EPTOn October 26 2011 09:50 Whole wrote:
goatlust said the question I wanted to ask! <3
goatlust said the question I wanted to ask! <3
+1
I just hope it won't fuck up the whole scene. Interesting to hear what the pro's say.
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
+1 I just hope it won't fuck up the whole scene. Interesting to hear what the pro's say. | ||
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kiy0
Portugal593 Posts
And here we are... | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
I tried to call in but couldn't get through. I feel like the existence of the unit is going to shut down a lot of terran openers in the TvP matchup, since it copies all upgrades the unit has even if terran hasn't researched them yet. He opens banshees and you can cloak banshee harass him, even if he hasn't researched cloak yet. EDIT: Oh shit, 3,000th post. | ||
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Horse...falcon
United States1851 Posts
On October 26 2011 09:51 windsupernova wrote: What strategic options the units could open up? Instead of: ¨Its bad¨ ¨Its OP¨ *Generic sarcastic comment* They did comment on that. Painuser is the only person who got to actually play the build and he told us what he thought of each unit. He came up with some strats for using shredder with the typical tank pushes. Wheat/Machine/Incontrol didn't play the build at all, they know just as much as you and I do about the new units. On October 26 2011 09:52 kiy0 wrote: Yet another reason why E-Sports is still considered kids stuff. Allowing this kind of language in a live broadcast, not only from the callers but also sometimes from the casters is just unacceptable on social level. "Shit" and "fucking" are soo unnecessary... no.0 And here we are... Jesus why are there so many whiny bitches today? | ||
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
On October 26 2011 09:52 kiy0 wrote: Yet another reason why E-Sports is still considered kids stuff. Allowing this kind of language in a live broadcast, not only from the callers but also sometimes from the casters is just unacceptable on social level. "Shit" and "fucking" are soo unnecessary... no.0 And here we are... Are you really from Portugal? There is a warning when you open the stream that mature language may appear. If you don't like it, then don't watch. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
But seriously. I realize that the oracle and arc cannon could be tweaked and used to be the most op things in the universe. However, that's not going to last for very long, and I worry that it's going to vacillate very quickly between extremely strong and extremely weak. Think about the oracle, it's a point and click mining denier. You make that too strong and the other races will blow a gasket, make it too weak and it won't be worth the pixels it was rendered in. The Zerg units seem very well designed to me. I can easily see them being strong yet not ridiculous (barring a few BC shenanigans). Terran only got damage units and those are easily tweaked. Plus, Terran didn't really lose anything, gained some new tools and didn't really need anything. Zerg lost some dead weight and gained some new stuff. Protoss lost stuff and is expecting these new units not only to replace the lost units but fill other needed roles. | ||
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romanov
Netherlands892 Posts
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On October 26 2011 09:54 Horse...falcon wrote: They did comment on that. Painuser is the only person who got to actually play the build and he told us what he thought of each unit. He came up with some strats for using shredder with the typical tank pushes. Wheat/Machine/Incontrol didn't play the build at all, they know just as much as you and I do about the new units. Jesus why are there so many whiny bitches today? I know some of them didn't play the HotS demo. But at least I expected some more thoughtful discussion instead of what we got. What I expected: -Discussion on what new strategies the new units and abilities open up with educated Theorycrafting. What I got: -Sarcasm, balance whining on units that are not even in Alpha. - Some yellow... well I can't even call it journalism as it is a talk show. I guess I set what I expected too high.I don't hate the show, I don't dislike them but what was seen today was no different than usual Forum banter. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
incontrol mentioned MvC.Incoming Reddit drama? XD | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On October 26 2011 09:51 windsupernova wrote: What strategic options the units could open up? Instead of: ¨Its bad¨ ¨Its OP¨ *Generic sarcastic comment* They did... if I recall correctly they had comments along the lines of - Shredder can be used to protect flanks of the terran army, advancing slow pushes etc. - Viper can be used to pull units out and kill them, pretty ridiculous Yes, they stated that some units were powerful and others were bad but they DID discuss strategic application of the units. | ||
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Cuiu
Germany410 Posts
it was very entertaining ^^ @windsupernova what do you expect ? as you said they didn't played hots and they didn't even knew the full changes. you can not think of mega metagaming strategy shit on the spot. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On October 26 2011 10:05 Tektos wrote: They did... if I recall correctly they had comments along the lines of - Shredder can be used to protect flanks of the terran army, advancing slow pushes etc. - Viper can be used to pull units out and kill them, pretty ridiculous Yes, they stated that some units were powerful and others were bad but they DID discuss strategic application of the units. Yeah, but the strategic discussion was more on the backseat. On the shredder example, yeah you are right they mentioned both of those things. But what stood out more of that was them: Putting up the youtube video, say it it killed crap too fast, imply David Kim was ashamed of that because it was OP I guess? I didn't hate the show today, but I expected a more thoughtful discussion. | ||
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Tppz!
