but their corrective measures seemed to be to tell Destiny that "This isn't the way to do it". The problem is that the way the ITG guys are advocating is the way they've been trying to do it for two years, and it clearly isn't working. So maybe Destiny made some mistakes in how he framed his argument, but his overall point about the need to somehow spur Blizzard into action remains. While the SC2 scene certainly isn't going to disappear it is going to be left further and further behind by existing and up and coming competitors who are being actively developed for, who do bring in casual players, who do monetize their product without a major up front cost, and who understand the power of integration within the game client itself.
So I ask those of you who care about the Starcraft scene, what can we do about it? It seems to be that now, when Blizzard is finishing development and starting their marketing campaign for a new, premium expansion, is the exact right time to apply a little pressure. They want to sell those boxes, yet they refuse to engage with the community in any meaningful sort of way and address the concerns that are dragging this game down. When, if not now, are we going to figure out a way to get the support from Blizzard we need? Or is it as IdrA said, a lost cause, Blizzard won't change no matter what we do, and we're all wasting our time playing/following/spectating on a game that has very little development support and no real hope of long term growth?
Or, you know, keep calling each other shitheads and worrying about who started it.
Do you like LoL better than SC2? Your argument hinges on it, so I am curious.
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On October 24 2012 15:30 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:28 AxelTVx wrote:On October 24 2012 15:18 iNcontroL wrote:On October 24 2012 15:08 AxelTVx wrote:On October 24 2012 14:47 iNcontroL wrote:
I didn't insult destiny the entire time. So tired of people being able to just post lies on forums. Yeah eyah you get ignored and nobody replies but fuck you.
I was insulting during my rant which was hammed to all fuck up. He then did the same thing during all of his rants where he injected personal insults yet I get all the credit?
ALSO what the FUCK. ONLY on the internet would a fucking high five be anything other than a stupid fucking joke. I DON'T ACTUALLY HIGH FIVE GUYS. I Haven't since highschool when I played football. STOP BEING SO NECK BEARDY What the fuck happened to "OH HERP DERP I'M NOT DOING STATE OF THE GAME BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO CAUSE DRAMA. I'M THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON SO I SAY WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT, AND THAT GET'S ME IN TROUBLE" Seriously? You wanted to avoid drama, and you come up with this shit when you have no idea what the casual gamer wants. Do you really think you can speak for all the casual gamers out there? Destiny certainly can't speak for us either, but when you tried to make yourself the voice of us (similar to what steven did), you just made yourself look completely retarded. It pains me to see you act like this when you're obviously smarter than this stupid bullshit. lol It's best you don't use my own words for your evidence. I usually keep a pretty good record of the context  I am not trying to avoid ALL drama as that is impossible. Just reduce it by not being on the show that has more drama (sotg) and instead be on only one show (itg). nice try though lol. All I can say is have fun with your PR team. Said the all caps "herp derp" guy
Well you're the one who's going to get in shit for all this, so why should I care really? It's pretty obvious that the PR team is going to make you apologize, regardless of your thoughts/damage control.
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On October 24 2012 15:30 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:29 Stormraught wrote:On October 24 2012 14:47 iNcontroL wrote:
I didn't insult destiny the entire time. So tired of people being able to just post lies on forums. Yeah eyah you get ignored and nobody replies but fuck you.
I was insulting during my rant which was hammed to all fuck up. He then did the same thing during all of his rants where he injected personal insults yet I get all the credit?
ALSO what the FUCK. ONLY on the internet would a fucking high five be anything other than a stupid fucking joke. I DON'T ACTUALLY HIGH FIVE GUYS. I Haven't since highschool when I played football. STOP BEING SO NECK BEARDY Your conduct was disgusting along with wheat, steven's and Idra's. I was fully expecting a your mom joke right after that Dudemanbro 80's jock highfive, might as well call you the ogre from revenge of the nerds. It's shit like this what makes the community look like a fucking joke, throw it on the heap with Jessica. IT WAS A FUCKING JOKE HOLY FUCK I THINK I HEARD SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET WAS BEING SARCASTIC. YOU BETTER GO GET EM!
a joke that was completely uncalled for. why would you get up in the middle of an argument to high 5 someone that agrees with you joke or not? you know who destiny is so you should have known how rage inducing that would be to pretty much anyone let alone destiny.
