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Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-02 15:06:29
May 02 2011 15:01 GMT
#21
Hey guys

edit, nevermind
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-02 15:03:12
May 02 2011 15:01 GMT
#22
~33% win in 700 game sample? yeesh. so imba!!
For the international graph, it's good to see the matchups are coming pretty close to 50/50; that's all we can really hope for
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4of8
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany256 Posts
May 02 2011 15:03 GMT
#23
Hmm interesting stats, waiting for the first Zergs to complain about them :D

Seems like sc2 is in fact getting more and more balanced at least in the international scene.
soullogik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1171 Posts
May 02 2011 15:03 GMT
#24
great job.

would love for you to add the major balance changes to the date part.

so we can see whats made a big difference
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Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-02 15:04:58
May 02 2011 15:03 GMT
#25
On May 03 2011 00:00 hmunkey wrote:
Another thing to note is that key protoss players like MC have been knocked into up/down in GSL, so they haven't really had many games in Korea lately. Since the KR TLPD is based almost all on GSL, that means there are basically no protoss games to chart.

So what we have are dozens of terran games and maybe 4 protoss matches.



Though it does seem weird, why would korean protoss fail so hard yet european and NA protoss are fine after the infestor buff?

It's not like korean zerg are even using infestors more often.
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vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
May 02 2011 15:03 GMT
#26
Wow, this is really cool. Had no idea protoss was like that in Korea
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Ctuchik
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden91 Posts
May 02 2011 15:03 GMT
#27
On May 03 2011 00:01 AlBundy wrote:
Hey guys

Don't forget that INTERNATIONAL TLPD includes the korean scene too. International tlpd = more games overall, thus more data.


Actually, it doesn't. It does include koreans that play in international tournaments though. Players like Ace and MC for example.
http://twitter.com/sc2statistics
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
May 02 2011 15:03 GMT
#28
Interesting statistics, though the Korean one has a significantly smaller sample size.
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stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-02 15:05:25
May 02 2011 15:04 GMT
#29
Foreign data is more accurate as many more games are being looked at. I'd love to know how many games are being looked at in PvZ over that last month in Korea? On average it could only be about 45 games, which isn't enough, so don't pay too much attention to that big swing. <_<
Ctuchik
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden91 Posts
May 02 2011 15:05 GMT
#30
On May 02 2011 23:58 hugman wrote:
Could you elaborate on what the graphs actually show, like for example how far back in time does the the win percentage in a given point include game from?

Or did you just calculate monthly win percentages and then interpolate the points?


There is only one data point per month yeah. I could do per week as well if anyone is interested, but that would be a VERY shaky line, as the number of a games per week is fairly low.
http://twitter.com/sc2statistics
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
May 02 2011 15:05 GMT
#31
Very interesting how close the international graph has drawn to 50% lately, that's pretty promising.

The Korean graph fluctuates too much as a result of the lack of tournaments they have on a regular basis, and as such I don't think you can really read too much into it. Interesting putting a context on the broad peaks and slumps though.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
May 02 2011 15:06 GMT
#32
On May 03 2011 00:03 Ctuchik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 00:01 AlBundy wrote:
Hey guys

Don't forget that INTERNATIONAL TLPD includes the korean scene too. International tlpd = more games overall, thus more data.


Actually, it doesn't. It does include koreans that play in international tournaments though. Players like Ace and MC for example.

Oh really ? my bad then.
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K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
May 02 2011 15:07 GMT
#33
Interesting.. it's funny that MVP says terran is the weakest but every statistic proves him wrong.

Zerg looks underpowered though and protoss aren't doing as well as everyone makes it sound.
Treehead
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
999 Posts
May 02 2011 15:07 GMT
#34
On May 02 2011 23:54 Let it Raine wrote:
I wonder. Is it fair to say that korean protosses are generally terrible? That's the feeling I get from watching them but maybe I'm trying too hard to say zerg up.

Just when I watch a top 8 code s player like anypro pylon his nexus first, pull half his probes to kill it and then push out with only gateway units vs burrow roaches, I kind of have to wonder. (of course, he still won that series with 2 very skill less builds, the first of which he won even though he had 0 micro on the void ray, which was the focus of the entire build.)

It's certainly interesting to see regardless, and I'm surprised at terrans overall success.


The best korean protoss players are not terrible. Everyone makes mistakes every now and then. Top zergs are included in that statement.

The feeling I get from threads like these is that people want the statistics to reflect the reality that they feel. It usually doesn't. That doesn't mean that your feelings are wrong, and it doesn't mean that statistics are wrong - it does mean that you probably don't understand the data, which is a given in this kind of high level report.
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-02 15:08:55
May 02 2011 15:08 GMT
#35
allright, wait for it... wait for it
*sunglasses up*
Protoss is the new underpowered race

joking off course now toss have to find a way to counter the new zerg builds etc
DrGreen
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland708 Posts
May 02 2011 15:08 GMT
#36
Where are all zerg whiners now? Huh? WHERE? WHERE ARE YOU?!

Protoss is underpowered.

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Ctuchik
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden91 Posts
May 02 2011 15:08 GMT
#37
On May 03 2011 00:04 stafu wrote:
Foreign data is more accurate as many more games are being looked at. I'd love to know how many games are being looked at in PvZ over that last month in Korea? On average it could only be about 45 games, which isn't enough, so don't pay too much attention to that big swing. <_<



It's 99 games, 31 wins and 68 losses. Mostly from GSL.

I agree it's to little to make any assumptions from, the interesting thing will be to see if it's the start of a trend or just an anomaly.
http://twitter.com/sc2statistics
Elwar
Profile Joined August 2010
953 Posts
May 02 2011 15:09 GMT
#38
On May 03 2011 00:03 Mailing wrote:
Though it does seem weird, why would korean protoss fail so hard yet european and NA protoss are fine after the infestor buff?

It's not like korean zerg are even using infestors more often.

Well not fine. Protoss have been underperforming in the NASL recently against zerg.

But its to be expected, its not a balance issue just a patch requiring more time for one race to adjust to than another.

The international lines converging is pretty exciting.
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
May 02 2011 15:10 GMT
#39
1. Zerg was weak in NA until just recently, despite what Blizzard said.

2. In Korea, Terran>Zerg>Protoss, with Zerg looking decent only because they get so many wins against Protoss.
:3
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
May 02 2011 15:10 GMT
#40
On May 03 2011 00:07 K3Nyy wrote:
Interesting.. it's funny that MVP says terran is the weakest but every statistic proves him wrong.

Zerg looks underpowered though and protoss aren't doing as well as everyone makes it sound.


How does it makes Zerg look underpowered?_?

Anyways, the koran stats are not that accurate since they have way less games than the whole foreign scene does. Good to see things relatively even, bad to see P on such a slump in Korea, and Korean Terran as dominating as ever
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