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On April 14 2011 10:11 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:09 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 09:53 maganez wrote:
it's hard to call White-Ra and Naniwa "Pros" with such unprofessional attitudes. That's the reason people don't take seriously E-sports, what a shame. Naniwa maybe, but White-Ra? No. From what I've heard from EVERYONE in the community, he's a very nice guy and professional, and this is the first and only thing of this nature that I've heard from him. Yeah it's his fault but to criticize his integrity over one thing is something completely different and it's unwarranted imo. Also Nani is doing a good job cleaning up his act as of late. Ra has been dirtying his squeaky clean image lately with a lot of BM after losing like calling his opponent's strats brainless.
He's been BM against Koreans for a while now. I don't like or dislike him for it (making comments how everyone just cheeses in the GSL a few months back, then actually going to Korea to whine about 4 gating, blah blah) - whatever. Only his opinions of course, but we're all human beings. I don't give a shit if he's squeaky clean or not, as he's still a good player.
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I completely agree that NASL should just be automatically awarding match wins to opponents of players who are not showing up to their games, and not making it a choice. These players who are missing matches need to step up - it's bad for the the league and the fans who are missing out on the games.
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On April 14 2011 10:12 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:08 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:05 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 09:58 Cranberries wrote:Proof, or are we still under the speculation that this is totally a scheduling problem? :D The point is not whether White-ra went to the party I hope that is already established as a fact. But that does not say anything about why he did he decided not to play. And it is scheduling problem anyway, because it was scheduled on the same day and even on the same hour as DH tournament. Yeah. Finding a time when a Korean, two Americans, as well as Whitera ... As well as all the other players on the same day for NASL Day 1-2 to play and streamline efficiently so it can be broadcasted in a polished manner sure is easy. Wait, what? Should I again requote 3 easy solutions to rescheduling problem that I already posted ? I will use just one. Why not let White-ra and July play earlier and cast from replays. I highly doubt White-ra and July would be incapable of finding the time to play, especially since EU time and KST have a lot of day overlap and you just need to find one referee to be present for the game, which can be any trustworthy European, Korean or even American and it would not be hard to find such a person.
Clearly the NASL organisers have a set way to do things. It is by this set method that they're doing it. I assume the players had to sign some sort of agreement towards the terms and regulations (a EULA/ToS, if you will) of the tournament in order to participate.
What the hell is wrong with you people?
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Very understandable and congrats to July. Wow, waking at 4 to play a match, that's dedication!
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On April 14 2011 09:53 maganez wrote:
it's hard to call White-Ra and Naniwa "Pros" with such unprofessional attitudes. That's the reason people don't take seriously E-sports, what a shame.
Mhm, and pro sports players are always so professional, right? I mean, Dennis Rodman, that guy was totally squeaky clean.
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On April 14 2011 10:12 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? Because they have schedules too and can't just go willy nilly and cast the games in a random order? Doyou actually have any idea how stressful it is to run a massive tournament like the NASL? Look at the sheer amount of games they have to organize, cast, record, produce and stream... Then they also have to communicate with all the players, if everyone comes up with some excuse not to play their games this tournament will start to fall apart real soon... If you run a tournament this big you have to have strict rules and enforce them, with waiting 4hours they already did more than many other tournaments would have done.
Theres a big difference between changing the scheduale for every player. And schedualing a match to be played when you know a major lan is happening on that day and your hoping that x player doesnt make it to y part of the tourny or theirs going to be a schedualing conflict....
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On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter.
Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous.
Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack.
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On April 14 2011 10:11 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:09 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 09:53 maganez wrote:
it's hard to call White-Ra and Naniwa "Pros" with such unprofessional attitudes. That's the reason people don't take seriously E-sports, what a shame. Naniwa maybe, but White-Ra? No. From what I've heard from EVERYONE in the community, he's a very nice guy and professional, and this is the first and only thing of this nature that I've heard from him. Yeah it's his fault but to criticize his integrity over one thing is something completely different and it's unwarranted imo. Also Nani is doing a good job cleaning up his act as of late. Ra has been dirtying his squeaky clean image lately with a lot of BM after losing like calling his opponent's strats brainless.
Really, I know he kind of BMs his opponents in PvP, but he basically says the same thing before the game and after it, just after the game it can be considered BM  . But I did not hear him calling opponents brainless. On the other hand some strategies are brainless, but it is still BM.
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Big thumbs up to July for waiting for 4 hours. If that were me I woulda freaked out after 30 minutes.
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On April 14 2011 10:14 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:05 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict. You didn't even think for a single second before making that post, right? Might also want to read the thread... I did read the thread. White-Ra was unavailable for the game, which was totally understandable considering the circumstances. The point is, they should have rescheduled instead of just awarding the win to July. Also, I'm sure White-Ra had a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything that happened.
NASL also gave a perfectly reasonable explanation in their news.
Discussing but deciding against postponing the game because of their ass-tight schedule, contacting Dreamhack in order to give White-Ra the choice to play from there after the event, attempting to contact White-Ra himself, extending the waiting period to 4 hours.
And on top of that - again - Sjow managed to get his game played.
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On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack.
