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[NASL] July awarded 2-0 victory over White-Ra - Page 19

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Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
April 14 2011 00:21 GMT
#361
Nothing wrong with this decision. Good to inform the public exactly what went down though.

Too bad. I would have liked to watch White-Ra vs July.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
April 14 2011 00:23 GMT
#362
Wait, so if White-ra knew of the conflict, what did he do towards it?
Yargh
Rasun
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States787 Posts
April 14 2011 00:25 GMT
#363
Darn, was rather lookin fowward to that match. I think NASL handled it well. July was a trooper and I think everything was done and it just turned out to be a miscommunication. Nobody is at fault here however I do have a concern.

What is to stop this from happening a lot? I mean NASL's schedule is enormous, there are so so many games and with so much else happening for players to also compete in, I hope things like this aren't a common occurrence. You have to admit NASL's task is pretty daunting, making sure that both players can show up to every single one of their matches. Has to be a scheduling nightmare. I'll stay pretty positive about it for now though. The season is gonna be epic :D
"People need to just settle the fuck down!"- Djwheat <3
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
April 14 2011 00:26 GMT
#364
On April 14 2011 09:02 Daozzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 08:33 Cranberries wrote:
On April 14 2011 08:30 akalarry wrote:
out of curiosity,

is 4am when the koreans normally play for these online tournaments like tsl and nasl?


what time is it for the europeans and north americans?


In this scenario 4am Korean Time is around 9pm Swedish time.

The finals of DH finished at 21:45~ Swedish time (45 minutes, so that's fine). Whitera then spent approximately 15 minutes on stage signing autographs, pictures. Afterwards he went to the DH afterparty.

It's entirely his fault. He easily had enough time to play.



LOL, if that's the case, there should be no argument about Whitera's loss at all. July wakes up at 4 am and waits for 4 hours, while Whitera goes to a party and gets drunk. Glad some other TL members aren't running NASL. Easy call.


Yup, this makes sense and there is evidence that White-Ra did indeed attend the after party.
Spacemanspiff
Profile Joined September 2010
United States116 Posts
April 14 2011 00:26 GMT
#365
We don't know how far ahead of time White-ra informed NASL of the conflict, and we don't know why White-ra wasn't able to be contacted. Its nice NASL gave us some information, but its not enough for people to vilify anyone or claim who was more at fault.
RonaldRayGun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States200 Posts
April 14 2011 00:27 GMT
#366
This is saddening. Poor Ra.
"Machine is making more zerglings. How does IdrA combat MORE zerglings? In Korea they don't make MORE Zerglings! You cheesy fucking newbie! - InControl comentating MAchine vs IdrA
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
April 14 2011 00:28 GMT
#367
WR vs July would have been a good game. GL to July in NASL!
trashcan
Profile Joined November 2010
Mauritania56 Posts
April 14 2011 00:31 GMT
#368
On April 14 2011 09:27 RonaldRayGun wrote:
This is saddening. Poor Ra.


Poor White Ra, had every chance to make the matches but attended an afterparty and ignored communications instead. Poor White Ra inconvenienced everyone and made Julyzerg wait 4 hours. Poor him.

mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 00:37:21
April 14 2011 00:33 GMT
#369
On April 14 2011 09:18 seiferoth10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:12 mcc wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:06 BluePabs wrote:
Lol, I was so happy when I read the first few pages and it was civil and very level-headed comments about the decision. Skip towards the end and it slips a bit.

Sucks but I'm really impressed with July for waking up so early and sticking around for so long. Also for NASL for making the tough, but right choice. When you have the studio, technicians, and staff scheduled to play the games and this happens it sucks. But allowing a reschedule would make them have to allow any reschedule in the future. And now this sets the bar for even the biggest matches of the night will not receive any preferential treatment.

Tough choice but the right one which makes me give even more respect to the people running the NASL.

As I said before, if you allowed reschedules only for big tournaments and some personal stuff (like member of the family dying, graduation, ....) it would be much better for viewers and NASL and would not create any precedent. Blind adherence to schedule, when rescheduling is easy and makes sense is a bad thing, not a good thing.

EDIT:typo fixed


No, it rescheduling is a bad thing. The NASL was run with accountability in mind, that was why they had the deposits, and the team rules in place. If you're not accountable, you don't deserve to play in the NASL. Sjow was able to make accommodations, so clearly it isn't in the realm of impossibility.

They made the right choice, sucks that July had to wake up at 4 am and couldn't even play, and if I was in that situation I would have taken the walkover as well.

Edit: NASL was already being lenient, extending the grace period from 45 minutes to 4 hours. That's more than enough leniency for such a demanding schedule.

I am not commenting on the forfeit. I think that was correct decision. Also to make it clear I am not talking about rescheduling when they were waiting for White-ra, at that point forfeit was correct decision. I am talking about rescheduling it few days beforehand (that of course assumes they knew about the conflict beforehand, if they did not then I have no problem), which should not be a problem.

EDIT:also 45 min grace period ended at the time when White-ra just finished playing DH finals. They extended not as courtesy, but because they knew that to be the case. That is why I am talking it was poor scheduling if they were informed about his DH attendance.
RonaldRayGun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States200 Posts
April 14 2011 00:36 GMT
#370
On April 14 2011 09:31 trashcan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:27 RonaldRayGun wrote:
This is saddening. Poor Ra.


Poor White Ra, had every chance to make the matches but attended an afterparty and ignored communications instead. Poor White Ra inconvenienced everyone and made Julyzerg wait 4 hours. Poor him.