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On October 24 2012 15:30 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:29 Stormraught wrote:On October 24 2012 14:47 iNcontroL wrote:
I didn't insult destiny the entire time. So tired of people being able to just post lies on forums. Yeah eyah you get ignored and nobody replies but fuck you.
I was insulting during my rant which was hammed to all fuck up. He then did the same thing during all of his rants where he injected personal insults yet I get all the credit?
ALSO what the FUCK. ONLY on the internet would a fucking high five be anything other than a stupid fucking joke. I DON'T ACTUALLY HIGH FIVE GUYS. I Haven't since highschool when I played football. STOP BEING SO NECK BEARDY Your conduct was disgusting along with wheat, steven's and Idra's. I was fully expecting a your mom joke right after that Dudemanbro 80's jock highfive, might as well call you the ogre from revenge of the nerds. It's shit like this what makes the community look like a fucking joke, throw it on the heap with Jessica. IT WAS A FUCKING JOKE HOLY FUCK I THINK I HEARD SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET WAS BEING SARCASTIC. YOU BETTER GO GET EM!
We understand that it was a joke.... it was just a joke at the expense of another person...
Most people call that "wrong".
I thought it was most insulting to Painuser tho... because it was the first time in the entire call that he was allowed to speak, since he was the only one not shouting over everyone...and you took off your headset and walked away in the middle of his point
If someone said "incholesterol" and another guy walked over and gave him a high five... would you care if he said it was a joke?
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On October 24 2012 15:35 1handsomE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:33 JPSke wrote:
Why don't we spend 14 more pages talking about bullshit and drama instead of addressing the real issue at hand.
SC2 is in comparative if not actual decline. It went from a flagship for E-sports to a major competitor to a somewhat nostalgic tertiary figure in 18 months. Its direct competitors have out-innovated it, out-marketed it, and out-positioned it with a free to play model, integrated advertising, LAN support, and a social integration within their client.
More importantly, the developers behind the two games dominating the current E-Sports market are incredibly responsive and engage with their playerbase regularly. Riot, much like Blizzard, develops at a glacial pace, but they do so while, for the most part, keeping their customers in the loop and maintaining a positive relationship. Blizzard's quality of game has fallen off a cliff, they don't listen to literally anyone, and for their last four releases I would wager to say customer satisfaction has been majorly lacking.
What does this all have to do with Destiny's point, and ITG's reaction? Well everyone on the show agreed that Blizzard sucks, they aren't communicative, and that they would like changes to be made. However the crux of their argument seemed to be that Destiny went about advocating for that change in the wrong way. He was over the top. He was doom and gloom. He made up statistics. This is all fine, but their corrective measures seemed to be to tell Destiny that "This isn't the way to do it". The problem is that the way the ITG guys are advocating is the way they've been trying to do it for two years, and it clearly isn't working. So maybe Destiny made some mistakes in how he framed his argument, but his overall point about the need to somehow spur Blizzard into action remains. While the SC2 scene certainly isn't going to disappear it is going to be left further and further behind by existing and up and coming competitors who are being actively developed for, who do bring in casual players, who do monetize their product without a major up front cost, and who understand the power of integration within the game client itself.
So I ask those of you who care about the Starcraft scene, what can we do about it? It seems to be that now, when Blizzard is finishing development and starting their marketing campaign for a new, premium expansion, is the exact right time to apply a little pressure. They want to sell those boxes, yet they refuse to engage with the community in any meaningful sort of way and address the concerns that are dragging this game down. When, if not now, are we going to figure out a way to get the support from Blizzard we need? Or is it as IdrA said, a lost cause, Blizzard won't change no matter what we do, and we're all wasting our time playing/following/spectating on a game that has very little development support and no real hope of long term growth?
Or, you know, keep calling each other shitheads and worrying about who started it. Do you like LoL better than SC2? Your argument hinges on it, so I am curious.
Really? After he wrote all that, that's what you respond with? He didn't even say he liked it better. The post is right there to re-read...
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Only people as petty as destiny fans would get so worked up over a high five. Leagues better then listening to some egotistical stream performer meltdown and resort to some absurd high pitch , screechy , curse ridden , babble, repeating the same shit over and over again.
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On October 24 2012 15:28 MaestroSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:23 MuR wrote:On October 24 2012 14:58 MaestroSC wrote:On October 24 2012 14:33 VanGarde wrote:On October 24 2012 14:28 MaestroSC wrote:
Destiny: Less people are watching SC2
DjWheat: WRONG! More people watch all things on twitchtv than before.
