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On April 14 2011 10:37 mdb wrote:
Dissapointing descision by NASL. Apparantly they were aware that there is a possibility that whitera cant make it, but nevertheless they didnt rescheduled the match. Giving the choice to July is just stupid.
why is it never the players fault for entering two conflicting tournaments knowing they wouldent be able to play if they made it to the finals...?
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On April 14 2011 10:37 mdb wrote:
Dissapointing descision by NASL. Apparantly they were aware that there is a possibility that whitera cant make it, but nevertheless they didnt rescheduled the match. Giving the choice to July is just stupid.
It's a schedule, that involves running a studio, hiring employees, etc. Do you not see how many matches they have a day? They can't just reschedule because white ra wants to party instead of play his match, the real world doesn't work that way.
He applied to be in the league, and accepted. Even paying a deposit.
He acted unprofessional in not trying to honor that contract. Imagine if you get hired to (these guys get paid to be in the league), for a job. And instead of showing up party. How can you honestly blame NASL?
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On April 14 2011 10:38 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:35 ch33psh33p wrote:
Praetorian is really acting like a little kid here. White-Ra was subject to the exact same conditions as SjoW, who managed to find a Lan center and play.
Not only that, White-Ra did not contact them for over FOUR HOURS. There was more than enough time in between all that to say, OH i'm done, I'll be at a lan in the next 2 hours even. I'm sure NASL would have understood. He DIDNT make any contact. How can you be supporting White-Ra's decision here? SjoW played his last game hours before White-Ra. He had a long time to prepare. At the scheduled time, White-Ra was in-game with MC. So even from the start, it was literally impossible for him to make it to the scheduled time. So you can't compare the situation to SjoW's, it's completely different.
Sjow was on stage at the end of the dreamhack event.
He probably mastered the art of teleportation or something.
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On April 14 2011 10:38 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:35 ch33psh33p wrote:
Praetorian is really acting like a little kid here. White-Ra was subject to the exact same conditions as SjoW, who managed to find a Lan center and play.
Not only that, White-Ra did not contact them for over FOUR HOURS. There was more than enough time in between all that to say, OH i'm done, I'll be at a lan in the next 2 hours even. I'm sure NASL would have understood. He DIDNT make any contact. How can you be supporting White-Ra's decision here? SjoW played his last game hours before White-Ra. He had a long time to prepare. At the scheduled time, White-Ra was in-game with MC. So even from the start, it was literally impossible for him to make it to the scheduled time. So you can't compare the situation to SjoW's, it's completely different.
The best practice for a tournament is to play ladder games, and not the best players in the world right? :D:D:D:D
Oh, we also need to mention that Whitera has an iPhone. If you have an iPhone you'll know you can get updates when you get emails, facebook messages, text messages etc. 
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On April 14 2011 10:38 xenom00t wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:37 mdb wrote:
Dissapointing descision by NASL. Apparantly they were aware that there is a possibility that whitera cant make it, but nevertheless they didnt rescheduled the match. Giving the choice to July is just stupid. why is it never the players fault for entering two conflicting tournaments knowing they wouldent be able to play if they made it to the finals...?
Or at least CONTACT one of the organizations and try to work something out?
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On April 14 2011 10:38 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:35 ch33psh33p wrote:
Praetorian is really acting like a little kid here. White-Ra was subject to the exact same conditions as SjoW, who managed to find a Lan center and play.
Not only that, White-Ra did not contact them for over FOUR HOURS. There was more than enough time in between all that to say, OH i'm done, I'll be at a lan in the next 2 hours even. I'm sure NASL would have understood. He DIDNT make any contact. How can you be supporting White-Ra's decision here? SjoW played his last game hours before White-Ra. He had a long time to prepare. At the scheduled time, White-Ra was in-game with MC. So even from the start, it was literally impossible for him to make it to the scheduled time. So you can't compare the situation to SjoW's, it's completely different.
How about the next 3-4 hours, then? It's not like he wasn't given a rather exorbitant amount of time to even contact NASL at all, let alone play.
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On April 14 2011 10:32 alexhard wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:31 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:28 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30, It's great how you make wild assumptions in every post without actually having any idea how it actually went down... Totally contrary to you post some people stated earlier that he was tehre for ~15minutes after the event for autographs/interviews and then went to the afterparty and again, Sjow. But according to the NASL rules he had already forfeited the game by not being there 45 minutes after it should have started (which would have been impossible because of when the finals finished), so he did the right thing. Unless sjow had 3 minutes to get to a suitable computer after his game ended, the situation is not comparable at all.
July COULD have taken the win after 45 minutes.
Instead he waited 4 hours.
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On April 14 2011 10:39 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:38 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:35 ch33psh33p wrote:
Praetorian is really acting like a little kid here. White-Ra was subject to the exact same conditions as SjoW, who managed to find a Lan center and play.