Where is this info from?
"Machine is making more zerglings. How does IdrA combat MORE zerglings? In Korea they don't make MORE Zerglings! You cheesy fucking newbie! - InControl comentating MAchine vs IdrA
Cranberries
Profile Joined July 2010
Wales567 Posts
April 14 2011 00:38 GMT
#371
On April 14 2011 09:36 RonaldRayGun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:31 trashcan wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:27 RonaldRayGun wrote:
This is saddening. Poor Ra.


Poor White Ra, had every chance to make the matches but attended an afterparty and ignored communications instead. Poor White Ra inconvenienced everyone and made Julyzerg wait 4 hours. Poor him.


Where is this info from?

Read my posts.
Azuzu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States340 Posts
April 14 2011 00:43 GMT
#372
From the information here, it seems the action taken by the NASL was very reasonable. Scheduling problems happen and tough decisions must be made. This was a big ticket match though, so it's disapointing that we won't see it...
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 00:44:57
April 14 2011 00:44 GMT
#373
It sucks and white ra coulda showed up. But imo this could be avoided all together. Not like dreamhack came out of no where and they couldnt scheduale around it. Could have had the other groups play that didnt have players in dreamhack play on the days dreamhack were playing...and then when dreamhack was over just have the remaning groups play.(especially when 2 were in the same group)

Sure group a b c etc wouldnt play in order but as long as the there wasnt a day without casts it wouldnt matter.

Honestly now i really dont want to watch todays cast im tired and really only wanted to see that match up. I might pop on to see the moman game and maybe the sjow game but idk now.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
April 14 2011 00:44 GMT
#374
On April 14 2011 09:31 trashcan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:27 RonaldRayGun wrote:
This is saddening. Poor Ra.


Poor White Ra, had every chance to make the matches but attended an afterparty and ignored communications instead. Poor White Ra inconvenienced everyone and made Julyzerg wait 4 hours. Poor him.


Yes pitying him is strange. But the rest of your post makes so many assumptions. How do you know he ignored communications and not just missed them ? Also he actually had no chance to make the match on time as when the match was scheduled to start he was still playing MC. Maybe he assumed that since he missed the proper start of the match he forfeited and just went to the afterparty. Who knows...
Spacemanspiff
Profile Joined September 2010
United States116 Posts
April 14 2011 00:46 GMT
#375
On April 14 2011 09:38 Cranberries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:36 RonaldRayGun wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:31 trashcan wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:27 RonaldRayGun wrote:
This is saddening. Poor Ra.


Poor White Ra, had every chance to make the matches but attended an afterparty and ignored communications instead. Poor White Ra inconvenienced everyone and made Julyzerg wait 4 hours. Poor him.


Where is this info from?

Read my posts.

Your post doesn't have a source. It could be White-ra went and got drunk and forgot about the match. It could be he didn't think he could get to the match anyway so he went to the party before getting on a plane. We don't know any details except for anecdotes.
RonaldRayGun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States200 Posts
April 14 2011 00:47 GMT
#376
Whitera after Dreamhack:
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQOmZ3UhEXc[/yt]
"Machine is making more zerglings. How does IdrA combat MORE zerglings? In Korea they don't make MORE Zerglings! You cheesy fucking newbie! - InControl comentating MAchine vs IdrA
oRacLeGosu
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway151 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 00:51:45
April 14 2011 00:48 GMT
#377
Rushing into a game in a foreign country, looking for a netcafe isn't a dream situation, after a loss in the finals from cheese on top of it. He was clearly upset with himself. The game between Morrow and Rainbow lagged like crazy..this might too(?)
a.k.a. [iNF]cALLe - member of TL since around 2002..account dead.
Cranberries
Profile Joined July 2010
Wales567 Posts
April 14 2011 00:48 GMT
#378
On April 14 2011 09:46 Spacemanspiff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:38 Cranberries wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:36 RonaldRayGun wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:31 trashcan wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:27 RonaldRayGun wrote:
This is saddening. Poor Ra.


Poor White Ra, had every chance to make the matches but attended an afterparty and ignored communications instead. Poor White Ra inconvenienced everyone and made Julyzerg wait 4 hours. Poor him.


Where is this info from?

Read my posts.

Your post doesn't have a source. It could be White-ra went and got drunk and forgot about the match. It could be he didn't think he could get to the match anyway so he went to the party before getting on a plane. We don't know any details except for anecdotes.

My friend was there...

In any case, if Whitera gets drunk and forgets about a game ... That's his own fault, isn't it?
Spacemanspiff
Profile Joined September 2010
United States116 Posts
April 14 2011 00:51 GMT
#379
On April 14 2011 09:48 Cranberries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:46 Spacemanspiff wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:38 Cranberries wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:36 RonaldRayGun wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:31 trashcan wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:27 RonaldRayGun wrote:
This is saddening. Poor Ra.


Poor White Ra, had every chance to make the matches but attended an afterparty and ignored communications instead. Poor White Ra inconvenienced everyone and made Julyzerg wait 4 hours. Poor him.


Where is this info from?

Read my posts.

Your post doesn't have a source. It could be White-ra went and got drunk and forgot about the match. It could be he didn't think he could get to the match anyway so he went to the party before getting on a plane. We don't know any details except for anecdotes.

My friend was there...

In any case, if Whitera gets drunk and forgets about a game ... That's his own fault, isn't it?

In that case it would be his own fault. But since there hasn't been any confirmation on when he told NASL or why he possibly went to the party, I would reserve judgement until I had that information.
Coolbeans
Profile Joined April 2010
Ireland162 Posts
April 14 2011 00:52 GMT
#380
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events?
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