Patch 1.3.3 PTR - Page 156

On May 04 2011 16:28 David451 wrote:

I'm not Zerg but I'm not buying this. It's only a buff to bad control.

On May 04 2011 17:02 Amui wrote:
Thor's are still extremely viable. I'm glad though that I don't either have to make # of thor's+1 immortals or cancel nexus against thor rushes now though. Thank god thor's can't instagib an immortal 45 secs after the thor was built, which to be quite honest was pretty stupid.

On May 04 2011 17:12 Sea_Food wrote:


Rofl. You know there was a reason no one had ever seen a thor in TvP before the energy was removed, exept TLO tried it once by EMPing own thors, but that kinda failed horribly since thors regain energy and making ghost just to do that single purpose is not worth it. Also EMP only drains 100 energy now.

Thors have 400 health, if you insta damage it for 200health it will be as strong as two marauders, exept twise as slow.


Also thors are essential part of going mech vs toss so i dont really see anyone ever building siege tanks either anymore.

On May 04 2011 17:13 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
unlike alot of people I dont keep my units in one control group and hence dont really have a problem with infestors running ahead of my other units. So the decrease in speed is not a buff at all, it's a nerf. If you regard it as a buff that's because of your poor control not the unit being too fast.

That said, infestors are fucking strong as it is now(fungal growth and infested marines how I love thee). Too strong I dont really know and I dont play on the ptr but having given it some thought my initial impression is that lowering the speed feels like it wont really affect much other than the mortality rate of said unit. It probably wont do anything else than make the infestor even more of a baneling unit, you run in and do some dmg(hopefully) and then it dies even if you do control it near perfectly.

Looking forward to the next change in the ptr(or just the patch when it comes out), I believe in blizz balancing team and find this change really interesting and maybe it will have enough of an effect on the unit to quell the people who go on and on about how the infestor is too strong but wont nerf it too hard and it will more or less be what it was before. Atleast blizz is trying something else than tinkering with the spells.

On May 04 2011 17:04 Faze. wrote:



Agreed, only beginners who put their entire army on 1 control group end up with infestors running where THE PLAYER told his infestors to A-move.

It's a nerf, no matter what people say, facts don't care about their opinions. At least it's not a HUGE nerf, zergs will deal with it, we've been through worse.

Edit: I just read the thing in the white rectangle at the top. My fate in humanity just had suicidal thoughts.

On May 04 2011 17:27 Deadlyfish wrote:
Thors now have energy?

This is the worst change i've ever heard of. Seriously? Nerf mech against protoss? You must be kidding me. Thors are now practically useless against toss.

Were thors a problem for protoss, ever? No.

Now Terran will have to go back to EMPing thors to make them viable at all, which is just plain silly. The only "counter" Terrans had to immortals while going mech was thors with strike cannons. Everything else got completely destroyed. So what did blizzard do? Nerfed thors obviously. Wouldnt want terrans to do anything besides bio, would we now?

How often were terrans going thor anyways? 1/100 games?

If blizzard just wanted to make templars good again they could've just buffed them differently. Make them have warp-in storms again, i dont care, at least then i wasnt forced to go MMM every single TvP.

Could someone give any good reason at all for this change? Maybe blizzard thinks mech was OP in TvP, i dont even know what to think about this :S

On May 04 2011 16:58 freetgy wrote:


yeah but this disregards scouting so much.
a smart Terran will have Thors already on the field when P gets the ability to scout Thorstech with Obs. Window for Reaction against such Timings is pretty slim, since there could also be Banshees on the way your first Obs should be at home so your scouting is even more delayed.

And still Terran can change up their timing attacks alot even with thors (PDD, EMP etc.)

On May 04 2011 17:30 Defrag wrote:
So pretty much everything back to normal, and they even nerfed early agression against toss with lowered sentry build time from gateway.

Thors can be feedbacked now, not surprised after last tournament games where Terrans rushing mass thor with +2 armor were stomping toss without problem.

Infestor nerf, while still no other changes to zerg makes me sad. Ultralisk is still useless, infestor got nerfed, hydras are still bad in any sitatution besides defending air.

On May 04 2011 17:32 hackertitan wrote:


Ghost really hard-counter immortal with EMP especially with their reduced gas cost. Immoral never is a problem for T. Thor with strike cannon is just too difficult to deal now as only counter is VRs and marine kill it so fast. I believe Thor change is a needed one

On May 04 2011 17:27 Deadlyfish wrote:
Thors now have energy?

This is the worst change i've ever heard of. Seriously? Nerf mech against protoss? You must be kidding me. Thors are now practically useless against toss.

Were thors a problem for protoss, ever? No.

Now Terran will have to go back to EMPing thors to make them viable at all, which is just plain silly. The only "counter" Terrans had to immortals while going mech was thors with strike cannons. Everything else got completely destroyed. So what did blizzard do? Nerfed thors obviously. Wouldnt want terrans to do anything besides bio, would we now?

How often were terrans going thor anyways? 1/100 games?

If blizzard just wanted to make templars good again they could've just buffed them differently. Make them have warp-in storms again, i dont care, at least then i wasnt forced to go MMM every single TvP.

Could someone give any good reason at all for this change? Maybe blizzard thinks mech was OP in TvP, i dont even know what to think about this :S

On May 04 2011 17:33 Deadlyfish wrote:


What games? Thorzain in TSL? I honestly havent seen any other games.

On May 04 2011 17:37 dump wrote:


Well I do see thors used with marines a lot. Maybe even more often than tanks these days. Even as a protoss player myself I feel like tanks deserve a buff. That would be a decent exchange with the thors.

Oh, wait, zealots are terrible in SC2, even against tanks. Back to the whiteboard.

Again, it really feels like Blizz is inadvertently or not streamlining the entire game. I really don't see much diversity lately. I try to avoid colossus in most of my games, and as a result, I got demoted to plat right after Khaydarin got removed.

Terran's going to be even more dependent on MMM and protoss is still stuck on colossus.