EPTNice to see it all balanced in EU / NA :D
Race balance last 6 months. - Page 4
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
Nice to see it all balanced in EU / NA :D | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On May 03 2011 00:26 fant0m wrote: The issue with Korean Toss is that they got complacent. So many lose games early due to over-teching or over-expanding. The balance is too close for you to do that when your opponent is about to hit with a timing attack and still win. That skews the results so much because there are so few Korean Toss. So 2 of them do bad for 4 games total (San, MC)... and the whole representation gets thrown off massively. Toss just isn't strong enough any more to ignore what the other race is doing and still win. I don't even understand why they would get complacent in the first place. PvT was never that strong for them, was it? Sure, it looked like they were dominating everything with MC leading the charge, but I can't believe how they all just seem so unprepared now. Almost all of the Ps in GSL have been knocked out in PvT. I just can't wrap my head around it. | ||
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cocosoft
Sweden1068 Posts
And this should make all the "protoss OP" whiners shut up. Also, holy crap!! What happened to the protoss korea win rate for april? :O | ||
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LastMan
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65192 So far there has only been one PvZ in April in Code S, and in the Ro32 group stages, most protoss were knocked out by terrans. I can't really find any other games in korea besides world championships, in which terrans dominated everyone.. | ||
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hi im new
Germany150 Posts
On May 03 2011 00:28 Micket wrote: In Korea: Protoss has MC and maybee San and Alicia. Zerg has Nestea, Losira and July. Terran has MVP, MKP, MMA, Ryung, Bomber, NaDa, Keen!, Supernova, SC, Top, Boxer (kinda), Jinro, Cliiiiiiiiide and Hyperdub (no denying this). so you're saying out of all the people that train starcraft 2 really hard in korea (and it's a lot, trust me on this) only 1-2 protoss, 3 zergs and also a fuckton of terran players dominate the scene? unless you somehow believe that picking terran magically gives a huge boost in skill (which it doesn't) then you're saying terran is imbalanced. i agree. | ||
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zeru
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magha
Netherlands427 Posts
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Volka
Argentina412 Posts
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
Protoss gaing a 5% lead over Zerg/Terran during Jan/Feb/Early-March, when Toss "OP" QQ reached its highest. Now Zergs/Terrans aren't complaining as much anymore and the win rate as evened out... | ||
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GwSC
United States1997 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9439 Posts
On May 03 2011 00:07 K3Nyy wrote: Interesting.. it's funny that MVP says terran is the weakest but every statistic proves him wrong. Zerg looks underpowered though and protoss aren't doing as well as everyone makes it sound. Statistics cant prove anything. Only logic can. | ||
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LastMan
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Noam
Israel2209 Posts
An interesting note is that on the international one there were 8346 games total: PvT - 3366 games - 40% ZvT - 2736 games - 33% ZvP - 2244 games - 27% Now considering that the grandmaster leagues have a somewhat balanced spread across the races, this shows that either less zergs are participating in tournaments, or less zergs are reaching the later rounds of tournaments (which TLPD stores information for). Is it possible for you to share with us how many mirror matches were for each race to see this clearly? | ||
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Qntc.YuMe
United States792 Posts
-Different map pools per tournament. GSL holds different map pool compared to some other tournaments, which can give different results. -International scene has more players, thus giving a more accurate averaged result (I dont think there is as many korean players in comparison to give a stable reading) -Possibly the KA amulet nerf was done because korean players are more dependant on them, thus showing signs to blizzard that it has to be removed and Korean players has not adjusted to such a drastic change yet. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
Well, if you use logic when you assemble statistics it can very much prove stuff. The problem is that most of the time people just pulls numbers out of context (or their ass) which prove nada. | ||
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meep
United States1699 Posts
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insolentrus
Russian Federation304 Posts
On May 03 2011 00:47 LastMan wrote: just look on todays gsl A games, all zergs got eliminated but when u actualy watch the games u will know balance had nothing to do with it, they just played plain horribly, but then u put this games on your graph with such meaningles sample size and say look terran is imba, useless ... terran easy to play. so most of people can learn how to play and win like a boss User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On May 03 2011 00:53 meep wrote: I love the difference since it shows how dynamic the game is, even though it isn't perfectly balanced yet. Also the different styles from different regions come into account also Terrans constantly on top with the highest win ranking everywhere. The only dynamik to terran is how much above the other 2 races they are with their %. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On May 03 2011 00:33 hi im new wrote: so you're saying out of all the people that train starcraft 2 really hard in korea (and it's a lot, trust me on this) only 1-2 protoss, 3 zergs and also a fuckton of terran players dominate the scene? unless you somehow believe that picking terran magically gives a huge boost in skill (which it doesn't) then you're saying terran is imbalanced. i agree. That post must be a joke, maybe San and Alicia but definatelly a shitload of Terrans like Hyperdub, Boxer, Clide, etc that either have one good run or haven't even showed anything besides a few Code A games or Team League games. A lot of the "Terran promises" may actually fail when time passes, like promisses always do. If you go that route, why not put Squirtle, Choya, Inca, Ace, etc? They had at least one good run, seemed promissing at the time, even if they are not the top Protosses. This is just so biased it can't be taken seriously, and doesn't even consider the fact that, if you believe in the imbalance, which I don't, maybe players like Tester would have more sucess as Terran and some of those Terrans wouldn't have the same sucess as Protoss. The korean sample is too small to start crying about anything, but the international sample definatelly says that all this Protoss OP QQ is weird, or at least premature, specially from Terrans, where the matchup has always been pretty damn close. PvZ hasn't really been stable so it's hard to say anything about it. | ||
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