EPT[NASL] July awarded 2-0 victory over White-Ra - Page 17
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SwiftSpear
Canada355 Posts
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Ryuuka
Sweden87 Posts
On April 14 2011 08:30 akalarry wrote: out of curiosity, is 4am when the koreans normally play for these online tournaments like tsl and nasl? what time is it for the europeans and north americans? In the NASL it's 4am for the koreans. In the TSL It's different I think, the players can then decide on a time when they want to play, hence the cast watching replays. NASL is recorded live so the players can't just play whenever they want. I'm not sure about all the timezones but 4am in Korea would mean about 10 pm for me. (sweden) | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On April 14 2011 08:27 LuckyFool wrote: Only giving 4 hours for a player who was literally traveling home from dreamhack at that time isn't very accommodating in my opinion. And you don't think a player traveling because he was in the finals of dreamhack is a valid enough exception to delay a match for a day or two? Why couldn't they have played in advance too? There are so many other ways to make sure matches get played other than a walkover which should be the absolute last resort... It should be the NASL's primary goal that matches get played, considering that without matches there's no NASL. What's worse, no game, or a game a day late? Is it accommodating for a player that showed up on time even though it meant waking up at 4 AM and staying awake until 8? I suppose they could have planned in advance, but it would have been up to White-Ra to ask for that and make it happen, and he apparently didn't take the initiative to try to work it out beforehand. Besides, this is hardly anything new. In a lot of smaller tournaments (weeklies etc), picking one tournament over the other means getting eliminated from the one you missed out on if there's a scheduling conflict that can't be resolved quickly enough. Sorting out the conflicts in any other way would be pretty much impossible. | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
On April 14 2011 06:34 Nerdslayer wrote: Dude Julyzerg like many other pros knows that the esport scene is all about the fans. Taking a free win is like saying screw you fans. He should have done the only thing in the book and that would have been a a match in another time. I promise you if the situation has been reversed White-RA would have asked for a rematch, Did you even read the OP, like even a little bit? "We discussed postponing it, but that is something we really can’t do with such an aggressive broadcast schedule." | ||
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Rokk
United States425 Posts
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Cranberries
Wales567 Posts
On April 14 2011 08:35 Ryuuka wrote: In the NASL it's 4am for the koreans. In the TSL It's different I think, the players can then decide on a time when they want to play, hence the cast watching replays. NASL is recorded live so the players can't just play whenever they want. I'm not sure about all the timezones but 4am in Korea would mean about 10 pm for me. (sweden) Yes, and the DH finals were over before 21:45. They finished (as in MC was handed the cheque) at 21:52 Swedish time. I know because my friend was there and she and I were texting constantly (I racked up £22 in text bills >.> fml). She also told me that all the pro-gramers (except SjoW) attended the afterparty. She left before Whitera left, and she left at 04:30~ Swedish time. | ||
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AimForTheBushes
United States1760 Posts
Edit/Addendum: I can't imagine how much of a pain in the ass it is to deal with the scheduling of the matches, due to it being casted live and having to work around the studio time as well. Same server matchups might not be too bad, but in a European vs Korean match, you're basically guaranteeing that someone is playing in the middle of the night/morning, as each participant is in a different third of the world. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 14 2011 08:36 Rokk wrote: Why is everyone complaining about the nasl's decision acting like Whitera is innocent in this case? The four hour grace period was plenty of time for him to finish the finals (and interviews, etc) at Dreamhack and play his matches. Instead, he ignored emails and a phone call and was seen attending an afterparty. It was irresponsible of him to agree to a tournament schedule and then leave people waiting for four hours for him. Of course he is not, the decision is entirely correct. The scheduling on the other hand... | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On April 14 2011 08:42 mcc wrote: Of course he is not, the decision is entirely correct. The scheduling on the other hand... you're all acting as if NASL didn't have an internal schedule and could just go on at random times 24/7 and record their games... they got 5 bo3's a day for 2months or something, have to cast them, run a studio, produce them, get all the players in their matches etc etc and still they waited for 4 hours | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 14 2011 08:42 mcc wrote: Of course he is not, the decision is entirely correct. The scheduling on the other hand... Is also correct, because they set it in stone since they announced it. It's not their fault he couldn't make it. Blame White-Ra for making you guys miss out on these games, not NASL. I love the guy as a player, but to think he deserves special treatment because he was attending another tournament on the day of his match is just silly. | ||
