• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 12:19
CET 18:19
KST 02:19
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion7Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)16Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7
StarCraft 2
General
PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey! When will we find out if there are more tournament Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win I am looking for StarCraft 2 Beta Patch files
Tourneys
$70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open! SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC2 AI Tournament 2026 $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone
Brood War
General
A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Gypsy to Korea Video Footage from 2005: The Birth of G2 in Spain
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 Small VOD Thread 2.0 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread NASA and the Private Sector Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Navigating the Risks and Rew…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1757 users

[NASL] July awarded 2-0 victory over White-Ra - Page 15

Forum Index > SC2 General
787 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 40 Next All
-Jambi-
Profile Joined September 2010
United States60 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 22:39:41
April 13 2011 22:34 GMT
#281
On April 14 2011 07:09 Rokk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 07:06 -Jambi- wrote:
Why not just make the wait time 15 minutes, after that have a reschedule, and if they fail to show for the reschedule then award forfeit.... This seems like a cop out by everybody considering NASL knew of dreamhack, yet didn't reschedule immediately. This is probably going to be a continuous major problem with having 5 matches everyday especially since a lot of the players are from around the world competing in various tournaments, and have to go about their daily lives. Too many forfeit games and the league will be seen as a big failure. Another issue is the fact that Julyzerg had to wake up at 4 am..... aren't there better times to arrange for both players? I mean why make the players suffer just so Americans can watch it live, spectators will always be able to watch the vods anytime just like its live, but making players play at unreasonable times will only result in worse matches.

What time do you suggest a Korean, European, and 2 Americans get together to play a best of 3? And how do you suggest the NASL handles possible rescheduling of their 200+ matches?


.... Why not just have the players agree on times for that week (for a reschedule), and the casters cast the replay. You people think way too much inside the box here. Plus as I already stated if the players are playing at a time they are both comfortable with the quality of the games will most likely be better. Nothing against NASL as they have been alright so far but it just seems a bit ignorant of them calling this the North American Star League, making it a global league, then not even considering time zone issues and scheduling conflicts while having an online global league.

edit > was also thinking as someone else posted why not have other casters on board? There is that one German caster who is pretty good, and tons of others around and it's good to hone up my German skills and learn a few new words, and I am sure there are people who would be willing to cast live if that's what people really want.

I feel sorry for the people who shelled out money to watch forfeit wins and losses :/
nkwd
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States99 Posts
April 13 2011 22:38 GMT
#282
On April 14 2011 07:34 dkream wrote:
July should've given the win instead of him opting that choice.

NASL is running the show and should never transfer the responsibility to players. In my opinion, in case of similar event, NASL should step up and call the shots instead of giving players choice and possibly leaving bad impression on spectators that might not take this too fondly.

cannot agree more.
Team MnM http://mnmsc2.com http://www.sc2ranks.com/c/823/
Sakenator
Profile Joined February 2011
United States45 Posts
April 13 2011 22:40 GMT
#283
I am disappoint, but I am understand decision
The true tyranny of men lies in their deliberate unwillingness to seek the truth
Rokk
Profile Joined March 2010
United States425 Posts
April 13 2011 22:43 GMT
#284
On April 14 2011 07:34 -Jambi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 07:09 Rokk wrote:
On April 14 2011 07:06 -Jambi- wrote:
Why not just make the wait time 15 minutes, after that have a reschedule, and if they fail to show for the reschedule then award forfeit.... This seems like a cop out by everybody considering NASL knew of dreamhack, yet didn't reschedule immediately. This is probably going to be a continuous major problem with having 5 matches everyday especially since a lot of the players are from around the world competing in various tournaments, and have to go about their daily lives. Too many forfeit games and the league will be seen as a big failure. Another issue is the fact that Julyzerg had to wake up at 4 am..... aren't there better times to arrange for both players? I mean why make the players suffer just so Americans can watch it live, spectators will always be able to watch the vods anytime just like its live, but making players play at unreasonable times will only result in worse matches.

