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David451
United States491 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:23 sadyque wrote: Exactly! The speed nerf is actually a buff. How many times have we seen an infestor not get to a location fast enough and how many times have we seen idiot zergs charging with infestors in front? I'm not Zerg but I'm not buying this. It's only a buff to bad control. | ||
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SolidZeal
United States393 Posts
On May 04 2011 15:34 Blasterion wrote: at least increase Strike Cannon Range so we can use it on colossus This, so much this. I can buy into the idea that thors needed a nerf, strike cannons nullified most thors counters and when massed they were extremely good. I like that the protoss counter for thors now are templar in addition to the other solid anti-massive/armored protoss units. But if Blizzard is going to make Strike cannons so counter-able, they should make it something very important to counter. Range 9 on strike cannons would 1) make 150 energy worth waiting for and 2) make an entertaining spectacle in games. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
e: unrelated, but I'm surprised I haven't seen infestor drops, given how amazing they are against probe lines. It's risky, sure, but it's actually even more effective if protoss immediately pulls probes as they then tend to be even more clumped. | ||
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exog
Norway279 Posts
Watching GSL its obviously impossible for normal people to control infestors because the pros cant even prevent them from runnning in the front. Decreased move speed might help them survice occasionally. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On May 04 2011 15:54 travis wrote: sure, but there is a fundamental problem with this that a lot of terran players don't acknowledge. protoss units, the good ones that are useful in the early game, cost lots of gas. the tech, teching up to charge, to psi storm, making templars. it all costs huge amounts of gas. robo bay. we generally have to make a robo bay and get observers, even more gas. yes this army is viable but it's a huge risk to try to go straight for it. zealot/archon/ht already was viable before khaydarin amulet nerf. it was alright but stim marauders could kite it pretty bad. they will still be able to after unless u have lots and lots of archons, and that is a very hard thing to get. frankly i think after this buff archons will be pretty awesome but, honestly, it was needed it's not a "huge" risk, I go straight templar tech every of my PvTs and my winrate pvt is really high, if i suspect cloaked banshee I usually get a forge pretty early and just 1 cannon per nexus | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On May 04 2011 15:58 KevinIX wrote: Idra brought up a good point. The infestor speed change actually makes Infestor micro easier. The infestors naturally stay behind your army now, instead of running forward and becoming vulnerable. make it as slow as templars and you're gonna cry | ||
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FrozenFrog
Singapore133 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:31 syllogism wrote: Is infestor burrowed speed still 2.0? e: unrelated, but I'm surprised I haven't seen infestor drops, given how amazing they are against probe lines. It's risky, sure, but it's actually even more effective if protoss immediately pulls probes as they then tend to be even more clumped. Watch spanishiwa's stream ,he does baneling and/or infestor drops pretty often | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
Again the archon change encourages more templar tech but just forces terran to keep going bio again. Archons are already plenty decent against Bio with their AoE and damage. I don't see how this helps Bio. Having Thors between your Marines and their Archons would be helpful. | ||
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gulden
Germany205 Posts
But don't think PvP will change, which is fine for me... | ||
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undyinglight
United States611 Posts
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
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David451
United States491 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:47 NicolBolas wrote: Archons are already plenty decent against Bio with their AoE and damage. I don't see how this helps Bio. Having Thors between your Marines and their Archons would be helpful. Thors aren't just something you can warp into the battlefield when you see an archon pop. You have to make them loooooong in advance. Nevermind that going marine/thor versus templar tech, after this change, is probably the worst possible response you could make. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:47 NicolBolas wrote: Archons are already plenty decent against Bio with their AoE and damage. I don't see how this helps Bio. Having Thors between your Marines and their Archons would be helpful. I think he means that the thor energy bar makes thors nonviable. Which is probably overreaction. | ||
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Morphs
Netherlands645 Posts
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freetgy
1720 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:54 David451 wrote: Thors aren't just something you can warp into the battlefield when you see an archon pop. You have to make them loooooong in advance. Nevermind that going marine/thor versus templar tech, after this change, is probably the worst possible response you could make. yeah but this disregards scouting so much. a smart Terran will have Thors already on the field when P gets the ability to scout Thorstech with Obs. Window for Reaction against such Timings is pretty slim, since there could also be Banshees on the way your first Obs should be at home so your scouting is even more delayed. And still Terran can change up their timing attacks alot even with thors (PDD, EMP etc.) | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:55 Morphs wrote: I can't really see the Infestor speed change as a buff. Actually I see it more as a hint from Blizzard to encourage burrowed Infestors. Now they are only 0.25 faster unburrowed.. I think they just needed to bring their speed off creep in line with ghosts for the ghost gas changes to be effective vs infestors. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Meaning, you can only get in about 2-3 sentries (Depending on chronoboost or not) before warpgate is done. Not much of a change to be honest, zealot/stalker time increase meaning we might see a lot more fast-expanding from Toss. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:50 undyinglight wrote: Do you guys think that Archons will be a good defensive unit vs Mutalisk like it was in BW? I think it will punish someone who doesn't control their mutas perfectly. Archons aoe splash is really tiny so if you really are clumping your mutas, especially when templar are on the field, then archons will do well. Otherwise if you just move over the archon without clumping, the mutas will still kill it very quickly. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
Also, the new warpgate change is a lot better than the previous one. Previous one was way too drastic. Hoorah for Archon range though, now they have same range as muta's and can actually punish bad control. | ||
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