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On October 24 2012 15:17 NathanaelOlsen wrote:
Note to self, do not become well known within the community otherwise you will only end up being criticized.
Though it might have come across to some people that they went over the top to Destiny, let me remind you that Destiny started this whole thing with an over the top message about how Starcraft 2 is SCREWED unless the things he suggested come true. Personal attacks came on both sides even if Destiny was out numbered.
You are allowed to get heated in a debate, otherwise debates would be boring. The bottom line is that everyone want's to see Blizzard be more active but just have different approaches on doing something.
lets be honest with our selves here. who started the personal attacks and insults? i think if ppl stayed calm and intelligent to begin with instead of crack stupid, lame, and un funny jokes and give un needed high 5s this would have turned out alot differently.
obviously all parties were at fault (except painuser) so it is stupid to point fingers, but what im basically trying to say is that if everyone in that argument was like painuser this would have been a pretty good debate.
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On October 24 2012 15:08 AxelTVx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 14:47 iNcontroL wrote:
I didn't insult destiny the entire time. So tired of people being able to just post lies on forums. Yeah eyah you get ignored and nobody replies but fuck you.
I was insulting during my rant which was hammed to all fuck up. He then did the same thing during all of his rants where he injected personal insults yet I get all the credit?
ALSO what the FUCK. ONLY on the internet would a fucking high five be anything other than a stupid fucking joke. I DON'T ACTUALLY HIGH FIVE GUYS. I Haven't since highschool when I played football. STOP BEING SO NECK BEARDY What the fuck happened to "OH HERP DERP I'M NOT DOING STATE OF THE GAME BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO CAUSE DRAMA. I'M THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON SO I SAY WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT, AND THAT GET'S ME IN TROUBLE" Seriously? You wanted to avoid drama, and you come up with this shit when you have no idea what the casual gamer wants. Do you really think you can speak for all the casual gamers out there? Destiny certainly can't speak for us either, but when you tried to make yourself the voice of us (similar to what steven did), you just made yourself look completely retarded. It pains me to see you act like this when you're obviously smarter than this stupid bullshit.
lol
It's best you don't use my own words for your evidence. I usually keep a pretty good record of the context  I am not trying to avoid ALL drama as that is impossible. Just reduce it by not being on the show that has more drama (sotg) and instead be on only one show (itg).
nice try though
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On October 24 2012 15:11 TheDraken wrote:
there was no substance. the only thing coming out of the "core" sc2 community is a bunch of hollow garbage. destiny kept trying to get people to fucking figure that out and these two "elite figureheads" of the community did their usual and inanely stood by their egos.
I just want you to understand that nobody, not destiny, not reddit or the scene in general benefits from tedious fanboy posts like these. there is literally nothing of substance, somewhat ironically, in what you're saying to the point where I can't even hazard a guess as to what you could mean. I legitimately feel bad when a destiny supporter accuses other personalities of ego worship when the man's own ego got him onto the show last minute to be "insulted" in the first place.
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Please don't ever get destiny on the show again. A bunch of incoherent yelling and cursing.
Props for the rest of the crew for keeping calm.
edit: and as always painuser is being clueless
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On October 24 2012 15:04 VanGarde wrote:
Meanwhile Destiny the champion of sc2 is streaming streaming LoL for all of the new viewers he has gotten out of this obvious marketing campaign for his own stream.
Yah and he brings more to the community and more attention for sc2... not like any LoL player would want to play SC2 due to skill level differences, and if Destiny were to become "pro" with a pro team (lol @ destiny and teamwork) and be a LoL player my hypothesis would be that Destiny WOULD infact GAIN more viewers than he would now...
Note though, just compare LoL (skill-less game compared to SC2) and SC2 viewership. Tournments are up high but I have NEVER seen a LIVE event of SC2 reach near or even over 200k viewers. If it did then I'm sorry for being Ignorant but if you compare Dream Hack events (LoL and Sc2) you will certainly notice the audience difference
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Destiny was improfessional and not level-headed. And the way he exited the show was downright horrendous. I can't even believe someone with so little success and a completely failed career (in many ways, including the twitter fiasco) has so much clout. If SC2 is fail then leave, but please bring your doom bringing to LoL with you.