What time do you suggest a Korean, European, and 2 Americans get together to play a best of 3? And how do you suggest the NASL handles possible rescheduling of their 200+ matches?


.... Why not just have the players agree on times for that week (for a reschedule), and the casters cast the replay. You people think way too much inside the box here. Plus as I already stated if the players are playing at a time they are both comfortable with the quality of the games will most likely be better. Nothing against NASL as they have been alright so far but it just seems a bit ignorant of them calling this the North American Star League, making it a global league, then not even considering time zone issues and scheduling conflicts while having an online global league.

edit > was also thinking as someone else posted why not have other casters on board? There is that one German caster who is pretty good, and tons of others around and it's good to hone up my German skills and learn a few new words, and I am sure there are people who would be willing to cast live if that's what people really want.

I feel sorry for the people who shelled out money to watch forfeit wins and losses :/

Tournament organizers have ALWAYS complained about the difficulty of getting replays consistently and on time from their participants. The NASL would have a huge amount of work to ensure they get the needed replays by the deadline. If the players missed that, the league would need some sort of penalty system to make sure that players actually submit replays, just as they do now for players missing their scheduled game time.

There are tradeoffs to every method of running a tournament. Everything isn't as black and white as you make it seem.
sashamunguia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico423 Posts
April 13 2011 22:43 GMT
#285
good call on NASL and very nice from July just to wait 4 hours, which is more than 5 times what he needed to wait for him. So sorry for White-Ra

still have high hopes for today's games anyway
"only the need for meaning changes how you feel about what you see" "he who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life" "being a Rebel is as stupid as to be completely Obedient"
Audio
Profile Joined March 2010
United States60 Posts
April 13 2011 22:44 GMT
#286
On April 14 2011 07:38 nkwd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 07:34 dkream wrote:
July should've given the win instead of him opting that choice.

NASL is running the show and should never transfer the responsibility to players. In my opinion, in case of similar event, NASL should step up and call the shots instead of giving players choice and possibly leaving bad impression on spectators that might not take this too fondly.

cannot agree more.



2nd, Nasl step your game up.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 22:50:38
April 13 2011 22:45 GMT
#287
On April 14 2011 07:33 Ancient.eu wrote:
This is a wrong way to do things.

A forfeit for not showing for unknown reasons is ok, but for not showing because of being in the finals of a global invitational, that is ridiculous.

NASL is a 3 month long tournament, of course there will be scheduling conflicts with other tournaments during this long time. As long as you are notified by the player in advance, simply reschedule the match, what's so complicated about that ?


What's so complicated about that?

Did you actually look at the number of games they have to process during the next months?

If already start rescheduling matches on the second day of broadcast things would get totally out of hand during the next months... there'd be days with like only 1 game and in the end they'd have 20 matches they didn't cast because they were rescheduled and didn't fit into the schedule anymore. And at some point they had to stop rescheduling, then the players start to complain because it's not fair looking at the players who had their games postponed, etc etc etc... This tournament is not some random fun online thing, it's serious business and requires serious organization. Some people here chilling on front of their PCs at home go like "AW MAN BUT IT'S SO EEAAAASY" without actually knowing what's going on behind the scenes.

From reading the news NASL put out they even did way more than they probably had to. Contacting dreamhack, them trying to contact White-Ra, waiting 4 HOURS instead of 45 minutes for the games to begin.
On top of that Sjow actually managed to get his games played.

I love White-Ra as much as everyone else, but I can't see how this is NASL's fault at all.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 13 2011 22:46 GMT
#288
On April 14 2011 05:25 masterbreti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 05:23 djWHEAT wrote:
This was the match I was hoping to watch tonight :X


same, only match worth watching tonight tbh



Same. -_-

There goes the dream match. :/
Peekaboo
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada219 Posts
April 13 2011 22:48 GMT
#289

On April 14 2011 07:06 -Jambi- wrote:

.... Why not just have the players agree on times for that week (for a reschedule), and the casters cast the replay. You people think way too much inside the box here.



