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Jayrod
1820 Posts
In Code A this season the protoss record in the non-mirror matchups have been 8 wins 24 losses. That is the steep decline in the protoss results recently on the korean graphs. I can say with conviction protoss is about to enter another dark time =/ at the highest level in a broad sense. | ||
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Ctuchik
Sweden91 Posts
On May 03 2011 00:32 Mailing wrote: I want to ask OP where he got these results from, namely the PvZ of April 2011 http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65192 So far there has only been one PvZ in April in Code S, and in the Ro32 group stages, most protoss were knocked out by terrans. I can't really find any other games in korea besides world championships, in which terrans dominated everyone.. There are 44 recorded PvZ's in korea for april. 13 wins 31losses. + Show Spoiler + Date League ID Opponent Map 11-04-11 CotH StarTale Squirtle July Terminus RE 11-04-11 CotH StarTale Squirtle July Tal'Darim Altar 11-04-11 CotH StarTale Ace July Terminus RE 11-04-11 CotH StarTale Ace July Crossfire SE 11-04-11 CotH StarTale Ace July Tal'Darim Altar 11-04-17 CotH IM Younghwa Junwi iCCup Testbug 11-04-17 CotH IM Younghwa Junwi Metalopolis 11-04-17 CotH IM Younghwa horror Xel'Naga Cave.. 11-04-17 CotH IM Younghwa horror iCCup Testbug 11-04-17 CotH IM Younghwa horror Metalopolis 11-04-17 CotH IM Seed Junwi Xel'Naga Cave.. 11-04-17 CotH IM Seed Junwi iCCup Testbug 11-04-17 CotH IM Seed Junwi Metalopolis 11-04-17 CotH IM Seed horror iCCup Testbug 11-04-17 CotH IM Seed horror Metalopolis 11-04-17 CotH IM IMKing LosirA iCCup Testbug 11-04-17 CotH IM IMKing LosirA Metalopolis 11-04-19 2011 GSL Code S S3 MC TheWinD Metalopolis 1.1 11-04-20 2011 GSL Code A S3 Creator Leenock Dual Sight 11-04-20 2011 GSL Code A S3 Creator Leenock Crossfire SE 11-04-20 2011 GSL Code A S3 Creator Leenock Tal'Darim Alt.. 11-04-21 2011 GSL Code S S3 Alicia Zenio Xel'Naga Fort.. 11-04-21 2011 GSL Code S S3 HongUn Kyrix Terminus SE 11-04-21 2011 GSL Code S S3 Genius LosirA Xel'Naga Fort.. 11-04-22 2011 GSL Code A S3 Ace viOlet Xel'Naga Fort.. 11-04-22 2011 GSL Code A S3 Ace viOlet Tal'Darim Alt.. 11-04-22 FXO KotH Korea Lotze HayprO Xel'Naga Cave.. 11-04-22 FXO KotH Korea oGsHero mOOnGLaDe Xel'Naga Cave.. 11-04-23 2011 GSL Code S S3 SangHo Check Xel'Naga Cave.. 11-04-25 2011 GSL Code A S3 Squirtle CoCa Xel'Naga Fort.. 11-04-25 2011 GSL Code A S3 Squirtle CoCa Metalopolis 1.1 11-04-25 Asia Champions Tro.. Ace Junwi Unknown 11-04-25 Asia Champions Tro.. Lotze JookTo Terminus SE 11-04-25 Asia Champions Tro.. Lotze JookTo Tal'Darim Alt.. 11-04-25 Asia Champions Tro.. Vines True Xel'Naga Cave.. 11-04-25 Asia Champions Tro.. Vines True Terminus SE 11-04-26 2011 GSL Code S S3 HuK July Crossfire SE 11-04-28 2011 GSL Code S S3 Alicia LosirA Metalopolis 1.1 11-04-28 2011 GSL Code S S3 Alicia LosirA Terminus SE 11-04-30 2011 GSL Code S S3 anypro July Xel'Naga Cave.. 11-04-30 2011 GSL Code S S3 anypro July Metalopolis 1.1 11-04-30 2011 GSL Code S S3 anypro July Terminus SE | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On May 03 2011 00:56 SKC wrote: That post must be a joke, maybe San and Alicia but definatelly a shitload of Terrans like Hyperdub, Boxer, Clide, etc that either have one good run or haven't even showed anything besides a few Code A games or Team League games. A lot of the "Terran promises" may actually fail when time passes, like promisses always do. If you go that route, why not put Squirtle, Choya, Inca, Ace, etc? They had at least one good run, seemed promissing at the time, even if they are not the top Protosses. This is just so biased it can't be taken seriously, and doesn't even consider the fact that, if you believe in the imbalance, which I don't, maybe players like Tester would have more sucess as Terran and some of those Terrans wouldn't have the same sucess as Protoss. The korean sample is too small to start crying about anything, but the international sample definatelly says that all this Protoss OP QQ is weird, or at least premature, specially from Terrans, where the matchup has always been pretty damn close. PvZ hasn't really been stable so it's hard to say anything about it. Don't think it is imbalance, just easier to play Terran at higher levels than the other two races. NesTea even said it himself, I'm paraphrasing here, but in his interview with Artosis it went something along the lines of "Terran you can play a little bit and become a great player", "Protoss, if you work really hard and become really good at it, you will become unbeatable", "Zerg sad" | ||
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tarath
United States377 Posts
Every LR thread on TL is unreadable these days because its just 100 pages of balance whine, especially if a protoss wins. Maybe if everyone links to this thread someday TL will get over the QQ fest and we can go back to having a useful discussion about the game and stop crying imba every single time a player we like loses. | ||
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LastMan
