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[NASL] July awarded 2-0 victory over White-Ra - Page 20

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maganez
Profile Joined May 2010
United States23 Posts
April 14 2011 00:53 GMT
#381
it's hard to call White-Ra and Naniwa "Pros" with such unprofessional attitudes. That's the reason people don't take seriously E-sports, what a shame.
RonaldRayGun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States200 Posts
April 14 2011 00:57 GMT
#382
On April 14 2011 09:53 maganez wrote:
it's hard to call White-Ra and Naniwa "Pros" with such unprofessional attitudes. That's the reason people don't take seriously E-sports, what a shame.

Who's to say they aren't pros? They are good enough to play for money and for your entertainment. That should be enough.
"Machine is making more zerglings. How does IdrA combat MORE zerglings? In Korea they don't make MORE Zerglings! You cheesy fucking newbie! - InControl comentating MAchine vs IdrA
Cranberries
Profile Joined July 2010
Wales567 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 00:59:52
April 14 2011 00:58 GMT
#383
[image loading]


Proof, or are we still under the speculation that this is totally a scheduling problem? :D
monkey5476
Profile Joined January 2011
United States133 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 01:00:27
April 14 2011 00:59 GMT
#384
Edit: Deleted
PraetorianX
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden780 Posts
April 14 2011 01:03 GMT
#385
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict.

This was the only interesting game today, so I won't be watching without it.
The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill
HEROwithNOlegacy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States850 Posts
April 14 2011 01:05 GMT
#386
Darn was really looking forward to seeing July play against white ra . July fighting!
SlayerS Fighting!
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
April 14 2011 01:05 GMT
#387
On April 14 2011 09:58 Cranberries wrote:
[image loading]


Proof, or are we still under the speculation that this is totally a scheduling problem? :D

The point is not whether White-ra went to the party I hope that is already established as a fact. But that does not say anything about why he did he decided not to play. And it is scheduling problem anyway, because it was scheduled on the same day and even on the same hour as DH tournament.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 01:08:58
April 14 2011 01:05 GMT
#388
I'm going to have to agree with the rest of the guys here: the NASL should have ironclad rules regarding the forfeiting of a player. I don't care if July, on his OWN accord, asked the tournament officials to extend the wait - Ra should have been forfeited immediately after the grace period. Instead, it almost seems like NASL are shirking responsibility and gave the decision to July - which ultimately leads to certain people unhappy and/or placing value judgments on July's decision rather than on the rules of the tournament. Thankfully, it seems like 99% of the people here on TL are rational (with the exception of one idiot and a few trolls). Either way, NOT fair for July. On the other hand, until we receive more information about this, it doesn't seem fair for either NASL or Ra. If the NASL can't reschedule due to certain reasons, I don't expect them to bend the rules for just one player; Ra, until we get confirmation that he DID indeed blow off the games to go party, can't be blamed as well.

No shows happen all the time in other tournaments - the FXOpens for example. Someone doesn't show, they wait a little bit, and then it's a walkover. TheSTC couldn't get a localizer to work at a PC Cafe, his internet was down at home - none of which was his fault, and he still promptly informed the organizers. They understandably waited a bit, but nonetheless awarded the walkover to his opponent. The only difference here is that there are viewers who are paying customers - but it's not like this is the only match. Plenty of people are talking about how great a deal it is (25 bucks for 3 months of matches). One less match can't hurt.

Edit:
On April 14 2011 10:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict.

This was the only interesting game today, so I won't be watching without it.


Give the win to White-Ra after they couldn't even contact him? Are you kidding?
So one guy who shows up to the match, waits 4 hours, and the other guy doesn't. We still don't know what extenuating circumstances Ra encountered - there are people in this thread who apparently have relatives who partied with Ra after Dreamhack. If that's the truth, and if this match was indeed scheduled during that time period, it's completely Ra's fault.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
April 14 2011 01:05 GMT
#389
On April 14 2011 10:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict.


You didn't even think for a single second before making that post, right?

Might also want to read the thread...
Kevmeister @ Dota2
PraetorianX
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden780 Posts
April 14 2011 01:07 GMT
#390
On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events?


Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game?

It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter.
The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill
Cranberries
Profile Joined July 2010
Wales567 Posts
April 14 2011 01:08 GMT
#391
On April 14 2011 10:05 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:58 Cranberries wrote:
[image loading]


Proof, or are we still under the speculation that this is totally a scheduling problem? :D

The point is not whether White-ra went to the party I hope that is already established as a fact. But that does not say anything about why he did he decided not to play. And it is scheduling problem anyway, because it was scheduled on the same day and even on the same hour as DH tournament.