Didnt even acknowledge the question at all. im at roughly 1:20:00 in the vod if anyone wants to check...
He didnt acknowledge SC2 streams specifically at all, because Idra, Geoff, and PainUser ALL would have agreed with what Destiny said, but Wheat heard the question and substituted his own Wow did no one take elementary school math? So if I have 100 apples and I divide them evenly and put into 10 baskets. Then someone takes out all of the apples and doubles the number of apples, adds 20 extra baskets and spreads the apples out evenly in all of the baskets. Destiny: The number of apples have gone down. DjWheat: No, the number of apples have actually increased but there are less in each single basket. Dertiny: Oh really?! Well ask basket number 4 then if it has more apples in it! maybe because your from Sweden you didnt understand my basic english.... Destiny said "Less people are watching SC2" and Wheats response was "More people are watching twitchtv and video games" Destiny was talking about SC2 and Wheat said "but more people are watching other games" he didnt even address what Steven said... I am not saying that Wheat was wrong. I am not saying that spreading an equal number across a greater variety = less. I am saying, Steven was talking about SC2 stream counts. Wheat wasnt. Steven wasnt saying "nobody watches twitch" he was saying "people arent watching SC2 on twitch as much" which is true,, and Wheat ignored what he said, just like you did. Congrats on being unable to comprehend what both I and Steven said. Why are you so petty? The instance you are referring to, where Wheat "misinterpreted" what destiny said, was probably for the good, as he chose instead to elaborate on a more relevant point. By the way, I found the point in the VOD to which you are referring, and here is the dialogue. Destiny: Ya, well, compared to maybe a couple years ago, but stream viewership numbers for everything is down now compared to six months ago... And then, Wheat made his point about how viewership is now diffused amongst various games, etc, and that stream numbers overall have risen. If you're going to be pedantic, at least get it right. Also, I think you understand the math, but its significance eludes you. Because by "everything" he wasnt referring exclusively to SC2? Please see my post about context. Do you really think the man WHOSE MAIN POINT was "LoL IS GROWING AND SC2 IS DYING" is implying that ALL games/streams viewcounts are down? If you really believe that Steven was arguing for viewership about other games... then there is nothing I can do to help you understand anything. Congrats on using another quote out of context... you should be a journalist.
Destiny was referring to SC2, I am aware of this, but you fabricated dialogue, which I corrected. Destiny's language was not so straightforward at that point, he said "everything", which is ambiguous, and it was misinterpreted by Wheat.
The ironic thing here, my friend, is that you speak of context. If you had actually weighed in on the arguments, you would know that, despite this mishap in semantics, which is petty, DjWheat's retort was relevant to the overall argument.
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On October 24 2012 15:35 AxelTVx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:30 iNcontroL wrote:On October 24 2012 15:28 AxelTVx wrote:On October 24 2012 15:18 iNcontroL wrote:On October 24 2012 15:08 AxelTVx wrote:On October 24 2012 14:47 iNcontroL wrote:
I didn't insult destiny the entire time. So tired of people being able to just post lies on forums. Yeah eyah you get ignored and nobody replies but fuck you.
I was insulting during my rant which was hammed to all fuck up. He then did the same thing during all of his rants where he injected personal insults yet I get all the credit?
ALSO what the FUCK. ONLY on the internet would a fucking high five be anything other than a stupid fucking joke. I DON'T ACTUALLY HIGH FIVE GUYS. I Haven't since highschool when I played football. STOP BEING SO NECK BEARDY What the fuck happened to "OH HERP DERP I'M NOT DOING STATE OF THE GAME BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO CAUSE DRAMA. I'M THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON SO I SAY WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT, AND THAT GET'S ME IN TROUBLE" Seriously? You wanted to avoid drama, and you come up with this shit when you have no idea what the casual gamer wants. Do you really think you can speak for all the casual gamers out there? Destiny certainly can't speak for us either, but when you tried to make yourself the voice of us (similar to what steven did), you just made yourself look completely retarded. It pains me to see you act like this when you're obviously smarter than this stupid bullshit. lol It's best you don't use my own words for your evidence. I usually keep a pretty good record of the context I am not trying to avoid ALL drama as that is impossible. Just reduce it by not being on the show that has more drama (sotg) and instead be on only one show (itg). nice try though lol. All I can say is have fun with your PR team. Said the all caps "herp derp" guy Well you're the one who's going to get in shit for all this, so why should I care really? It's pretty obvious that the PR team is going to make you apologize, regardless of your thoughts/damage control.