Not only that, White-Ra did not contact them for over FOUR HOURS. There was more than enough time in between all that to say, OH i'm done, I'll be at a lan in the next 2 hours even. I'm sure NASL would have understood. He DIDNT make any contact. How can you be supporting White-Ra's decision here? SjoW played his last game hours before White-Ra. He had a long time to prepare. At the scheduled time, White-Ra was in-game with MC. So even from the start, it was literally impossible for him to make it to the scheduled time. So you can't compare the situation to SjoW's, it's completely different. Sjow was on stage at the end of the dreamhack event. He probably mastered the art of teleportation or something.
Lolll. Prae, they all left together from the event, some went to party, SjoW went to his obligated match for the NASL.
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On April 14 2011 10:38 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:35 ch33psh33p wrote:
Praetorian is really acting like a little kid here. White-Ra was subject to the exact same conditions as SjoW, who managed to find a Lan center and play.
Not only that, White-Ra did not contact them for over FOUR HOURS. There was more than enough time in between all that to say, OH i'm done, I'll be at a lan in the next 2 hours even. I'm sure NASL would have understood. He DIDNT make any contact. How can you be supporting White-Ra's decision here? SjoW played his last game hours before White-Ra. He had a long time to prepare. At the scheduled time, White-Ra was in-game with MC. So even from the start, it was literally impossible for him to make it to the scheduled time. So you can't compare the situation to SjoW's, it's completely different.
So you are saying that 4 hours isnt enough to complete a best of 7 or whatever and then take a cab to a lan center and play ?
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On April 14 2011 10:29 trashcan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:24 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:14 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:05 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict. You didn't even think for a single second before making that post, right? Might also want to read the thread... I did read the thread. White-Ra was unavailable for the game, which was totally understandable considering the circumstances. The point is, they should have rescheduled instead of just awarding the win to July. Also, I'm sure White-Ra had a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything that happened. I might disagree with a lot of people in this thread about rescheduling, but no, they should have rescheduled long time before yesterday. As they did not as is their prerogative, the ruling to give win to July was perfectly correct. They just should not have left July waiting for 4h and do it sooner. They don't have to reschedule anything. It's the players responsibility. NASL isn't responsible for making your life fit perfectly. If you accepted NASL's contract and decided to play in it, maybe you should respect them and not attend tournaments that conflict with the schedule you agreed to. With that said NASL went out of their way to try and make this work while White-Ra didn't. It's simple as that and to try and put any blame, even partially ("NASL should have rescheduled"), on NASL is bullshit.
Read the thread. I already said I am not blaming NASL for that. I am blaming NASL (and maybe White-ra) for keeping July there for 4 hours. They should have made the ruling after 45 minutes. I am all for following the rules and the decision was correct. That does not change the fact that their scheduling rules and far from perfect (and before you reply read what I mean by bad schedule).
As for people saying White-ra is unprofessional, I would love to know how can you be sure ? Do you actually know why he went to the party and not to play ? If he just said, fuck it I want to party then yes he was unprofessional. But what if he thought that he was already forfeit since it was long after the match was supposed to start ? Are you sure that there was no miscommunication between NASL and White-ra ?
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On April 14 2011 10:35 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:33 PraetorianX wrote:
And how do you guys know that White-Ra was even aware of this LAN center? How do you know he turned off his phone, maybe the battery died? You just assume he was out getting drunk and not giving a damn. See now you're just making up random assumptions with no basis in fact.
This guy is trolling you man.
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On April 14 2011 10:39 Haydin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:38 xenom00t wrote:On April 14 2011 10:37 mdb wrote:
Dissapointing descision by NASL. Apparantly they were aware that there is a possibility that whitera cant make it, but nevertheless they didnt rescheduled the match. Giving the choice to July is just stupid. why is it never the players fault for entering two conflicting tournaments knowing they wouldent be able to play if they made it to the finals...? Or at least CONTACT one of the organizations and try to work something out?
Or show up to your games for one tournament after one ends, instead of attending an afterparty?
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On April 14 2011 10:42 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:29 trashcan wrote:On April 14 2011 10:24 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:14 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:05 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict. You didn't even think for a single second before making that post, right? Might also want to read the thread... I did read the thread. White-Ra was unavailable for the game, which was totally understandable considering the circumstances. The point is, they should have rescheduled instead of just awarding the win to July. Also, I'm sure White-Ra had a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything that happened. I might disagree with a lot of people in this thread about rescheduling, but no, they should have rescheduled long time before yesterday. As they did not as is their prerogative, the ruling to give win to July was perfectly correct. They just should not have left July waiting for 4h and do it sooner. They don't have to reschedule anything. It's the players responsibility. NASL isn't responsible for making your life fit perfectly. If you accepted NASL's contract and decided to play in it, maybe you should respect them and not attend tournaments that conflict with the schedule you agreed to. With that said NASL went out of their way to try and make this work while White-Ra didn't. It's simple as that and to try and put any blame, even partially ("NASL should have rescheduled"), on NASL is bullshit. Read the thread. I already said I am not blaming NASL for that. I am blaming NASL (and maybe White-ra) for keeping July there for 4 hours. They should have made the ruling after 45 minutes. I am all for following the rules and the decision was correct. That does not change the fact that their scheduling rules and far from perfect (and before you reply read what I mean by bad schedule). As for people saying White-ra is unprofessional, I would love to know how can you be sure ? Do you actually know why he went to the party and not to play ? If he just said, fuck it I want to party then yes he was unprofessional. But what if he thought that he was already forfeit since it was long after the match was supposed to start ? Are you sure that there was no miscommunication between NASL and White-ra ?