This is what leads to anarchy. With games every day, I feel NASL waited too long for Whitera. You show up in time for your match or you forfeit, no (even understandable!) excuses. It is the most respectful way to run things. July should not have to wait around 4 hours. And if such are the rules, Whitera just has to accept the forfeit.

Without such rules it is a slippery slope.

Maybe when things get to the later rounds and there are less games per day perhaps NASL can be a bit more forgiving for scheduling. But scheduling people from around the world every day...make a no exceptions rule or else IT WILL END UP UNFAIR to someone as the line will move around.
You loved me as a loser but now you're worried that I just might win. -L. Cohen
odder
Profile Joined April 2010
United States405 Posts
April 13 2011 22:48 GMT
#290
On April 14 2011 07:45 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 07:33 Ancient.eu wrote:
This is a wrong way to do things.

A forfeit for not showing for unknown reasons is ok, but for not showing because of being in the finals of a global invitational, that is ridiculous.

NASL is a 3 month long tournament, of course there will be scheduling conflicts with other tournaments during this long time. As long as you are notified by the player in advance, simply reschedule the match, what's so complicated about that ?


What's so complicated about that?

Did you actually look at the number of games they have to process during the next months?

If already start rescheduling matches on the second day of broadcast things would get totally out of hand during the next months... there'd be days with like only 1 game and in the end they'd have 20 matches they didn't cast because they were rescheduled and didn't fit into the schedule anymore. This tournament is not some random fun online thing, it's serious business and requires serious organization. Some people here chilling on front of their PCs at home go like "AW MAN BUT IT'S SO EEAAAASY" without actually knowing what's going on behind the scenes.

From reading the news NASL put out they even did way more than they probably had to. Contacting dreamhack, them trying to contact White-Ra, waiting 4 HOURS instead of 45 minutes for the games to begin.
On top of that Sjow actually managed to get his games played.

I love White-Ra as much as everyone else, but I can't see how this is NASL's fault at all.


Well, the NASL schedule conflicts heavily with MLG Columbus so I hope they have a workaround for that weekend.
nufcrulz
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore934 Posts
April 13 2011 22:51 GMT
#291
this sucks... oh well, as long as the liquibet doesnt count im all good
coolpants
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom29 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 22:53:44
April 13 2011 22:52 GMT
#292
Sounds like NASL did all they could. White-Ra was invited to the tournament and accepted. You would assume he would make it to his games. Double booking is not acceptable, like you would get pissed off if a doctor did this to you and you had to reschedule. Its not fair on NASL to have to deal with this and on the fans and spectators who expected to watch him.
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
April 13 2011 22:52 GMT
#293
What are the point of rules if people are free to break it. The game is played on a set time and a 45 minute grace time is given. You don't show up, the other player should be given the win. White Ra is not a special person that NASL should tweak something for him. Sure, White Ra was busy and had another tourney. No special action should happen.
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
April 13 2011 22:53 GMT
#294
On April 14 2011 07:45 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 07:33 Ancient.eu wrote:
This is a wrong way to do things.

A forfeit for not showing for unknown reasons is ok, but for not showing because of being in the finals of a global invitational, that is ridiculous.

NASL is a 3 month long tournament, of course there will be scheduling conflicts with other tournaments during this long time. As long as you are notified by the player in advance, simply reschedule the match, what's so complicated about that ?


What's so complicated about that?

Did you actually look at the number of games they have to process during the next months?

If already start rescheduling matches on the second day of broadcast things would get totally out of hand during the next months... there'd be days with like only 1 game and in the end they'd have 20 matches they didn't cast because they were rescheduled and didn't fit into the schedule anymore. This tournament is not some random fun online thing, it's serious business and requires serious organization. Some people here chilling on front of their PCs at home go like "AW MAN BUT IT'S SO EEAAAASY" without actually knowing what's going on behind the scenes.


