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On April 14 2011 07:09 Rokk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 07:06 -Jambi- wrote:
Why not just make the wait time 15 minutes, after that have a reschedule, and if they fail to show for the reschedule then award forfeit.... This seems like a cop out by everybody considering NASL knew of dreamhack, yet didn't reschedule immediately. This is probably going to be a continuous major problem with having 5 matches everyday especially since a lot of the players are from around the world competing in various tournaments, and have to go about their daily lives. Too many forfeit games and the league will be seen as a big failure. Another issue is the fact that Julyzerg had to wake up at 4 am..... aren't there better times to arrange for both players? I mean why make the players suffer just so Americans can watch it live, spectators will always be able to watch the vods anytime just like its live, but making players play at unreasonable times will only result in worse matches. What time do you suggest a Korean, European, and 2 Americans get together to play a best of 3? And how do you suggest the NASL handles possible rescheduling of their 200+ matches?
.... Why not just have the players agree on times for that week (for a reschedule), and the casters cast the replay. You people think way too much inside the box here. Plus as I already stated if the players are playing at a time they are both comfortable with the quality of the games will most likely be better. Nothing against NASL as they have been alright so far but it just seems a bit ignorant of them calling this the North American Star League, making it a global league, then not even considering time zone issues and scheduling conflicts while having an online global league.
edit > was also thinking as someone else posted why not have other casters on board? There is that one German caster who is pretty good, and tons of others around and it's good to hone up my German skills and learn a few new words, and I am sure there are people who would be willing to cast live if that's what people really want.
I feel sorry for the people who shelled out money to watch forfeit wins and losses :/
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On April 14 2011 07:34 dkream wrote:
July should've given the win instead of him opting that choice.
NASL is running the show and should never transfer the responsibility to players. In my opinion, in case of similar event, NASL should step up and call the shots instead of giving players choice and possibly leaving bad impression on spectators that might not take this too fondly.
cannot agree more.
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I am disappoint, but I am understand decision
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On April 14 2011 07:34 -Jambi- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 07:09 Rokk wrote:On April 14 2011 07:06 -Jambi- wrote:
Why not just make the wait time 15 minutes, after that have a reschedule, and if they fail to show for the reschedule then award forfeit.... This seems like a cop out by everybody considering NASL knew of dreamhack, yet didn't reschedule immediately. This is probably going to be a continuous major problem with having 5 matches everyday especially since a lot of the players are from around the world competing in various tournaments, and have to go about their daily lives. Too many forfeit games and the league will be seen as a big failure. Another issue is the fact that Julyzerg had to wake up at 4 am..... aren't there better times to arrange for both players? I mean why make the players suffer just so Americans can watch it live, spectators will always be able to watch the vods anytime just like its live, but making players play at unreasonable times will only result in worse matches. What time do you suggest a Korean, European, and 2 Americans get together to play a best of 3? And how do you suggest the NASL handles possible rescheduling of their 200+ matches? .... Why not just have the players agree on times for that week (for a reschedule), and the casters cast the replay. You people think way too much inside the box here. Plus as I already stated if the players are playing at a time they are both comfortable with the quality of the games will most likely be better. Nothing against NASL as they have been alright so far but it just seems a bit ignorant of them calling this the North American Star League, making it a global league, then not even considering time zone issues and scheduling conflicts while having an online global league. edit > was also thinking as someone else posted why not have other casters on board? There is that one German caster who is pretty good, and tons of others around and it's good to hone up my German skills and learn a few new words, and I am sure there are people who would be willing to cast live if that's what people really want. I feel sorry for the people who shelled out money to watch forfeit wins and losses :/
Tournament organizers have ALWAYS complained about the difficulty of getting replays consistently and on time from their participants. The NASL would have a huge amount of work to ensure they get the needed replays by the deadline. If the players missed that, the league would need some sort of penalty system to make sure that players actually submit replays, just as they do now for players missing their scheduled game time.
There are tradeoffs to every method of running a tournament. Everything isn't as black and white as you make it seem.
