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On April 14 2011 10:14 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:05 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict. You didn't even think for a single second before making that post, right? Might also want to read the thread... Also, I'm sure White-Ra had a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything that happened.
There's actually evidence that points to the contrary, but you're right - we can't judge until we know for sure what happened.
On the other hand, do you think it's fair to July to force a reschedule after a voluntary wait of 4 hours? Either they reschedule immediately after a short time frame, or they award the walkover. 4 hours is bullshit. However, if there are factors which disallow rescheduling (as apparently there are), then tough luck. It's not NASL's fault that they can't reschedule, and Ra knew this.
At the end of the day, as long as we don't know what happened on Ra's end, blame can't be placed. You can be the optimist and think that Ra had good reasons - others can also think that he somehow forgot and went to party.
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Sounds reasonable and fair to me. However, I suspect some form of biasness? I don't think some unknown player would be accorded to the same treatment that WhiteRa had (i.e 4 hours of waiting).
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On April 14 2011 10:20 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:15 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:12 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:08 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:05 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 09:58 Cranberries wrote:Proof, or are we still under the speculation that this is totally a scheduling problem? :D The point is not whether White-ra went to the party I hope that is already established as a fact. But that does not say anything about why he did he decided not to play. And it is scheduling problem anyway, because it was scheduled on the same day and even on the same hour as DH tournament. Yeah. Finding a time when a Korean, two Americans, as well as Whitera ... As well as all the other players on the same day for NASL Day 1-2 to play and streamline efficiently so it can be broadcasted in a polished manner sure is easy. Wait, what? Should I again requote 3 easy solutions to rescheduling problem that I already posted ? I will use just one. Why not let White-ra and July play earlier and cast from replays. I highly doubt White-ra and July would be incapable of finding the time to play, especially since EU time and KST have a lot of day overlap and you just need to find one referee to be present for the game, which can be any trustworthy European, Korean or even American and it would not be hard to find such a person. Clearly the NASL organisers have a set way to do things. It is by this set method that they're doing it. I assume the players had to sign some sort of agreement towards the terms and regulations (a EULA/ToS, if you will) of the tournament in order to participate. What the hell is wrong with you people? And if you note I am not saying the forfeit decision was bad, just that their scheduling rules/decisions are bad. If they had more flexible scheduling decisions(easily achievable), but still precisely written and enforced, the end-result would be better for viewers and for NASL.
So tell me this:
Artosis has to cast the GSL. He plays in the NASL. Like Julyzerg he has to wake up at 4am for his game. He also has to cast the GSL, possibly, on the same day. He's going to have to wake up at 4am for it. In a tournament "this big" you cannot be flexible for one person ... When one person is special, other people demand that special treatment: then you get a bunch of whining little shits who want to play when they're feeling up to it.
The scheduling may be bad - but if every other player and their mother can make the times, Whitera should be able to. Hell, SjoW made sure he was able to play and he even stayed to the end of the DH finals...
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would've been a great series but bl to WhiteRa.
feel bad for July waking up at 4am too for this 
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It's unfortunate but I'm hell, July fighting!
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On April 14 2011 10:14 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:05 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict. You didn't even think for a single second before making that post, right? Might also want to read the thread... I did read the thread. White-Ra was unavailable for the game, which was totally understandable considering the circumstances. The point is, they should have rescheduled instead of just awarding the win to July. Also, I'm sure White-Ra had a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything that happened.
I might disagree with a lot of people in this thread about rescheduling, but no, they should have rescheduled long time before yesterday. As they did not as is their prerogative, the ruling to give win to July was perfectly correct. They just should not have left July waiting for 4h and do it sooner.
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On April 14 2011 10:22 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. Of course it's easier for SjoW! He lives here in Sweden, he has access to a suitable computer late a night - he probably just played from home. White-Ra is in a foreign country, he probaby thought he would be able to use the Dreamhack computers but that wasn't possible, so what's he gonna do? Play from a laptop? I think it's understandable he couldn't find a computer to play on.
If you would've read the OP you could've seen that SjoW played from a LAN center close to the venue that Ra could have played at also. The problem was not that he couldn't find a computer, it's that no one was able to reach him for 4 hours. Please, read the OP before commenting 
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On April 14 2011 10:22 PraetorianX wrote
Of course it's easier for SjoW! He lives here in Sweden, he has access to a suitable computer late a night - he probably just played from home. White-Ra is in a foreign country, he probaby thought he would be able to use the Dreamhack computers but that wasn't possible, so what's he gonna do? Play from a laptop? I think it's understandable he couldn't find a computer to play on.
sjow played from a lan center that was open late, im sure he would have had no problem telling white ra where the lan center was, if you fully read the explanation post you should have known that.
"SjoW had a similar situation to White-Ra as he was also participating in the event. SjoW informed us that there was a LAN center close by to the Dreamhack venue that the matches could be played from. SjoW managed to make arrangements to show up in order to play his match. After two emails and a phone call to White-Ra, I heard no response."
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WhiteRa, being the baller he is, probably hit it off with some Swede chick and was subsequently 'occupied'. Yes, I know he has a wife.
We all know who the real winner is here.
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"SjoW had a similar situation to White-Ra as he was also participating in the event. SjoW informed us that there was a LAN center close by to the Dreamhack venue that the matches could be played from. SjoW managed to make arrangements to show up in order to play his match. After two emails and a phone call to White-Ra, I heard no response."
After reading this in the OP, how can anyone claim that White-Ra is not at fault here?
On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter.