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
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adrenaLinG
Canada676 Posts
Someone go fund a showmatch between them after NASL is done.  | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 14 2011 08:45 FliedLice wrote: you're all acting as if NASL didn't have an internal schedule and could just go on at random times 24/7 and record their games... they got 5 bo3's a day for 2months or something, have to cast them, run a studio, produce them, get all the players in their matches etc etc and still they waited for 4 hours If they knew about this issue even few days in advance then solving the scheduling issue is incredibly easy. They could have : a) rescheduled for previous day and just stay longer/come earlier to the studio b) casted from a replay, that way the only person necessary at the time of the match would have to be referee c) move some match from the incoming days to today and move White-ra/July match on another day b) and c) are as easy as I can imagine. Maybe they have reasons why not to do it, but for now I cannot see any reasonable ones. Of course if they were informed about the DH conflict at the last moment then no error on their side. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On April 14 2011 08:36 Charger wrote: Did you even read the OP, like even a little bit? "We discussed postponing it, but that is something we really can’t do with such an aggressive broadcast schedule." Indeed, the choice was probably either: take free win after getting up at 4AM and waiting for hours, or: get up at 4AM tomorrow again, without guarantee that white-ra will show up since nobody had contact with whitera back then. | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
On April 14 2011 08:27 LuckyFool wrote: Only giving 4 hours for a player who was literally traveling home from dreamhack at that time isn't very accommodating in my opinion. And you don't think a player traveling because he was in the finals of dreamhack is a valid enough exception to delay a match for a day or two? Why couldn't they have played in advance too? There are so many other ways to make sure matches get played other than a walkover which should be the absolute last resort... It should be the NASL's primary goal that matches get played, considering that without matches there's no NASL. What's worse, no game, or a game a day late? They aren't done on the same day. So that four hours is a lot more time they gave him than the rules even allowed. They also have a bunch of other games that need to be played from other contestants, too. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 14 2011 08:46 yamato77 wrote: Is also correct, because they set it in stone since they announced it. It's not their fault he couldn't make it. Blame White-Ra for making you guys miss out on these games, not NASL. I love the guy as a player, but to think he deserves special treatment because he was attending another tournament on the day of his match is just silly. Since the rescheduling would be easy and if done only for big tournaments would not create any dangerous precedent, it is rather strange decision, because NASL wants the game played(or at least they should) since it is in their interest to have games played , especially such prestigious ones. Also I see no reason to blame anyone, but I am questioning their scheduling. Ok, yes I am blaming White-ra and NASL (both for different reasons) for making July wait. | ||
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joheinous
Iceland522 Posts
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
Whole thing sounds like crap to me, I recall the marching anthem from Incontrol how events should be "player focus and for the players and hey doesn't it suck how IdrA couldn't leave GSL to play in a such and such event because of another event" This type of talk was trumpeted over and over again on SOTG.... what a bitter taste of hypocrisy to hear how a 4 hour conflict was resolved in a freewin. There are going to be so many more conflicts as this goes on because you are running every fricken day, you need to deal with these issues appropriately otherwise its going to be quite common that players suddenly drop due to travelling and other events. Maybe you should get the players to play a couple of days in advance swapping out any delayed games with buffer replays from the following day. Amazing how even live events are able to cope with unexpected delays, 5 3way ties and bnet disconnects. I'm sad that the spectators & the event loses out on quality content which could be played from now til next week and watched whenever a day is short. Sad day indeed. | ||
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Diaz
Canada34 Posts
I guess this means it's a live cast only but games were played before? | ||
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