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On October 24 2012 15:15 MaestroSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:11 VanGarde wrote:On October 24 2012 15:05 MaestroSC wrote:On October 24 2012 15:02 VanGarde wrote:On October 24 2012 14:58 MaestroSC wrote:On October 24 2012 14:33 VanGarde wrote:On October 24 2012 14:28 MaestroSC wrote:
Destiny: Less people are watching SC2
DjWheat: WRONG! More people watch all things on twitchtv than before.
Didnt even acknowledge the question at all. im at roughly 1:20:00 in the vod if anyone wants to check...
He didnt acknowledge SC2 streams specifically at all, because Idra, Geoff, and PainUser ALL would have agreed with what Destiny said, but Wheat heard the question and substituted his own Wow did no one take elementary school math? So if I have 100 apples and I divide them evenly and put into 10 baskets. Then someone takes out all of the apples and doubles the number of apples, adds 20 extra baskets and spreads the apples out evenly in all of the baskets. Destiny: The number of apples have gone down. DjWheat: No, the number of apples have actually increased but there are less in each single basket. Dertiny: Oh really?! Well ask basket number 4 then if it has more apples in it! maybe because your from Sweden you didnt understand my basic english.... Destiny said "Less people are watching SC2" and Wheats response was "More people are watching twitchtv and video games" Destiny was talking about SC2 and Wheat said "but more people are watching other games" he didnt even address what Steven said... I am not saying that Wheat was wrong. I am not saying that spreading an equal number across a greater variety = less. I am saying, Steven was talking about SC2 stream counts. Wheat wasnt. Steven wasnt saying "nobody watches twitch" he was saying "people arent watching SC2 on twitch as much" which is true,, and Wheat ignored what he said, just like you did. Congrats on being unable to comprehend what both I and Steven said. OMG YES HE DID RESPOND. Pointing out that more people is watching twitch IS THE RESPONSE. Because because streaming is becoming more and more popular and easier to do more people are watching streams in general but there are also WAY MORE STREAMS. There are less viewers on sc2 pro player streams because many of those viewers are also watching other things, this is the fact for all streaming, streaming in general is growing but being more spread out so everyone gets less views at any one point. They might still have the same number of followers but people might tune in and watch one game and then watch a halflife speedrun on another stream instead of watching only a player stream for 5 hours straight. Ya he responded with irrelevant information. If I say "Baseball viewership is down" Saying "but sports viewership as a whole is up" is not even acknowledging what I said. I am speaking for the viewership of a single isolated sport. I am not interested in the viewership of other sports. I am currently discussing the viewership of baseball. This is the same as saying "Man basketball sucks" and someone responds with "No way, football is fucking awsome" Really? Is this real life? It is like talking to a wall. I cant dumb it down for you anymore, I am sorry. Maybe you should get someone to translate it for you. I understand that people are watching other games on Twitchtv.... but it STILL means less people are watching SC2 which was Destiny's point.
Keep on trying to insult me with nationalistic undertones that helps your credibility. I understand english perfectly well thank you.
Destiny's point was with the added baggage that the views on sc2 are down because the game is dying. Wheat pointed out that streaming is expanding massively but it is also spreading out way more to new streams thus with the result that there are less viewers for EVERYONE so if numbers are going down for sc2 or not has nothing to do with sc2 at all. Wheat's explanation is obviously relevant because he was explaining the dynamics of stream counts alltogether.
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On October 24 2012 14:58 MaestroSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 14:33 VanGarde wrote:On October 24 2012 14:28 MaestroSC wrote:
Destiny: Less people are watching SC2
DjWheat: WRONG! More people watch all things on twitchtv than before.
Didnt even acknowledge the question at all. im at roughly 1:20:00 in the vod if anyone wants to check...
He didnt acknowledge SC2 streams specifically at all, because Idra, Geoff, and PainUser ALL would have agreed with what Destiny said, but Wheat heard the question and substituted his own Wow did no one take elementary school math? So if I have 100 apples and I divide them evenly and put into 10 baskets. Then someone takes out all of the apples and doubles the number of apples, adds 20 extra baskets and spreads the apples out evenly in all of the baskets. Destiny: The number of apples have gone down. DjWheat: No, the number of apples have actually increased but there are less in each single basket. Dertiny: Oh really?! Well ask basket number 4 then if it has more apples in it! maybe because your from Sweden you didnt understand my basic english.... Destiny said "Less people are watching SC2" and Wheats response was "More people are watching twitchtv and video games" Destiny was talking about SC2 and Wheat said "but more people are watching other games" he didnt even address what Steven said... I am not saying that Wheat was wrong. I am not saying that spreading an equal number across a greater variety = less. I am saying, Steven was talking about SC2 stream counts. Wheat wasnt. Steven wasnt saying "nobody watches twitch" he was saying "people arent watching SC2 on twitch as much" which is true,, and Wheat ignored what he said, just like you did. Congrats on being unable to comprehend what both I and Steven said.
