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Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 00:02:37
April 14 2011 00:02 GMT
#341
On April 14 2011 08:33 Cranberries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 08:30 akalarry wrote:
out of curiosity,

is 4am when the koreans normally play for these online tournaments like tsl and nasl?


what time is it for the europeans and north americans?


In this scenario 4am Korean Time is around 9pm Swedish time.

The finals of DH finished at 21:45~ Swedish time (45 minutes, so that's fine). Whitera then spent approximately 15 minutes on stage signing autographs, pictures. Afterwards he went to the DH afterparty.

It's entirely his fault. He easily had enough time to play.



LOL, if that's the case, there should be no argument about Whitera's loss at all. July wakes up at 4 am and waits for 4 hours, while Whitera goes to a party and gets drunk. Glad some other TL members aren't running NASL. Easy call.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
April 14 2011 00:02 GMT
#342
On April 14 2011 09:01 aka_star wrote:
+1 for wrong decision

Whole thing sounds like crap to me, I recall the marching anthem from Incontrol how events should be "player focus and for the players and hey doesn't it suck how IdrA couldn't leave GSL to play in a such and such event because of another event" This type of talk was trumpeted over and over again on SOTG.... what a bitter taste of hypocrisy to hear how a 4 hour conflict was resolved in a freewin. There are going to be so many more conflicts as this goes on because you are running every fricken day, you need to deal with these issues appropriately otherwise its going to be quite common that players suddenly drop due to travelling and other events. Maybe you should get the players to play a couple of days in advance swapping out any delayed games with buffer replays from the following day. Amazing how even live events are able to cope with unexpected delays, 5 3way ties and bnet disconnects.

I'm sad that the spectators & the event loses out on quality content which could be played from now til next week and watched whenever a day is short. Sad day indeed.


would you say going to an afterparty and getting wasted is the appropriate way to overcome the issue?
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
April 14 2011 00:03 GMT
#343
Not the end of the world thankfully, just sucks a bit thats all.
whowahuh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States184 Posts
April 14 2011 00:04 GMT
#344
On April 14 2011 08:59 joheinous wrote:
such bullshit. nasl won't get called out for it because no one can do it in a way that matters to them. there aren't even sponsors to complain too. what a joke.


What are your comments directed towards? NASL did everything they could to try to get in touch with Whitera. If Whitera was anticipating a schedule conflict, he either should've let them know as soon as the conflict was confirmed, or simply texted/emailed/picked up a phone call. July was up from 4am-8am korea time waiting for the match even when, in the contract signed by all the players, a forfeit by Whitera would've been completely legit after 1 hour. Where's the joke in all that?
BluePabs
Profile Joined November 2010
United States317 Posts
April 14 2011 00:06 GMT
#345
Lol, I was so happy when I read the first few pages and it was civil and very level-headed comments about the decision. Skip towards the end and it slips a bit.

Sucks but I'm really impressed with July for waking up so early and sticking around for so long. Also for NASL for making the tough, but right choice. When you have the studio, technicians, and staff scheduled to play the games and this happens it sucks. But allowing a reschedule would make them have to allow any reschedule in the future. And now this sets the bar for even the biggest matches of the night will not receive any preferential treatment.

Tough choice but the right one which makes me give even more respect to the people running the NASL.
neo_sporin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States516 Posts
April 14 2011 00:08 GMT
#346
I was wondering how long it would take before this started occuring as some people have intensive scheduling and just the hour of play for koreans in general. I was hoping it would happen to someone i didn't like though...sad day.

On the other hand, zerg power. Thats how the god of war does it, he scares you out of playing.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 00:08:50
April 14 2011 00:08 GMT
#347
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whowahuh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States184 Posts
April 14 2011 00:09 GMT
#348
On April 14 2011 09:01 Diaz wrote:
I thought NASL was happening live I guess this means it's a live cast only but games were played before?


All the games are casted by the commentators as the games are played live by the players. NASL then edits the footage they record in the studio, edits it, then broadcasts the same night. So basically, games are played same day, just a bit earlier in the day.
lazyfeet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States468 Posts
April 14 2011 00:10 GMT
#349
On April 14 2011 08:59 joheinous wrote:
such bullshit. nasl won't get called out for it because no one can do it in a way that matters to them. there aren't even sponsors to complain too. what a joke.

Hmm who is the sponsor for the NASL? I thought they going to release info when the season starts.
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Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 00:13:50
April 14 2011 00:10 GMT
#350
ugh best game of the day gone
just gonna go to bed today and stay up 2morrow then ^^

Might sound stupid but I think White-ra either forgot or simply didn't care about the match too much.
As said above he went to the DH afterparty instead of playing NASL, I guess he might have been too tired and didn't give himself much chance because of it.
Could have given the NASL guys a call tho
Char711
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States862 Posts
April 14 2011 00:11 GMT
#351
Overall I think that we can all admit that this was handled admirably. There was a lot of communication and all possible courtesy was extended by NASL. I applaud how they went about it. And I think we can also all agree that waking up at 4 AM and then waiting 4 hours was an impressive act of patience by July, so he certainly deserves to at least receive something.

