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CaptainCharisma
New Zealand808 Posts
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TheSir
1830 Posts
On April 04 2012 22:16 Grumbels wrote: Your post is nonsensical. You say it's "never going to happen" because e-sports isn't recognized yet. I think it is recognized in Korea, for one, and I'm not sure what's preventing, say, the Swedish government from working together with an event like DreamHack. and "nothing can be done about it".. why not? Because people keep saying it can't? Starcraft 2 is a completely different game from poker, I'm not sure what the two have in common. All in all, your post is just putting your fingers inside your ear and screaming "STOP TALKING ABOUT IT, STOP IT NOW". Not to say I'm in favor of it, but at least please try to give some actual argument. Esports recognized in Korea? By who? Sure as hell not by any anti-doping organization or federation and that wouldn't even matter, it needs to be recognized by national and international anti-doping committees. Governments dont have jack to do with it besides funding and researching so the Swedish government could work together with Dreamhack but it wouldn't mean anything. Esports (Starcraft) and poker are very similar (ask Elky and Raszi if you dont believe so), thats why i made the comparison. Both games are strategic mind games and both for example have the same problem that a large part of their games cant even be controlled by doping committees (online games, non-official games etc) or do you want so players need to fill in forms 24/7 so committees know where they are so they can be checked anytime all over the world? yeah right..... Just stop about it all or tell me how the hell with genuine arguments you want to implement anti-doping in esports atm? You cant, it's just not possible and we are not even close to make it possible and thats why it doesn't make sense to talk about it cause there is nothing to talk about other then useless arguing like this with people who have no clue and come with arguments that kids on playgrounds create rules..... Crawl, walk and then you run, but esports is not even at the part that they can walk up tall in the world. | ||
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Niiza
United Kingdom60 Posts
Cost is not an issue. $400 for the top 4 players to be screened to legitimize a tournament is alread possible. If the competition starts to be seen as unfair due to drugs, sponsors will start pulling out. Then surely something would be done. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On April 04 2012 22:52 TheSir wrote: Esports recognized in Korea? By who? Sure as hell not by any anti-doping organization or federation and that wouldn't even matter, it needs to be recognized by national and international anti-doping committees. Governments dont have jack to do with it besides funding and researching so the Swedish government could work together with Dreamhack but it wouldn't mean anything. Esports (Starcraft) and poker are very similar (ask Elky and Raszi if you dont believe so), thats why i made the comparison. Both games are strategic mind games and both for example have the same problem that a large part of their games cant even be controlled by doping committees (online games, non-official games etc) or do you want so players need to fill in forms 24/7 so committees know where they are so they can be checked anytime all over the world? yeah right..... Just stop about it all or tell me how the hell with genuine arguments you want to implement anti-doping in esports atm? You cant, it's just not possible and we are not even close to make it possible and thats why it doesn't make sense to talk about it cause there is nothing to talk about other then useless arguing like this with people who have no clue and come with arguments that kids on playgrounds create rules..... Crawl, walk and then you run, but esports is not even at the part that they can walk up tall in the world. What the hell? Nobody is claiming to abide by WADA codes and regulations nor is it legally necessary to do so | ||
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Aakoz
Sweden45 Posts
Then it IS already an issue so I don't get this talk about it not being an issue yet and that esport isn't ready for it O.o | ||
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Rocor
United States55 Posts
Interesting topic about the drug testing. One thing to consider is that it is very very easy to get prescribed mind altering drugs. So any gamer that wants to get a boost can easily go see a doctor. It is much different than getting caught with steroids or growth hormones as those are pretty hard to justify as needed. I think drug use in games is a problem, but with our current 'pill-first' health system it would be very hard to police. however there is some balance as what goes up (unnaturally) will come down... usually crashing down.. | ||
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xlava
United States676 Posts
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
On April 04 2012 22:52 TheSir wrote: Esports recognized in Korea? By who? Sure as hell not by any anti-doping organization or federation and that wouldn't even matter, it needs to be recognized by national and international anti-doping committees. Governments dont have jack to do with it besides funding and researching so the Swedish government could work together with Dreamhack but it wouldn't mean anything. Esports (Starcraft) and poker are very similar (ask Elky and Raszi if you dont believe so), thats why i made the comparison. Both games are strategic mind games and both for example have the same problem that a large part of their games cant even be controlled by doping committees (online games, non-official games etc) or do you want so players need to fill in forms 24/7 so committees know where they are so they can be checked anytime all over the world? yeah right..... Just stop about it all or tell me how the hell with genuine arguments you want to implement anti-doping in esports atm? You cant, it's just not possible and we are not even close to make it possible and thats why it doesn't make sense to talk about it cause there is nothing to talk about other then useless arguing like this with people who have no clue and come with arguments that kids on playgrounds create rules..... Crawl, walk and then you run, but esports is not even at the part that they can walk up tall in the world. You sir are incredibly ignorant and flat out wrong. Esports is recognized in Korea by the government itself, not only by the people. Quote from wikipedia: "KeSPA was founded in 2000 after the approval of the Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism. Its official goal is to make e-Sports an official sporting event, and to solidify the commercial position of e-Sports in all sectors" For better or for worse and despite all the controversy behind it, Kespa has managed to achieve those goals, players are well payed, their interests protected, teams are found sponsors or, if necessary backed up by Kespa itself etc. And this isn't related only to