Why are you so petty? The instance you are referring to, where Wheat "misinterpreted" what destiny said, was probably for the good, as he chose instead to elaborate on a more relevant point.
By the way, I found the point in the VOD to which you are referring, and here is the dialogue.
Destiny: Ya, well, compared to maybe a couple years ago, but stream viewership numbers for everything is down now compared to six months ago...
And then, Wheat made his point about how viewership is now diffused amongst various games, etc, and that stream numbers overall have risen.
If you're going to be pedantic, at least get it right.
Also, I think you understand the math, but its significance eludes you.
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On October 24 2012 15:20 theJob wrote:
Please don't ever get destiny on the show again. A bunch of incoherent yelling and cursing.
Props for the rest of the crew for keeping calm.
you're not serious are you? calling someone a pussy or stupid and yelling at the top of your lungs is staying calm? the only calm person on the show was pain user. is say idra to, but that dude never shows any emotion. he is a robot
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On October 24 2012 15:21 1handsomE wrote:
Destiny was improfessional and not level-headed. And the way he exited the show was downright horrendous. I can't even believe someone with so little success and a completely failed career (in many ways, including the twitter fiasco) has so much clout. If SC2 is fail then leave, but please bring your doom bringing to LoL with you.
He like most ppl in this drama have apologized for their actions. (but gotta notice both sides were irritating the other side boiling up into a verbal argument) YOU MUST realize that Destiny is actually making a living off his stream, than living off a team. He is like entertainment for us but he does in fact bring up valid arguments for the casual players. (eg. like how after 2 years of the realize of WOTL blizzard has done nothing (maybe 1.5 patch) for us). I wish there was Cat and Mouse...  CPU CAT VS MOUSE lol I love that map
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On October 24 2012 15:18 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:08 AxelTVx wrote:On October 24 2012 14:47 iNcontroL wrote:
I didn't insult destiny the entire time. So tired of people being able to just post lies on forums. Yeah eyah you get ignored and nobody replies but fuck you.
I was insulting during my rant which was hammed to all fuck up. He then did the same thing during all of his rants where he injected personal insults yet I get all the credit?
ALSO what the FUCK. ONLY on the internet would a fucking high five be anything other than a stupid fucking joke. I DON'T ACTUALLY HIGH FIVE GUYS. I Haven't since highschool when I played football. STOP BEING SO NECK BEARDY What the fuck happened to "OH HERP DERP I'M NOT DOING STATE OF THE GAME BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO CAUSE DRAMA. I'M THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON SO I SAY WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT, AND THAT GET'S ME IN TROUBLE" Seriously? You wanted to avoid drama, and you come up with this shit when you have no idea what the casual gamer wants. Do you really think you can speak for all the casual gamers out there? Destiny certainly can't speak for us either, but when you tried to make yourself the voice of us (similar to what steven did), you just made yourself look completely retarded. It pains me to see you act like this when you're obviously smarter than this stupid bullshit. lol It's best you don't use my own words for your evidence. I usually keep a pretty good record of the context I am not trying to avoid ALL drama as that is impossible. Just reduce it by not being on the show that has more drama (sotg) and instead be on only one show (itg). nice try though
lol.
All I can say is have fun with your PR team.
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Everyone knew what would happen once they brought Destiny in on the call. Expecting some sort of clear, concise discussion from such opinionated personalities is just silly and the same can be said about everyone who is up in arms about the episode. Whether you feel as though one person was right and another was wrong it was never going to come to the surface since everyone was too busy blowing up at each other.
Also Wheat I love you man but you're going to stroke out if you keep exploding like you did tonight. Not saying you're wrong or right but that vein was at critical mass.