I love White-Ra, and, considering the type of guy he is, I'm sure he understands and probably even agrees with this.
"If you can chill, chill." -Liquid`Tyler "Special tactics." -White-Ra
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 00:13:22
April 14 2011 00:12 GMT
#352
On April 14 2011 09:06 BluePabs wrote:
Lol, I was so happy when I read the first few pages and it was civil and very level-headed comments about the decision. Skip towards the end and it slips a bit.

Sucks but I'm really impressed with July for waking up so early and sticking around for so long. Also for NASL for making the tough, but right choice. When you have the studio, technicians, and staff scheduled to play the games and this happens it sucks. But allowing a reschedule would make them have to allow any reschedule in the future. And now this sets the bar for even the biggest matches of the night will not receive any preferential treatment.

Tough choice but the right one which makes me give even more respect to the people running the NASL.

As I said before, if you allowed reschedules only for big tournaments and some personal stuff (like member of the family dying, graduation, ....) it would be much better for viewers and NASL and would not create any precedent. Blind adherence to schedule, when rescheduling is easy and makes sense is a bad thing, not a good thing.

EDIT:typo fixed
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 14 2011 00:12 GMT
#353
I think you guys should worry less about what other people do with their time and start worrying about your own.

-_-
Xswordy
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom425 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 00:13:29
April 14 2011 00:12 GMT
#354
Aw was really looking forward to this , being the only match I would've watched today... But the decision was fair tho.
Clicker
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
April 14 2011 00:13 GMT
#355
On April 14 2011 09:11 Char711 wrote:
Overall I think that we can all admit that this was handled admirably. There was a lot of communication and all possible courtesy was extended by NASL. I applaud how they went about it. And I think we can also all agree that waking up at 4 AM and then waiting 4 hours was an impressive act of patience by July, so he certainly deserves to at least receive something.

I love White-Ra, and, considering the type of guy he is, I'm sure he understands and probably even agrees with this.

This ;/
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
April 14 2011 00:14 GMT
#356
damnitttttttt. was really looking forward to the match
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
April 14 2011 00:16 GMT
#357
Fair decision, just really bummed I don't get to watch a BO3 between White-Ra and July. Epicness shattered.
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 00:20:49
April 14 2011 00:18 GMT
#358
On April 14 2011 09:12 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:06 BluePabs wrote:
Lol, I was so happy when I read the first few pages and it was civil and very level-headed comments about the decision. Skip towards the end and it slips a bit.

Sucks but I'm really impressed with July for waking up so early and sticking around for so long. Also for NASL for making the tough, but right choice. When you have the studio, technicians, and staff scheduled to play the games and this happens it sucks. But allowing a reschedule would make them have to allow any reschedule in the future. And now this sets the bar for even the biggest matches of the night will not receive any preferential treatment.

Tough choice but the right one which makes me give even more respect to the people running the NASL.

As I said before, if you allowed reschedules only for big tournaments and some personal stuff (like member of the family dying, graduation, ....) it would be much better for viewers and NASL and would not create any precedent. Blind adherence to schedule, when rescheduling is easy and makes sense is a bad thing, not a good thing.

EDIT:typo fixed


No, it rescheduling is a bad thing. The NASL was run with accountability in mind, that was why they had the deposits, and the team rules in place. If you're not accountable, you don't deserve to play in the NASL. Sjow was able to make accommodations, so clearly it isn't in the realm of impossibility.

They made the right choice, sucks that July had to wake up at 4 am and couldn't even play, and if I was in that situation I would have taken the walkover as well.

Edit: NASL was already being lenient, extending the grace period from 45 minutes to 4 hours. That's more than enough leniency for such a demanding schedule.
Diaz
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada34 Posts
April 14 2011 00:20 GMT
#359
On April 14 2011 09:09 whowahuh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:01 Diaz wrote:
I thought NASL was happening live I guess this means it's a live cast only but games were played before?


All the games are casted by the commentators as the games are played live by the players. NASL then edits the footage they record in the studio, edits it, then broadcasts the same night. So basically, games are played same day, just a bit earlier in the day.


I don't like this too much The thought that the event is happening as I'm watching just makes it way more exciting for some reason
There are only 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Walruslisk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States36 Posts
April 14 2011 00:20 GMT
#360
damn i wanted to see this match really badly
yo dawg, i heard u like quotes
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