BW, Kespa can and will support any other games. On the topic of performance enhancing drugs, the usage of these should be stopped and discouraged as soon as possible as is done in every other conventional sport. I'm not sure if the tournament organizers have the financial power to yet do so but once its possible it should be a priority. I'm also surprised no one mentioned their talk about "Breath of the gameplay in SC2" and the "fewer resource per base" concept. It was interesting to hear Wheat and IdrA's opinion on the matter, it seems like they have a very positive view of the idea. However I would have liked some better responses from InControl and PainUser. For one, the proponent of the idea, and many more of us know that it will require some re-balancing and what not and we also are aware that it is very, very hard to get backing for it. I know that InControl feels like it could never work, I don't mind, we all know that we have to work hard to push the idea to be noticed, but it would have been nice if, at least Geoff would have tried to look at the positive side of the spectrum, and if he considers the possible advantages of the idea to out weight the downsides. Like suppose everything is or could be balanced relatively easy, would you prefer fewer resources per base, or the current system? Lastly, while you believe adamantly that Blizzard would flat out reject this pro mod, I want to remind you that they are actually open to the idea. A Blizzard dev contacted one of the map makers and said that, if enough people take an interest in this idea then Blizzard will consider backing it up. They definitely shown an interest so it would be nice if we all keep an open mind about it. | ||
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mememolly
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
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k!llua
Australia895 Posts
The idea of the topic isn't whether it's a problem: the real problem is when Sundance is forced to answer questions from breakfast shows on CNN, Fox and MSNBC about what Major League Gaming is doing in regards to drugs. It's not really about whether there's an epidemic of Aderall or meth abusers taking home the trophy - it's whether we as a community and the organisations that run our tournaments have a strong enough framework to deflect the criticism from mainstream media when they come calling - and one day, they will come calling. If the answers aren't good enough, sponsors will run for the hills to avoid their name being mentioned next to drugs. That's the real issue. | ||
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son1dow
Lithuania322 Posts
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Darksteel
Finland319 Posts
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sdecker32
United States38 Posts
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son1dow
Lithuania322 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 05 2012 01:38 sdecker32 wrote: I like incontrol, but he often seems pretty condescending towards painuser. anyone agree? Yep, that is correct but, it is not out of a lack of respect. They are friends and that is how Geoff acts with his friends. He is also condescending and trolls Artosis, much like brother do. I wouldn't read into it to much. | ||
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Aemilia
344 Posts
On April 04 2012 13:10 Hashbaz wrote: Episode 37 MP3 is up! http://itg-audio.blogspot.com/2012/04/inside-game-37.html Soundcloud: http://snd.sc/HYevLz Torrent: http://db.tt/FVxe4WoL Thanks so much. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
On April 05 2012 00:26 mememolly wrote: it was interesting to hear that only gsl ask for your phone before u go in the booth, so sketchy and unprofessional for tourneys not to do this If you are truly focused stuff like that would do more bad then good. So it's not for the truly good players anyway. Ps Painuser his Deckard Cain imitation was spot on, incontrol's was so bad tho :D. | ||
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
On April 05 2012 00:31 k!llua wrote: I feel like the point was missed re. drugs somewhat. The idea of the topic isn't whether it's a problem: the real problem is when Sundance is forced to answer questions from breakfast shows on CNN, Fox and MSNBC about what Major League Gaming is doing in regards to drugs. It's not really about whether there's an epidemic of Aderall or meth abusers taking home the trophy - it's whether we as a community and the organisations that run our tournaments have a strong enough framework to deflect the criticism from mainstream media when they come calling - and one day, they will come calling. If the answers aren't good enough, sponsors will run for the hills to avoid their name being mentioned next to drugs. That's the real issue. Do you really think that the next time Sundance is interviewed by the major news outlets (whenever that is) he'll get asked about doping in ESPORTS? Really? Seriously? I know our news organizations are reaching for viewers (CNN lost half of their viewers, Fox almost 20%), but come on. Even they wouldn't stoop low enough to grab a hold of a small problem and blow it up like MLG should be testing everyone in the Open Bracket. On April 05 2012 00:55 son1dow wrote: I dislike how you guys ignored PainUser when he was actually ready to discuss the esports games topic. We've been laughing about mobile games and other shitty "esports" ventures all along. In this early stage of esports, doing "whatever is marketable" might make sense, but a little farther down the road we might regret we didn't solidify what we value in our games. I guess it's not a stance a sponsored man can take. They dismissed Painuser because he was about to say that only Starcraft is an esport, and Incontrol shot that point down. What else is there to talk about? It's a ridiculous stance to take anyway, like Incontrol said. Who are we to say LoL isn't an esport? Soul Caliber V? They take their own skills to master, and they're all getting crowds that support their pros as legitimate masters of the game. If Moscow 5 are supported by the 250,000 LoL viewers from IEM, can we really shit on them because we don't think the game is any good? That's a really pretentious point of view to take. Also, blaming their answers on the fact that they're sponsored is so incredibly delusional. EG doesn't have a LoL team, so Incontrol could have shit on it if he wanted to. And besides, the douche who asked the question was so disrespectful and obviously only asked the question so that he could say LoL wasn't an esport on air. He wasn't looking for a discussion, so any "discussion" was dead on arrival. | ||
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AdroiT
United States77 Posts
On April 04 2012 13:10 Hashbaz wrote: Episode 37 MP3 is up! http://itg-audio.blogspot.com/2012/04/inside-game-37.html Soundcloud: http://snd.sc/HYevLz Torrent: http://db.tt/FVxe4WoL Thank you sir, you are awesome! You should try to get in contact with wheat and maybe you can be in charge of the podcast feed! | ||
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