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[NASL] July awarded 2-0 victory over White-Ra - Page 14

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Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
April 13 2011 22:11 GMT
#261
At first I was pissed because the result was spoiled but now I see... It's a shame too because this is the match I was most looking forward to watching tonight. Oh well.
PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
April 13 2011 22:12 GMT
#262
reasonable decision, glad to see they at least tried.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 22:15:51
April 13 2011 22:12 GMT
#263
On April 14 2011 07:06 -Jambi- wrote:
Another issue is the fact that Julyzerg had to wake up at 4 am..... aren't there better times to arrange for both players? I mean why make the players suffer just so Americans can watch it live, spectators will always be able to watch the vods anytime just like its live, but making players play at unreasonable times will only result in worse matches.


watch it live? that makes no sense at all.. dreamhack was yesterday and the broadcast of the game in question would have been today. you don't watch it live, it gets casted while the game is happening and broadcasted a day after

that still means tho that when they have matches between EU and KR they have to manage 3 time zones... European time for one player, Korean time for the other one and Westcoast-US time for the NASL guys... it's just inevitable for someone to play in the middle of the night i assume




i really understand why there are any discussions or confusion about this at all... the info NASL put out explains everything perfectly fine :|
Kevmeister @ Dota2
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
April 13 2011 22:13 GMT
#264
On April 14 2011 07:03 dkream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 06:34 Nerdslayer wrote:

Dude Julyzerg like many other pros knows that the esport scene is all about the fans. Taking a free win is like saying screw you fans. He should have done the only thing in the book and that would have been a a match in another time. I promise you if the situation has been reversed White-RA would have asked for a rematch,


LOL is this comment for real? Iunno why im even bothering to write on this but

July's been in scene forever now and knows what's up. He acted like professional and chose to wait for white-ra for 4 hours.


And 4 hours is more than even a professional should be expected to wait. July acted like a friend. He is completely blameless in this entire situation and gets a big shiny gold star in my book.
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
April 13 2011 22:14 GMT
#265
On April 14 2011 05:15 ch33psh33p wrote:
A 4 hour wait period seems more than fair.

Thats very fair imo.

Sad to see but oh well
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Shirohige
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany398 Posts
April 13 2011 22:16 GMT
#266
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

But seems like a fair decision

Lookin forward to the other games.
Suffering is good on the path to carnage
Agnosthar
Profile Joined August 2010
631 Posts
April 13 2011 22:17 GMT
#267
Even though White-ra is the nicest guy ever and I'm saddened he had to forfeit, it's probably the right decision based purely on the set of events as described in the first post.
Nightkaira
Profile Joined March 2011
Singapore412 Posts
April 13 2011 22:17 GMT
#268
I think the reason white ra did not reply is because he understood the ruls and thought he had been walked over after 45mins. As much as he had to be blamed he knew the rules well himself.


But. Lol juat check those mails =P
luftrofl
Profile Joined November 2010
United States27 Posts
April 13 2011 22:18 GMT
#269
after waking up at 4:00 am to play his match and waiting patiently for 4 hours


wow, x_x I can't even get to bed by 4am
I play random so I can blame my losses as being off-race... ;)
Philo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States337 Posts
April 13 2011 22:22 GMT
#270
I dont know how any community organization could do this to White-Ra.
I mean for Christ's sake "He Cares" about each and every one of us.

Nah but for serious, thats sad, fair call though.
Other people do 24 hour streams. I just let GoOdy play a Bo11 TvT. - Special Endrey
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
April 13 2011 22:23 GMT
#271
Fair decision its just too bad we couldnt see more special tactics tonight :'(
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
oncewasblind
Profile Joined July 2010
United States22 Posts
April 13 2011 22:25 GMT
#272
On April 14 2011 05:18 Turgid wrote:
Yeah that's really sad. I suppose these things happen though. Didn't... Kyrix? Or maybe it was MarineKing... someone showed up really late for their GSL match in like GSL2 and they nearly gave it to the other person.