Yeah. Finding a time when a Korean, two Americans, as well as Whitera ... As well as all the other players on the same day for NASL Day 1-2 to play and streamline efficiently so it can be broadcasted in a polished manner sure is easy.

Wait, what?
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
April 14 2011 01:09 GMT
#392
On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events?


Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game?

It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter.


yeah if the nhl and nba can rearrange their "match times" when the Olympics are running...nasl should beable to reschedule for big lans...
S.O.L.I.D.
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States792 Posts
April 14 2011 01:09 GMT
#393
On April 14 2011 09:53 maganez wrote:
it's hard to call White-Ra and Naniwa "Pros" with such unprofessional attitudes. That's the reason people don't take seriously E-sports, what a shame.


Naniwa maybe, but White-Ra? No. From what I've heard from EVERYONE in the community, he's a very nice guy and professional, and this is the first and only thing of this nature that I've heard from him. Yeah it's his fault but to criticize his integrity over one thing is something completely different and it's unwarranted imo. Also Nani is doing a good job cleaning up his act as of late.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 14 2011 01:11 GMT
#394
Sounds like a reasonable decision. Shit happens, and NASL runs on a tight schedule with casters waiting on hold for hours and JulyZerg himself losing a ton of valuable sleep.

Considering that White-Ra is such a great player and such a nice guy, I think he'll just brush off the incident like nothing and boss-mode his way through the rest of the group stages. Heck, perhaps White-Ra's forfeit will end up like Dreiven's BBQ incident from TSL1.
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DImported
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia149 Posts
April 14 2011 01:11 GMT
#395
Looks like the most anticipated match for today got cancelled. What a shame.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
April 14 2011 01:11 GMT
#396
On April 14 2011 10:09 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:53 maganez wrote:
it's hard to call White-Ra and Naniwa "Pros" with such unprofessional attitudes. That's the reason people don't take seriously E-sports, what a shame.


Naniwa maybe, but White-Ra? No. From what I've heard from EVERYONE in the community, he's a very nice guy and professional, and this is the first and only thing of this nature that I've heard from him. Yeah it's his fault but to criticize his integrity over one thing is something completely different and it's unwarranted imo. Also Nani is doing a good job cleaning up his act as of late.


Ra has been dirtying his squeaky clean image lately with a lot of BM after losing like calling his opponent's strats brainless.
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mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
April 14 2011 01:12 GMT
#397
On April 14 2011 10:08 Cranberries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 10:05 mcc wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:58 Cranberries wrote:
[image loading]


Proof, or are we still under the speculation that this is totally a scheduling problem? :D

The point is not whether White-ra went to the party I hope that is already established as a fact. But that does not say anything about why he did he decided not to play. And it is scheduling problem anyway, because it was scheduled on the same day and even on the same hour as DH tournament.

Yeah. Finding a time when a Korean, two Americans, as well as Whitera ... As well as all the other players on the same day for NASL Day 1-2 to play and streamline efficiently so it can be broadcasted in a polished manner sure is easy.

Wait, what?

Should I again requote 3 easy solutions to rescheduling problem that I already posted ? I will use just one. Why not let White-ra and July play earlier and cast from replays. I highly doubt White-ra and July would be incapable of finding the time to play, especially since EU time and KST have a lot of day overlap and you just need to find one referee to be present for the game, which can be any trustworthy European, Korean or even American and it would not be hard to find such a person.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
April 14 2011 01:12 GMT
#398
On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events?


Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game?


Because they have schedules too and can't just go willy nilly and cast the games in a random order? Doyou actually have any idea how stressful it is to run a massive tournament like the NASL? Look at the sheer amount of games they have to organize, cast, record, produce and stream... Then they also have to communicate with all the players, if everyone comes up with some excuse not to play their games this tournament will start to fall apart real soon...

If you run a tournament this big you have to have strict rules and enforce them, with waiting 4hours they already did more than many other tournaments would have done.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
QuixoticO
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands810 Posts
April 14 2011 01:13 GMT
#399
Giving people the option is to get a W.O is pretty stupid in a non bracket league where rescheduling shouldn't be a problem or is it just me thinking that way ? It's not like the winner of July vs White-Ra had to play someone specific considering this is still in the pool stage...
"Suum Cuique" - Cicero
PraetorianX
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden780 Posts
April 14 2011 01:14 GMT
#400
On April 14 2011 10:05 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 10:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict.


You didn't even think for a single second before making that post, right?

Might also want to read the thread...


I did read the thread. White-Ra was unavailable for the game, which was totally understandable considering the circumstances. The point is, they should have rescheduled instead of just awarding the win to July.

Also, I'm sure White-Ra had a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything that happened.
The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill
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