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Mondragon's secret TSL Training vs. Protoss - Page 7

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ishboh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States954 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 12:51:27
April 15 2011 12:47 GMT
#121
this is a power play, mondragon is hoping that cruncher will see this thread somehow. I highly doubt that mondragon will use these strats in the TSL games.
edit; i guess the games have already been played? so nevermind O.o
MadChem
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany218 Posts
April 15 2011 12:58 GMT
#122
just incredible

+ Show Spoiler +

216 suply, lol
"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds." - Oppenheimer
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
April 15 2011 12:59 GMT
#123
Why would you bother fighting toss at 200 vs 200 when you can just fight him 216 vs 200 ^^

Awesome vod, thanks Khaldor!
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
April 15 2011 13:06 GMT
#124
Ok, i just jumped through it but i can say that this game was AWESOME! I hope mondi wins tsl :>
SweetenemY
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany136 Posts
April 15 2011 13:08 GMT
#125
those germans are pretty awesome O_o
Skill is, when luck gets a matter of habit
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
April 15 2011 13:10 GMT
#126
On April 15 2011 21:38 iNfeRnaL wrote:
Hahaha it was so hilarious when he first discovered the supply trick.
"LOL I have 202 supply right now!!!" (not on purpose)
Game goes on...
3 minutes later...
"LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?"
...
"Oh well, fuck you Dissy."


LOL xD!
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
aScaris
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany124 Posts
April 15 2011 13:16 GMT
#127
On April 15 2011 21:38 iNfeRnaL wrote:
Hahaha it was so hilarious when he first discovered the supply trick.
"LOL I have 202 supply right now!!!" (not on purpose)
Game goes on...
3 minutes later...
"LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?"
...
"Oh well, fuck you Dissy."


LOL, nice quote :D
Some of the biggest discoveries are made by accident :D
Asjo
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Denmark664 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 13:24:06
April 15 2011 13:21 GMT
#128
This was a tough match to watch as a Mondragon fan. Without playing particularly well, ToD exposed many of Mondragon's weaknesses, and a better player would have decimated Mondragon in many of the situations where the marginals was on this side in this match. I can see how people would find the match entertaining, but as a perfectionist, both players making so many mistakes really detracts from the experience. For me, once players get too wasteful and lack good control of their play, the game loses a bit of meaning for me. Nonetheless, it was worth it, for seeing fights and situations that you don't normally see, as well as seeing Mondragon's clever mind-games, multi-pronged attacks and chess-like trade-offs, showing no despair and keeping some clever late-game plans at hand.
I am not sure what to say
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
April 15 2011 13:21 GMT
#129
Why did he do the trick with evolution chambers? Spore crawlers only cost 75 minerals and are easier to 'spam' all over the creep by virtue of their size. It was after his base was destroyed, so it might be he didn't have an evolution chamber at that point, I guess.

I also think ToD thought he probably had the game won by containing the zerg to three bases with his deathball, but he probably underestimated the amount of minerals/gas Mondragon had banked after having had 100+ drones and 5+ bases.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
April 15 2011 13:23 GMT
#130
Wow I can't believe the Protoss won that game after he got his entire army decimated near the gold expo..very weird game in my eyes
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
April 15 2011 13:27 GMT
#131
On April 15 2011 22:21 Asjo wrote:
This was a tough match to watch as a Mondragon fan. Without playing particularly well, ToD exposed many of Mondragon's weaknesses, and a better player would have decimated Mondragon in many of the situations where the marginals was on this side in this match. I can see how people would find the match entertaining, but as a perfectionist, both players making so many mistakes really detracts from the experience. For me, once players get too wasteful and lack good control of their play, the game loses a bit of meaning for me. Nonetheless, it was worth it, for seeing fights and situations that you don't normally see, as well as seeing Mondragon's clever mind-games, multi-pronged attacks and chess-like trade-offs, showing no despair and keeping some clever late-game plans at hand.


remember this was one practice match among many many many other matches,I'm least worried.
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Floydian
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom374 Posts
April 15 2011 13:28 GMT
#132
Holy shit that supply trick never ever occurred to me. Didn't think it was possible to go over 200 supply. Unfortunately that's exactly the kinda thing I can see Blizz patching out.
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
April 15 2011 13:30 GMT
#133
So mondragons play relies on not being attacked before you get 3 or 4 bases up, gettin 120 drones in the process. While having the psychic ability that the protoss won't go for blink even though he got a twilight council. Then assuming that the protoss won't split his army up effectively to deal with the drops faster. After that having hidden expansions to keep him in the game.

Sounds pretty solid.

I'm going to fear for him against cruncher if he plays like that vs him. Although I do not like crunchers play one bit he is better than that to kill off mondragon easily. In that game khaldor casted the protoss simply got lazy on expanding after he got a third, and got lazy by seeing broodlords and spinecrawlers defending one of his biggest vunerablilities and not going for voidrays.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
April 15 2011 13:34 GMT
#134
On April 15 2011 22:28 Floydian wrote:
Holy shit that supply trick never ever occurred to me. Didn't think it was possible to go over 200 supply. Unfortunately that's exactly the kinda thing I can see Blizz patching out.


It's been know like forever so I doubt blizzard will patch it. And it's not really much different from a terran suiciding his scvs late game when he's maxed, only using mules.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
iNviSible.yunO
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Germany211 Posts
April 15 2011 13:35 GMT
#135
Thanks for posting this;)
o.O''
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Profile Joined December 2002
Germany216 Posts
April 15 2011 13:40 GMT
#136
nice game but I'm wondering why ToD didn't add the void rays much earlier since he had the money for that
anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
April 15 2011 13:44 GMT
#137
thanks for the cast khaldor!

BUT sorry, it was a bad game, countless mistakes by both players, by the second half of the match, while it was hella entertaining, i was scratching my head as to why i was watching this random ladder game. i strongly doubt cruncher's gonna feel anything but relief if he watches this.

as for the 216 population, that's an old trick, nothing innovative by mondragon there either.

'Tis with our Judgements as our Watches, none / Go just alike, yet each believes his own.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
April 15 2011 13:44 GMT
#138
mondi is so sure he win ^^ whatever he says he just inside himself is sure he will 3-0 3-1 cruncher
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Sanasante
Profile Joined March 2010
United States321 Posts
April 15 2011 13:45 GMT
#139
I find it hilarious that 3/4 of the sc2 community has no clue who Mondi actually was in BW. For all intensive purposes mondi understood SC/BW so the same should flow into SC2 which is still in that process.

More importantly Mondragon knows how to play P and T as well and that increases his knowledge base.
It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
April 15 2011 13:51 GMT
#140
It was a good game and mondragon plays zerg the way i think they should play.. waves of agression but Tod weld on and managed to win the game.

The thing i don't like is the zerg going broods on this map.. i feel it's not the best map for it since there is not much space for them to espace blink stalkers(of course those get countered by infestors but how many games did anyone see where the zerg had 20 broods+10 infestors?? this was the first for me).

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