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On October 24 2012 15:23 MuR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 14:58 MaestroSC wrote:On October 24 2012 14:33 VanGarde wrote:On October 24 2012 14:28 MaestroSC wrote:
Destiny: Less people are watching SC2
DjWheat: WRONG! More people watch all things on twitchtv than before.
Didnt even acknowledge the question at all. im at roughly 1:20:00 in the vod if anyone wants to check...
He didnt acknowledge SC2 streams specifically at all, because Idra, Geoff, and PainUser ALL would have agreed with what Destiny said, but Wheat heard the question and substituted his own Wow did no one take elementary school math? So if I have 100 apples and I divide them evenly and put into 10 baskets. Then someone takes out all of the apples and doubles the number of apples, adds 20 extra baskets and spreads the apples out evenly in all of the baskets. Destiny: The number of apples have gone down. DjWheat: No, the number of apples have actually increased but there are less in each single basket. Dertiny: Oh really?! Well ask basket number 4 then if it has more apples in it! maybe because your from Sweden you didnt understand my basic english.... Destiny said "Less people are watching SC2" and Wheats response was "More people are watching twitchtv and video games" Destiny was talking about SC2 and Wheat said "but more people are watching other games" he didnt even address what Steven said... I am not saying that Wheat was wrong. I am not saying that spreading an equal number across a greater variety = less. I am saying, Steven was talking about SC2 stream counts. Wheat wasnt. Steven wasnt saying "nobody watches twitch" he was saying "people arent watching SC2 on twitch as much" which is true,, and Wheat ignored what he said, just like you did. Congrats on being unable to comprehend what both I and Steven said. Why are you so petty? The instance you are referring to, where Wheat "misinterpreted" what destiny said, was probably for the good, as he chose instead to elaborate on a more relevant point. By the way, I found the point in the VOD to which you are referring, and here is the dialogue. Destiny: Ya, well, compared to maybe a couple years ago, but stream viewership numbers for everything is down now compared to six months ago... And then, Wheat made his point about how viewership is now diffused amongst various games, etc, and that stream numbers overall have risen. If you're going to be pedantic, at least get it right. Also, I think you understand the math, but its significance eludes you.
Because by "everything" he wasnt referring exclusively to SC2?
Please see my post about context.
Do you really think the man WHOSE MAIN POINT was "LoL IS GROWING AND SC2 IS DYING" is implying that ALL games/streams viewcounts are down?
If you really believe that Steven was arguing for viewership about other games... then there is nothing I can do to help you understand anything.
Congrats on using another quote out of context... you should be a journalist.
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On October 24 2012 15:14 TheDraken wrote:
they don't coexist. because there's something called money that fuels tournaments and teams. if you want to stick to sc2 when it's just a handful of college dorm groups holding competitions in cafeterias, be my guest.
this is so fucking absurd
if it's seriously that much of a given, shouldn't the scene have imploded already when the viewer counts on the LoL S2 finals came in? if you're going to say it's gradual, not only does that contradict your all-or-nothing position that you generalize onto sponsors - the most profitable ad revenue or bust, right now! - you should point out the signs that indicate this beginning trend or previous models/phenomena that imitate it. please do not link to reddit at any point, thank you.
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On October 24 2012 15:18 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:17 NathanaelOlsen wrote:
Note to self, do not become well known within the community otherwise you will only end up being criticized.
Though it might have come across to some people that they went over the top to Destiny, let me remind you that Destiny started this whole thing with an over the top message about how Starcraft 2 is SCREWED unless the things he suggested come true. Personal attacks came on both sides even if Destiny was out numbered.
You are allowed to get heated in a debate, otherwise debates would be boring. The bottom line is that everyone want's to see Blizzard be more active but just have different approaches on doing something.
lets be honest with our selves here. who started the personal attacks and insults? i think if ppl stayed calm and intelligent to begin with instead of crack stupid, lame, and un funny jokes and give un needed high 5s this would have turned out alot differently. obviously all parties were at fault (except painuser) so it is stupid to point fingers, but what im basically trying to say is that if everyone in that argument was like painuser this would have been a pretty good debate.
Destiny had a choice to be on the show to begin with. He obviously would've known that the group of people he was coming to argue against had a very different opinion then his own. I agree that everyone didn't need to react the way they did but just because one person responded to poorly to another person, it doesn't mean that the other person should stoop to the other person's level.