Germany1449 Posts
On October 26 2011 10:05 Tektos wrote: They did... if I recall correctly they had comments along the lines of - Shredder can be used to protect flanks of the terran army, advancing slow pushes etc. - Viper can be used to pull units out and kill them, pretty ridiculous Yes, they stated that some units were powerful and others were bad but they DID discuss strategic application of the units. Wel i think we expected more things like: "the new thor will be a perfect tool to break siege lines because of his high health and his aoe attack" or "removing the buildingattack from the reaper will remove reaperbunker rushes and make it to an scout unit only. especially removing the speed upgrade will remove its appearanec in any state of the game beyond the inital scoutreaper" it wasnt as much theorycrafting as expected. more making jokes and playing the "ignorant race or OP unit hater". But anyways it wasnt bad just not as great as i expected it to be. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On October 26 2011 10:14 Tppz! wrote: Wel i think we expected more things like: "the new thor will be a perfect tool to break siege lines because of his high health and his aoe attack" or "removing the buildingattack from the reaper will remove reaperbunker rushes and make it to an scout unit only. especially removing the speed upgrade will remove its appearanec in any state of the game beyond the inital scoutreaper" it wasnt as much theorycrafting as expected. more making jokes and playing the "ignorant race or OP unit hater". But anyways it wasnt bad just not as great as i expected it to be. But reaper bunker rushes are almost non existant in SC2 at the pro level, so saying that is worthless... And the reaper would be a harass unit not a scout only unit. The idea behind the health regen is to get in, kill some probes and then get out and regen any HP lost so you can harrass some more. <--- THEY MENTIONED THIS Yeah, they didn't mention the thor breaking siege lines but nobody is perfect, also there isn't infinite amounts of time for them to discuss every potential strategy of every new unit. They did discuss it a lot but obviously they can't mention EVERYTHING. People are just complaining unreasonably, it was a great episode. | ||
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
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TT1
Canada10011 Posts
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Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
On October 26 2011 09:52 kiy0 wrote: Yet another reason why E-Sports is still considered kids stuff. Allowing this kind of language in a live broadcast, not only from the callers but also sometimes from the casters is just unacceptable on social level. "Shit" and "fucking" are soo unnecessary... no.0 And here we are... Stop being so childish | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
Negativity is a bit necessary in situations like this. Would you prefer they sugar coat everything and pretend it's all fine and dandy so blizzard can pretend they did a good job and we can all pretend with the current setup of units HotS would be successful? I didn't get to see most of the show as I was casting, but what I did see was enjoyable. Thanks ITG! | ||
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Tppz!
Germany1449 Posts
On October 26 2011 10:27 Tektos wrote: But reaper bunker rushes are almost non existant in SC2 at the pro level, so saying that is worthless... And the reaper would be a harass unit not a scout only unit. The idea behind the health regen is to get in, kill some probes and then get out and regen any HP lost so you can harrass some more. <--- THEY MENTIONED THIS Yeah, they didn't mention the thor breaking siege lines but nobody is perfect, also there isn't infinite amounts of time for them to discuss every potential strategy of every new unit. They did discuss it a lot but obviously they can't mention EVERYTHING. People are just complaining unreasonably, it was a great episode. Reaperbunkerrushes are existant at pro level. especially in tvz on taldarim. and reaper without speed wont do anything after the opponent has a stalker or lingspeed | ||
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