Want to bet 500$? "The PR team" who do you think that is on EG?
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DJ wheat, tournament streaming for video games existed before starcraft 2. Are you kidding me? People watched CS 1.6, CS source, Halo 1-2-3, COD, Smash Bros, Street Fighter, Tekken all BEFORE stracraft 2 was released. ARE YOU THAT BLIND? ARE YOU STUPID? I respected you and incontrol alot before this show but honestly you both + destiny acted like little children.
Ever heard of EVO or MLG?
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On October 24 2012 15:36 MaestroSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:30 iNcontroL wrote:On October 24 2012 15:29 Stormraught wrote:On October 24 2012 14:47 iNcontroL wrote:
I didn't insult destiny the entire time. So tired of people being able to just post lies on forums. Yeah eyah you get ignored and nobody replies but fuck you.
I was insulting during my rant which was hammed to all fuck up. He then did the same thing during all of his rants where he injected personal insults yet I get all the credit?
ALSO what the FUCK. ONLY on the internet would a fucking high five be anything other than a stupid fucking joke. I DON'T ACTUALLY HIGH FIVE GUYS. I Haven't since highschool when I played football. STOP BEING SO NECK BEARDY Your conduct was disgusting along with wheat, steven's and Idra's. I was fully expecting a your mom joke right after that Dudemanbro 80's jock highfive, might as well call you the ogre from revenge of the nerds. It's shit like this what makes the community look like a fucking joke, throw it on the heap with Jessica. IT WAS A FUCKING JOKE HOLY FUCK I THINK I HEARD SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET WAS BEING SARCASTIC. YOU BETTER GO GET EM! We understand that it was a joke.... it was just a joke at the expense of another person... Most people call that "wrong". I thought it was most insulting to Painuser tho... because it was the first time in the entire call that he was allowed to speak, since he was the only one not shouting over everyone... If someone said "incholesterol" and another guy walked over and gave him a high five... would you care if he said it was a joke?
Great example. I sure as fuck wouldn't care about the high-five AT ALL. But.. had he like, patted his butt? Or maybe winked.. fuck it dude. I go cave man.
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Incontrol with your attitude you've proved you can be as low as the lowest members of the community , on which you frown upon.
I know you're not going to admit you behaved inappropriately ( even if you realize it ) , but just drop the "Oh, I'm being trolled by the community" act.
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On October 24 2012 15:30 1handsomE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:27 KlinKz wrote:On October 24 2012 15:21 1handsomE wrote:
Destiny was improfessional and not level-headed. And the way he exited the show was downright horrendous. I can't even believe someone with so little success and a completely failed career (in many ways, including the twitter fiasco) has so much clout. If SC2 is fail then leave, but please bring your doom bringing to LoL with you. He like most ppl in this drama have apologized for their actions. (but gotta notice both sides were irritating the other side boiling up into a verbal argument) YOU MUST realize that Destiny is actually making a living off his stream, than living off a team. He is like entertainment for us but he does in fact bring up valid arguments for the casual players. (eg. like how after 2 years of the realize of WOTL blizzard has done nothing (maybe 1.5 patch) for us). I wish there was Cat and Mouse...  CPU CAT VS MOUSE lol I love that map Well, to clarify I was specfically talking about his pro gaming career. If people watch his stream, I feel sorry for them.
Lol way to attack me, but I wont argue with you because I'm a casual gamer, blizzard has done nothing for us and I'm glad that atleast someone that is known is fighting for us and is literately fighting and arguing on our sake by showing how LoL appeases her fans and Blizzard does shit games like D3 and nothing for SC2 (I remember LAN petitions, I signed them to no avail).
PS, I love destiny's stream so be very truly daringly sorry for me. cause I do deserve it
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On October 24 2012 15:38 FreedomMurder wrote:
DJ wheat, tournament streaming for video games existed before starcraft 2. Are you kidding me? People watched CS 1.6, CS source, Halo 1-2-3, COD, Smash Bros, Street Fighter, Tekken all BEFORE stracraft 2 was released. ARE YOU THAT BLIND? ARE YOU STUPID? I respected you and incontrol alot before this show but honestly you both + destiny acted like little children.
Go re listen. He didn't say SC2 invented online streaming. Before you lose more respect points you should fact check yourself. You completely missed his point.
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