90 Posts
On May 03 2011 01:00 Dommk wrote: Don't think it is imbalance, just easier to play Terran at higher levels than the other two races. NesTea even said it himself, I'm paraphrasing here, but in his interview with Artosis it went something along the lines of "Terran you can play a little bit and become a great player", "Protoss, if you work really hard and become really good at it, you will become unbeatable", "Zerg sad" getting really annoyed by this quote, mvp said terran is the weakest race so why dont u quote him, biased much? | ||
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DarkShadowz
Sweden321 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Striding Strider
United Kingdom787 Posts
On May 03 2011 01:00 Dommk wrote: NesTea even said it himself, I'm paraphrasing here, but in his interview with Artosis it went something along the lines of "Terran you can play a little bit and become a great player", "Protoss, if you work really hard and become really good at it, you will become unbeatable", "Zerg sad" You're spot on.  | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On May 03 2011 01:06 DarkShadowz wrote: Zerg is UP they never win anything really. Maybe early on in tournaments but as you could see in the tournament roundup they won one small cup? and got hardly any medal places. Terran and Protoss seem fine however I certainly think Blizzard is getting close to good balance. nope Idra only just won the IGN/IPL. Stop crying PLEASE -.- | ||
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Ctuchik
Sweden91 Posts
On May 03 2011 00:50 Noam wrote: The sample size from Korea being 1/8 of the international one makes a big difference, can't really use it imo. An interesting note is that on the international one there were 8346 games total: PvT - 3366 games - 40% ZvT - 2736 games - 33% ZvP - 2244 games - 27% Now considering that the grandmaster leagues have a somewhat balanced spread across the races, this shows that either less zergs are participating in tournaments, or less zergs are reaching the later rounds of tournaments (which TLPD stores information for). Is it possible for you to share with us how many mirror matches were for each race to see this clearly? For international: PvP - 1182 games ZvZ - 799 games TvT - 2018 games | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
i totally didnt expect such a t dominance at the end of last year and the PvZ stats are (at least for me) not understandable since i lose like 70% of my ZvP but it seems to be my fault really xDD | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
Calling it now so I can quote it later: those PvZ trends in Korea are going to go international. | ||
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Striding Strider
United Kingdom787 Posts
On May 03 2011 01:09 sVnteen wrote: but it seems to be my fault really xDD Bingo. | ||
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Keype
Sweden455 Posts
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
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Geovu
Estonia1344 Posts
On May 02 2011 23:59 TT1 wrote: lol right when the amulet nerf and infestor buff happened toss went to shit in korea ^^^^ It's just that outside of Korea all the zergs either don't use any infestors or they rush to 20+ of them and then amove then with their 20 lings and cry when they get killed. At least, that's my experience. | ||
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HardCorey
United States709 Posts
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On May 03 2011 01:05 LastMan wrote: getting really annoyed by this quote, mvp said terran is the weakest race so why dont u quote him, biased much? This isn't balance though....Don't think anyone thinks Terran is imbalanced, but there have been so many "great" Terran players when there has been so little for the other races, why is that? What NesTea said was right, other than MC how many very "solid" Protoss players do you have? Possibly Ace, maybe Alicia---keep in mind this is the most played race in Starcraft2 right now. What about Zerg? NesTa and Losira come to mind, but for Terran there are a plethora. The race isn't stronger than any of the other races, but it is a lot easier to be consistent and "solid" with than the other two, though keeping that in mind it doesn't take anything away from the tip top players like Bomber and MVP. Maybe in a few years it will cease to matter when people have gotten a lot better. | ||
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DarkShadowz
Sweden321 Posts
On May 03 2011 01:07 Jakkerr wrote: nope Idra only just won the IGN/IPL. Stop crying PLEASE -.- Ok they have one player. I never whine about balance anywhere else but I tihnk this is the thread to bring forward such thoughts. I just think it's really close to balanced but Zerg is doing worse then the other races in terms of actual tournament wins. They do have fewer players at high masters/GM so naturally they have less players pushing their development. But it's getting closer and closer to well balanced. | ||
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