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good call on NASL and very nice from July just to wait 4 hours, which is more than 5 times what he needed to wait for him. So sorry for White-Ra
still have high hopes for today's games anyway
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On April 14 2011 07:38 nkwd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 07:34 dkream wrote:
July should've given the win instead of him opting that choice.
NASL is running the show and should never transfer the responsibility to players. In my opinion, in case of similar event, NASL should step up and call the shots instead of giving players choice and possibly leaving bad impression on spectators that might not take this too fondly. cannot agree more.
2nd, Nasl step your game up.
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On April 14 2011 07:33 Ancient.eu wrote:
This is a wrong way to do things.
A forfeit for not showing for unknown reasons is ok, but for not showing because of being in the finals of a global invitational, that is ridiculous.
NASL is a 3 month long tournament, of course there will be scheduling conflicts with other tournaments during this long time. As long as you are notified by the player in advance, simply reschedule the match, what's so complicated about that ?
What's so complicated about that?
Did you actually look at the number of games they have to process during the next months?
If already start rescheduling matches on the second day of broadcast things would get totally out of hand during the next months... there'd be days with like only 1 game and in the end they'd have 20 matches they didn't cast because they were rescheduled and didn't fit into the schedule anymore. And at some point they had to stop rescheduling, then the players start to complain because it's not fair looking at the players who had their games postponed, etc etc etc... This tournament is not some random fun online thing, it's serious business and requires serious organization. Some people here chilling on front of their PCs at home go like "AW MAN BUT IT'S SO EEAAAASY" without actually knowing what's going on behind the scenes.
From reading the news NASL put out they even did way more than they probably had to. Contacting dreamhack, them trying to contact White-Ra, waiting 4 HOURS instead of 45 minutes for the games to begin.
On top of that Sjow actually managed to get his games played.
I love White-Ra as much as everyone else, but I can't see how this is NASL's fault at all.
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On April 14 2011 05:25 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 05:23 djWHEAT wrote:
This was the match I was hoping to watch tonight :X same, only match worth watching tonight tbh
Same. -_-
There goes the dream match. :/
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On April 14 2011 07:06 -Jambi- wrote:
.... Why not just have the players agree on times for that week (for a reschedule), and the casters cast the replay. You people think way too much inside the box here.
This is what leads to anarchy. With games every day, I feel NASL waited too long for Whitera. You show up in time for your match or you forfeit, no (even understandable!) excuses. It is the most respectful way to run things. July should not have to wait around 4 hours. And if such are the rules, Whitera just has to accept the forfeit.
Without such rules it is a slippery slope.
Maybe when things get to the later rounds and there are less games per day perhaps NASL can be a bit more forgiving for scheduling. But scheduling people from around the world every day...make a no exceptions rule or else IT WILL END UP UNFAIR to someone as the line will move around.
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On April 14 2011 07:45 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 07:33 Ancient.eu wrote:
This is a wrong way to do things.
A forfeit for not showing for unknown reasons is ok, but for not showing because of being in the finals of a global invitational, that is ridiculous.
NASL is a 3 month long tournament, of course there will be scheduling conflicts with other tournaments during this long time. As long as you are notified by the player in advance, simply reschedule the match, what's so complicated about that ? What's so complicated about that? Did you actually look at the number of games they have to process during the next months? If already start rescheduling matches on the second day of broadcast things would get totally out of hand during the next months... there'd be days with like only 1 game and in the end they'd have 20 matches they didn't cast because they were rescheduled and didn't fit into the schedule anymore. This tournament is not some random fun online thing, it's serious business and requires serious organization. Some people here chilling on front of their PCs at home go like "AW MAN BUT IT'S SO EEAAAASY" without actually knowing what's going on behind the scenes. From reading the news NASL put out they even did way more than they probably had to. Contacting dreamhack, them trying to contact White-Ra, waiting 4 HOURS instead of 45 minutes for the games to begin. On top of that Sjow actually managed to get his games played. I love White-Ra as much as everyone else, but I can't see how this is NASL's fault at all.