Kyrix showed up late for GSL2 R16 against MKP. Thankfully they let him play, because that was an amazing series. I still show my friends match 1, where MKP unveiled his amazing marine micro to win against mass banelings.
sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
April 13 2011 22:26 GMT
#273
On April 14 2011 07:09 Rokk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 07:06 -Jambi- wrote:
Why not just make the wait time 15 minutes, after that have a reschedule, and if they fail to show for the reschedule then award forfeit.... This seems like a cop out by everybody considering NASL knew of dreamhack, yet didn't reschedule immediately. This is probably going to be a continuous major problem with having 5 matches everyday especially since a lot of the players are from around the world competing in various tournaments, and have to go about their daily lives. Too many forfeit games and the league will be seen as a big failure. Another issue is the fact that Julyzerg had to wake up at 4 am..... aren't there better times to arrange for both players? I mean why make the players suffer just so Americans can watch it live, spectators will always be able to watch the vods anytime just like its live, but making players play at unreasonable times will only result in worse matches.

What time do you suggest a Korean, European, and 2 Americans get together to play a best of 3? And how do you suggest the NASL handles possible rescheduling of their 200+ matches?

Around 24.00 GMT would probably the most reasonably time - 08.00 in Korea, 15.00-18.00 depending on where you are in the US. 07.00-08.00 GMT would also work, but I doubt the US casters would work at that time.

It's an understandable decision, but better scheduling for the players would be prefered since they're in different timezones and have to play on very inconvenient times to accomodate the american casters/players. As for White-Ra missing out, it's not surprising. When the finals were over, he was already 1h overdue for his match against July, and probably had to stick around for a while for interviews and whatnot. Sending an email isn't really efficient if he didn't have a computer to check it, and a single phone call is easily missed - nevermind actually finding an IT-café in Stockholm late at night.

Maybe they should have games between EU and KR casted from someone in Europe or Korea instead - probably hard to implement right now, but would allow the players to play at better times when waiting for 4 hours isn't that big an issue. Should be considered for future games.
1000 at least.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
April 13 2011 22:28 GMT
#274
4 Hour wait seems excessive, after 1 hour I'd expect a forfeit.

I love white-ra so much, but I can't find any fault in NASL or July for this.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 22:31:38
April 13 2011 22:30 GMT
#275
Ah man, that really sucks. I wouldn't have been able to watch the games myself, but I know a lot of people were looking forward to them. (I would be too if I could see them)

There's absolutely no reason to hate on July. Yeah, it kinda sucks for the fans, but that's White Ra's fault just as much (I'd argue more) as it is July's. After getting up at 4am and waiting 4 hours on top of that, he's perfectly entitled to take the win without receiving any flak for it.
"Killer helped me feel better before coming to the arena. He told me to say that." - Bomber
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
April 13 2011 22:31 GMT
#276
NASL did more than they probably needed to.

Glad to see almost unanimous support for their decision here.

WhiteRa will probably still clean up the rest of his group too with his special tactics.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
aztrorisk
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States896 Posts
April 13 2011 22:31 GMT
#277
Thats fair.
A lock that opens to many keys is a bad lock. A key that opens many locks is a master key.
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
April 13 2011 22:32 GMT
#278
To all the haters of broadcasting a day after recording,

Imagine if you had to wait through this...

<3 NASL. Take constructive criticism and ignore the haters!
We talkin about PRACTICE
Ancient.eu
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania621 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 22:34:44
April 13 2011 22:33 GMT
#279
This is a wrong way to do things.

A forfeit for not showing for unknown reasons is ok, but for not showing because of being in the finals of a global invitational, that is ridiculous.

NASL is a 3 month long tournament, of course there will be scheduling conflicts with other tournaments during this long time. As long as you are notified by the player in advance, simply reschedule the match, what's so complicated about that ?
dkream
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada36 Posts
April 13 2011 22:34 GMT
#280
I really hope the staff of NASL reads this and hopefully make adjustment on their final decision process.

I hate to see players being put on a tough spot and having to making decisions.

This 4 hour wait, whether it was voluntary part by July or not, should not have occured on the first place. Both White-ra and NASL were aware of possible schedule conflict and something needed to be done beforehand instead of having a player wait in obsecurity.
They should have stick to their rules(and yes I am aware of the reason for extending waiting time stated in OP) and mores strict when it comes to enforcing them, giving no exception. Once they start bending rules, it is always easier to bend for second time. Also July should've given the win instead of him opting that choice.

NASL is running the show and should never transfer the responsibility to players. In my opinion, in case of similar event, NASL should step up and call the shots instead of giving players choice and possibly leaving bad impression on spectators that might not take this too fondly.
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