This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient.
+ Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast)
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On April 14 2011 10:12 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? Because they have schedules too and can't just go willy nilly and cast the games in a random order? Doyou actually have any idea how stressful it is to run a massive tournament like the NASL? Look at the sheer amount of games they have to organize, cast, record, produce and stream... Then they also have to communicate with all the players, if everyone comes up with some excuse not to play their games this tournament will start to fall apart real soon... If you run a tournament this big you have to have strict rules and enforce them, with waiting 4hours they already did more than many other tournaments would have done.
THIS.
Everyone thinks that NASL can be accomodating, but don't ask the same coordination of say.. Dreamhack?? Blows my frickin mind... it's near impossible to reschedule one thing because it requires changing MORE than one thing in a tournament. You move one match, suddenly a whole heap of matches, casting, caster-hire periods, live-staff hire periods, recording, editing, production times..they ALL have to be changed and updated and websites have ot be updated and other scheduling and even tournament viewing dates have to be changed...
No. Unlike other dumb TL posters, I don't have the expectation of NASL that they are required to reschedule entire tournaments because one 'pro' decides he wants to party it up while other REAL pros wait 4 hours on the line to compete in one of the biggest SC2 tournaments we've seen this side of the world.
oh.. and yes offense.
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On April 14 2011 10:15 Cranberries wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:12 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:08 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:05 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 09:58 Cranberries wrote:Proof, or are we still under the speculation that this is totally a scheduling problem? :D The point is not whether White-ra went to the party I hope that is already established as a fact. But that does not say anything about why he did he decided not to play. And it is scheduling problem anyway, because it was scheduled on the same day and even on the same hour as DH tournament. Yeah. Finding a time when a Korean, two Americans, as well as Whitera ... As well as all the other players on the same day for NASL Day 1-2 to play and streamline efficiently so it can be broadcasted in a polished manner sure is easy. Wait, what? Should I again requote 3 easy solutions to rescheduling problem that I already posted ? I will use just one. Why not let White-ra and July play earlier and cast from replays. I highly doubt White-ra and July would be incapable of finding the time to play, especially since EU time and KST have a lot of day overlap and you just need to find one referee to be present for the game, which can be any trustworthy European, Korean or even American and it would not be hard to find such a person. Clearly the NASL organisers have a set way to do things. It is by this set method that they're doing it. I assume the players had to sign some sort of agreement towards the terms and regulations (a EULA/ToS, if you will) of the tournament in order to participate. What the hell is wrong with you people?
And if you note I am not saying the forfeit decision was bad, just that their scheduling rules/decisions are bad. If they had more flexible scheduling decisions(easily achievable), but still precisely written and enforced, the end-result would be better for viewers and for NASL.
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Unfortunate, but understandable.
Props to July for waiting so long.
I would have loved them to play out those games, but I 100% agree with July's decision to take those wins. Money is on the line and you play to win.
Thank you NASL for making a quick, clear, and well-defended decision.
Nothing more to say
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Awww, July vs white-ra woulda been an epic match too... well congrats to july anyways
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On April 14 2011 10:12 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:08 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:05 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 09:58 Cranberries wrote:Proof, or are we still under the speculation that this is totally a scheduling problem? :D The point is not whether White-ra went to the party I hope that is already established as a fact. But that does not say anything about why he did he decided not to play. And it is scheduling problem anyway, because it was scheduled on the same day and even on the same hour as DH tournament. Yeah. Finding a time when a Korean, two Americans, as well as Whitera ... As well as all the other players on the same day for NASL Day 1-2 to play and streamline efficiently so it can be broadcasted in a polished manner sure is easy. Wait, what? Should I again requote 3 easy solutions to rescheduling problem that I already posted ? I will use just one. Why not let White-ra and July play earlier and cast from replays. I highly doubt White-ra and July would be incapable of finding the time to play, especially since EU time and KST have a lot of day overlap and you just need to find one referee to be present for the game, which can be any trustworthy European, Korean or even American and it would not be hard to find such a person.
Hell, playing it a couple of days earlier, both players could be on KR and have no lag. That would've been the obvious choice really.
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On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter.
It's stated in their rules that they have a 45 minute time to get on or they get a forfeit.
July gave white-ra 4 hours.
They don't have to be extra flexable and break their rules for 1 players.
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shame for whitera, july did the right thing though
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Damn i was looking forward to this as the most epic game of the whole opening series! Such a shame, but i guess it's good to see the way that the NASL approached it. It just seems like poor organisation by White-Ra as SjoW seemed to be able to make it happen. It is unfortunate to hear and definitely puts a damper on it.
The fact they wanted FOUR hours, and July had woken up at 4am and waiting FOUR hours from then to play his matches is way beyond the call of duty in this case. Thank you for understanding the community's desire to see these games! Such a shame it couldn't work out 
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On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack.
Of course it's easier for SjoW! He lives here in Sweden, he has access to a suitable computer late a night - he probably just played from home. White-Ra is in a foreign country, he probaby thought he would be able to use the Dreamhack computers but that wasn't possible, so what's he gonna do? Play from a laptop? I think it's understandable he couldn't find a computer to play on.
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