Dreamhack schedule has been known for a long time. If White-Ra informed about the conflict several days (preferably weeks) in advance, rescheduling should have been doable. But we don't know if he informed NASL reasonably early, as this information was not released.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
April 13 2011 22:54 GMT
#295
Unfortunate but understandable of course. Agreed with others that NASL should not give July that choice - simply award him the win. It's an unfair position to put him in.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 22:59:11
April 13 2011 22:58 GMT
#296
On April 14 2011 07:48 odder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 07:45 FliedLice wrote:
On April 14 2011 07:33 Ancient.eu wrote:
This is a wrong way to do things.

A forfeit for not showing for unknown reasons is ok, but for not showing because of being in the finals of a global invitational, that is ridiculous.

NASL is a 3 month long tournament, of course there will be scheduling conflicts with other tournaments during this long time. As long as you are notified by the player in advance, simply reschedule the match, what's so complicated about that ?


What's so complicated about that?

Did you actually look at the number of games they have to process during the next months?

If already start rescheduling matches on the second day of broadcast things would get totally out of hand during the next months... there'd be days with like only 1 game and in the end they'd have 20 matches they didn't cast because they were rescheduled and didn't fit into the schedule anymore. This tournament is not some random fun online thing, it's serious business and requires serious organization. Some people here chilling on front of their PCs at home go like "AW MAN BUT IT'S SO EEAAAASY" without actually knowing what's going on behind the scenes.

From reading the news NASL put out they even did way more than they probably had to. Contacting dreamhack, them trying to contact White-Ra, waiting 4 HOURS instead of 45 minutes for the games to begin.
On top of that Sjow actually managed to get his games played.

I love White-Ra as much as everyone else, but I can't see how this is NASL's fault at all.


Well, the NASL schedule conflicts heavily with MLG Columbus so I hope they have a workaround for that weekend.


heavily? how? unless for some reason MLG columbus isn't over a weekend. they would just do it like how they are doing it now, cept play friday's matches to anywhere in between monday-thursday. they dont cast live, so it wouldnt matter, just record and broadcast on friday.
banana
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands1189 Posts
April 13 2011 23:01 GMT
#297
Nooooo :'(, sadpanda, was so looking forward to that match.
ploy
Profile Joined January 2006
United States416 Posts
April 13 2011 23:05 GMT
#298
loving the people who have never planned a legitimate event in their life, let alone a big global one, who are bitching and acting like there are so many better obvious solutions.

Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
April 13 2011 23:08 GMT
#299
Fair enough would have loved to have seen that game tho.
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
April 13 2011 23:10 GMT
#300
I can't believe nasl admins couldn't just delay this match....

I know its a tight schedule but seriously there are times for exceptions and this would have been one of those times. wow.
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 40 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 7h 42m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 459
BRAT_OK 140
ProTech132
Livibee 71
FoxeR 55
UpATreeSC 20
MindelVK 12
JuggernautJason8
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 8568
Calm 2937
Larva 849
BeSt 473
Mini 437
Soma 421
Snow 173
hero 152
Rush 108
Hyun 64
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 48
Mind 43
Hm[arnc] 25
soO 23
Barracks 22
Movie 15
Terrorterran 14
Sexy 12
HiyA 11
scan(afreeca) 10
Dota 2
Gorgc5616
singsing2415
qojqva1710
Dendi272
febbydoto7
Counter-Strike
fl0m1030
Fnx 885
byalli663
Other Games
Grubby5447
B2W.Neo1183
hiko637
allub357
Fuzer 208
DeMusliM172
QueenE159
ToD107
oskar97
ArmadaUGS79
KnowMe38
Liquid`Ken9
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 7
• Pr0nogo 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2212
League of Legends
• TFBlade1093
Other Games
• Shiphtur338
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
7h 42m
The PondCast
16h 42m
OSC
17h 42m
Big Brain Bouts
2 days
Serral vs TBD
BSL 21
3 days
BSL 21
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-19
SC2 All-Star Inv. 2025
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W5
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.