If you play an online tournament live, there will be cheating. See TSL #2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=107745
If there was going to be a conflict in a player's schedule, it's their responsibility to try to work around it. July woke up in the middle of the night in time for his match, and waited 4 hours. This is pretty disrespectful to July, and White-Ra really let down his fans (myself included) with this. If he is a professional, there is absolutely NO excuse not to be on top of his own schedule.
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On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast)
In light of this, the whole thing seems much more reasonable. Since the rules state 45 minutes, and white-ra's game ended 3 minutes before that, he obviously couldn't get there in time, so he simply didn't show up. That's my theory anyway.
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Its unfortunate but whitera probably had his phone/whatever off. I bet they had all the needed information to contact him.
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hey guys listen and stop being so dumb about this. Imagine a studio full of people, people investing a lot of money into this etc. Then White Ra decides to go to an after party instead of playing his match after having July wait 4 hours along with everyone at NASL.
Just imagine for one instance you are sitting waiting for 4 hours, July is waiting for 4 hours, this is people's livings on the line here. white Ra is at an after party in Sweden during this.
And you are mad at NASL for not bending over more?
If anything its unprofessionalism from white ra.
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On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast)
But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30, and at that time the Dreamhack computers were packed down and the internet disconnected, etc. So what's White-Ra gonna do? I don't feel bad for July, waking up a couple hours early is not an amazing feat and I'm sure it was less stressful than what White-Ra was going through. I feel bad for White-Ra, because NASL weren't smart enough to make a proper schedule. They should have known White-Ra had a good chance of making it to the finals, so their schedule wasn't even realistic. Bad schedule. BAD schedule. Not White-Ra's fault, not even a little bit.
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On April 14 2011 10:24 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:14 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:05 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict. You didn't even think for a single second before making that post, right? Might also want to read the thread... I did read the thread. White-Ra was unavailable for the game, which was totally understandable considering the circumstances. The point is, they should have rescheduled instead of just awarding the win to July. Also, I'm sure White-Ra had a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything that happened. I might disagree with a lot of people in this thread about rescheduling, but no, they should have rescheduled long time before yesterday. As they did not as is their prerogative, the ruling to give win to July was perfectly correct. They just should not have left July waiting for 4h and do it sooner.
They don't have to reschedule anything. It's the players responsibility. NASL isn't responsible for making your life fit perfectly. If you accepted NASL's contract and decided to play in it, maybe you should respect them and not attend tournaments that conflict with the schedule you agreed to. With that said NASL went out of their way to try and make this work while White-Ra didn't. It's simple as that and to try and put any blame, even partially ("NASL should have rescheduled"), on NASL is bullshit.
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On April 14 2011 10:22 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. Of course it's easier for SjoW! He lives here in Sweden, he has access to a suitable computer late a night - he probably just played from home. White-Ra is in a foreign country, he probaby thought he would be able to use the Dreamhack computers but that wasn't possible, so what's he gonna do? Play from a laptop? I think it's understandable he couldn't find a computer to play on.
Is it really that difficult for you to read the OP before posting? If you did and your comprehension isn't up to snuff, just reread it before saying silly, baseless things. I for one am glad that NASL is setting up a reasonably rigid system especially with people waking up at all hours of the day to play their games.
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On April 14 2011 10:28 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30, and at that time the Dreamhack computers were packed down and the internet disconnected, etc. So what's White-Ra gonna do? I don't feel bad for July, waking up a couple hours early is not an amazing feat and I'm sure it was less stressful than what White-Ra was going through. I feel bad for White-Ra, because NASL weren't smart enough to make a proper schedule. They should have known White-Ra had a good chance of making it to the finals, so their schedule wasn't even realistic. Bad schedule. BAD schedule. Not White-Ra's fault, not even a little bit.
yeah dude except white ra went to an afterparty instead of playing his match
if only they had foreseen white ra turning off his phone and partying instead of playing his match like a pro.
not his fault at all
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On April 14 2011 10:28 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30, and at that time the Dreamhack computers were packed down and the internet disconnected, etc. So what's White-Ra gonna do? I don't feel bad for July, waking up a couple hours early is not an amazing feat and I'm sure it was less stressful than what White-Ra was going through. I feel bad for White-Ra, because NASL weren't smart enough to make a proper schedule. They should have known White-Ra had a good chance of making it to the finals, so their schedule wasn't even realistic. Bad schedule. BAD schedule. Not White-Ra's fault, not even a little bit.
SjoW. Was. Under. The. Same. Conditions. He. However. Made. It. To. A. Lan. To. Play. His. Game.
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On April 14 2011 10:28 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30,
It's great how you make wild assumptions in every post without actually having any idea how it actually went down... Totally contrary to you post some people stated earlier that he was tehre for ~15minutes after the event for autographs/interviews and then went to the afterparty
and again, Sjow.
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On April 14 2011 10:28 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30, and at that time the Dreamhack computers were packed down and the internet disconnected, etc. So what's White-Ra gonna do? I don't feel bad for July, waking up a couple hours early is not an amazing feat and I'm sure it was less stressful than what White-Ra was going through. I feel bad for White-Ra, because NASL weren't smart enough to make a proper schedule. They should have known White-Ra had a good chance of making it to the finals, so their schedule wasn't even realistic. Bad schedule. BAD schedule. Not White-Ra's fault, not even a little bit.
If you would have read the responses that I and two other people posted to your previous post, you would've seen that Ra had the ability to go to a LAN center with SjoW to play. You don't feel bad for July? He had to wait for four hours to play his game! And he didn't even get to play it! You're just making excuses for White-Ra, and if you would read the OP you would see that White-Ra could have found a way around them because SjoW certainly did.
White-Ra went to a PARTY instead of playing his MATCH.
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