Well, the NASL schedule conflicts heavily with MLG Columbus so I hope they have a workaround for that weekend.
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this sucks... oh well, as long as the liquibet doesnt count im all good 
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Sounds like NASL did all they could. White-Ra was invited to the tournament and accepted. You would assume he would make it to his games. Double booking is not acceptable, like you would get pissed off if a doctor did this to you and you had to reschedule. Its not fair on NASL to have to deal with this and on the fans and spectators who expected to watch him.
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What are the point of rules if people are free to break it. The game is played on a set time and a 45 minute grace time is given. You don't show up, the other player should be given the win. White Ra is not a special person that NASL should tweak something for him. Sure, White Ra was busy and had another tourney. No special action should happen.
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On April 14 2011 07:45 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 07:33 Ancient.eu wrote:
This is a wrong way to do things.
A forfeit for not showing for unknown reasons is ok, but for not showing because of being in the finals of a global invitational, that is ridiculous.
NASL is a 3 month long tournament, of course there will be scheduling conflicts with other tournaments during this long time. As long as you are notified by the player in advance, simply reschedule the match, what's so complicated about that ? What's so complicated about that? Did you actually look at the number of games they have to process during the next months? If already start rescheduling matches on the second day of broadcast things would get totally out of hand during the next months... there'd be days with like only 1 game and in the end they'd have 20 matches they didn't cast because they were rescheduled and didn't fit into the schedule anymore. This tournament is not some random fun online thing, it's serious business and requires serious organization. Some people here chilling on front of their PCs at home go like "AW MAN BUT IT'S SO EEAAAASY" without actually knowing what's going on behind the scenes.
Dreamhack schedule has been known for a long time. If White-Ra informed about the conflict several days (preferably weeks) in advance, rescheduling should have been doable. But we don't know if he informed NASL reasonably early, as this information was not released.
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Unfortunate but understandable of course. Agreed with others that NASL should not give July that choice - simply award him the win. It's an unfair position to put him in.
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On April 14 2011 07:48 odder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 07:45 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 07:33 Ancient.eu wrote:
This is a wrong way to do things.
A forfeit for not showing for unknown reasons is ok, but for not showing because of being in the finals of a global invitational, that is ridiculous.
NASL is a 3 month long tournament, of course there will be scheduling conflicts with other tournaments during this long time. As long as you are notified by the player in advance, simply reschedule the match, what's so complicated about that ? What's so complicated about that? Did you actually look at the number of games they have to process during the next months? If already start rescheduling matches on the second day of broadcast things would get totally out of hand during the next months... there'd be days with like only 1 game and in the end they'd have 20 matches they didn't cast because they were rescheduled and didn't fit into the schedule anymore. This tournament is not some random fun online thing, it's serious business and requires serious organization. Some people here chilling on front of their PCs at home go like "AW MAN BUT IT'S SO EEAAAASY" without actually knowing what's going on behind the scenes. From reading the news NASL put out they even did way more than they probably had to. Contacting dreamhack, them trying to contact White-Ra, waiting 4 HOURS instead of 45 minutes for the games to begin. On top of that Sjow actually managed to get his games played. I love White-Ra as much as everyone else, but I can't see how this is NASL's fault at all. Well, the NASL schedule conflicts heavily with MLG Columbus so I hope they have a workaround for that weekend.
heavily? how? unless for some reason MLG columbus isn't over a weekend. they would just do it like how they are doing it now, cept play friday's matches to anywhere in between monday-thursday. they dont cast live, so it wouldnt matter, just record and broadcast on friday.
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Nooooo :'(, sadpanda, was so looking forward to that match.
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loving the people who have never planned a legitimate event in their life, let alone a big global one, who are bitching and acting like there are so many better obvious solutions.
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Fair enough would have loved to have seen that game tho.
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I can't believe nasl admins couldn't just delay this match....
I know its a tight schedule but seriously there are times for exceptions and this would have been one of those times. wow.
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