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On October 24 2012 15:21 KlinKz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:04 VanGarde wrote:
Meanwhile Destiny the champion of sc2 is streaming streaming LoL for all of the new viewers he has gotten out of this obvious marketing campaign for his own stream. Yah and he brings more to the community and more attention for sc2... not like any LoL player would want to play SC2 due to skill level differences, and if Destiny were to become "pro" with a pro team (lol @ destiny and teamwork) and be a LoL player my hypothesis would be that Destiny WOULD infact GAIN more viewers than he would now... Note though, just compare LoL (skill-less game compared to SC2) and SC2 viewership. Tournments are up high but I have NEVER seen a LIVE event of SC2 reach near or even over 200k viewers. If it did then I'm sorry for being Ignorant but if you compare Dream Hack events (LoL and Sc2) you will certainly notice the audience difference
Hence the comment by idra that maybe destiny should just switch to LoL since he already knows Blizzard rarely does much. He doesn't even bring much to the sc2 community with all the recent past events it just makes it look worst at times.
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On October 24 2012 14:47 iNcontroL wrote:
I didn't insult destiny the entire time. So tired of people being able to just post lies on forums. Yeah eyah you get ignored and nobody replies but fuck you.
I was insulting during my rant which was hammed to all fuck up. He then did the same thing during all of his rants where he injected personal insults yet I get all the credit?
ALSO what the FUCK. ONLY on the internet would a fucking high five be anything other than a stupid fucking joke. I DON'T ACTUALLY HIGH FIVE GUYS. I Haven't since highschool when I played football. STOP BEING SO NECK BEARDY
Your conduct was disgusting along with wheat, steven's and Idra's. I was fully expecting a your mom joke right after that Dudemanbro 80's jock highfive, might as well call you the ogre from revenge of the nerds.
It's shit like this what makes the community look like a fucking joke, throw it on the heap with Jessica.
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On October 24 2012 15:28 AxelTVx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:18 iNcontroL wrote:On October 24 2012 15:08 AxelTVx wrote:On October 24 2012 14:47 iNcontroL wrote:
I didn't insult destiny the entire time. So tired of people being able to just post lies on forums. Yeah eyah you get ignored and nobody replies but fuck you.
I was insulting during my rant which was hammed to all fuck up. He then did the same thing during all of his rants where he injected personal insults yet I get all the credit?
ALSO what the FUCK. ONLY on the internet would a fucking high five be anything other than a stupid fucking joke. I DON'T ACTUALLY HIGH FIVE GUYS. I Haven't since highschool when I played football. STOP BEING SO NECK BEARDY What the fuck happened to "OH HERP DERP I'M NOT DOING STATE OF THE GAME BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO CAUSE DRAMA. I'M THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON SO I SAY WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT, AND THAT GET'S ME IN TROUBLE" Seriously? You wanted to avoid drama, and you come up with this shit when you have no idea what the casual gamer wants. Do you really think you can speak for all the casual gamers out there? Destiny certainly can't speak for us either, but when you tried to make yourself the voice of us (similar to what steven did), you just made yourself look completely retarded. It pains me to see you act like this when you're obviously smarter than this stupid bullshit. lol It's best you don't use my own words for your evidence. I usually keep a pretty good record of the context I am not trying to avoid ALL drama as that is impossible. Just reduce it by not being on the show that has more drama (sotg) and instead be on only one show (itg). nice try though lol. All I can say is have fun with your PR team.
Said the all caps "herp derp" guy
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On October 24 2012 15:27 KlinKz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:21 1handsomE wrote:
Destiny was improfessional and not level-headed. And the way he exited the show was downright horrendous. I can't even believe someone with so little success and a completely failed career (in many ways, including the twitter fiasco) has so much clout. If SC2 is fail then leave, but please bring your doom bringing to LoL with you. He like most ppl in this drama have apologized for their actions. (but gotta notice both sides were irritating the other side boiling up into a verbal argument) YOU MUST realize that Destiny is actually making a living off his stream, than living off a team. He is like entertainment for us but he does in fact bring up valid arguments for the casual players. (eg. like how after 2 years of the realize of WOTL blizzard has done nothing (maybe 1.5 patch) for us). I wish there was Cat and Mouse... CPU CAT VS MOUSE lol I love that map
Well, to clarify I was specfically talking about his pro gaming career. If people watch his stream, I feel sorry for them.
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