I agree with this.
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On April 14 2011 10:33 PraetorianX wrote:
And how do you guys know that White-Ra was even aware of this LAN center? How do you know he turned off his phone, maybe the battery died? You just assume he was out getting drunk and not giving a damn.
You're just digging yourself a bigger and bigger hole. Just stop, dude. The blind fanboy in you just oozes from your posts, and it's just too irrational. Stop making baseless assumptions, and wait until we know FOR SURE what happened on Ra's end. Right now, there's just more evidence that points to Ra forgetting (and consequently being unprofessional, or at the very least, making an uninformed decision), than having valid reasons. The rest of us ARE saying that he went out to get drunk because there are people who saw him partying in person.
You're acting like we have personal vendettas against Ra - no. Shit happens.
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On April 14 2011 10:42 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:29 trashcan wrote:On April 14 2011 10:24 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:14 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:05 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict. You didn't even think for a single second before making that post, right? Might also want to read the thread... I did read the thread. White-Ra was unavailable for the game, which was totally understandable considering the circumstances. The point is, they should have rescheduled instead of just awarding the win to July. Also, I'm sure White-Ra had a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything that happened. I might disagree with a lot of people in this thread about rescheduling, but no, they should have rescheduled long time before yesterday. As they did not as is their prerogative, the ruling to give win to July was perfectly correct. They just should not have left July waiting for 4h and do it sooner. They don't have to reschedule anything. It's the players responsibility. NASL isn't responsible for making your life fit perfectly. If you accepted NASL's contract and decided to play in it, maybe you should respect them and not attend tournaments that conflict with the schedule you agreed to. With that said NASL went out of their way to try and make this work while White-Ra didn't. It's simple as that and to try and put any blame, even partially ("NASL should have rescheduled"), on NASL is bullshit. Read the thread. I already said I am not blaming NASL for that. I am blaming NASL (and maybe White-ra) for keeping July there for 4 hours. They should have made the ruling after 45 minutes. I am all for following the rules and the decision was correct. That does not change the fact that their scheduling rules and far from perfect (and before you reply read what I mean by bad schedule). As for people saying White-ra is unprofessional, I would love to know how can you be sure ? Do you actually know why he went to the party and not to play ? If he just said, fuck it I want to party then yes he was unprofessional. But what if he thought that he was already forfeit since it was long after the match was supposed to start ? Are you sure that there was no miscommunication between NASL and White-ra ?
White Ra didn't contact NASL at all. They tried his phone / email etc but nothing. It wasn't some kind of miscommunication, it was White Ra ignoring nasl after winning a good bit of money, then going to party.
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So I guess this explains why there is no NASL stream despite their website stating that it starts 43 minutes ago?
I want a refund! Not for my NASL money but for my liquibets for white-ra!
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I read something about a WO between Naniwa ad Strelok, any infos on that? I can't find it atm.
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On April 14 2011 10:33 Cranberries wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:32 alexhard wrote:On April 14 2011 10:31 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:28 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30, It's great how you make wild assumptions in every post without actually having any idea how it actually went down... Totally contrary to you post some people stated earlier that he was tehre for ~15minutes after the event for autographs/interviews and then went to the afterparty and again, Sjow. But according to the NASL rules he had already forfeited the game by not being there 45 minutes after it should have started (which would have been impossible because of when the finals finished), so he did the right thing. Unless sjow had 3 minutes to get to a suitable computer after his game ended, the situation is not comparable at all. SjoW stayed to the end too. Then again, I don't think SjoW is old enough to drink so obviously he can't go to an afterparty... 
SjoW is over 18
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On April 14 2011 10:41 Seam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:32 alexhard wrote:On April 14 2011 10:31 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:28 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30, It's great how you make wild assumptions in every post without actually having any idea how it actually went down... Totally contrary to you post some people stated earlier that he was tehre for ~15minutes after the event for autographs/interviews and then went to the afterparty and again, Sjow. But according to the NASL rules he had already forfeited the game by not being there 45 minutes after it should have started (which would have been impossible because of when the finals finished), so he did the right thing. Unless sjow had 3 minutes to get to a suitable computer after his game ended, the situation is not comparable at all. July COULD have taken the win after 45 minutes. Instead he waited 4 hours.
Yeah, and after 45 minutes White-Ra was still in game with MC (almost, game ended 21:42). So July gets a free autowin when White-Ra has 0% chance of being there to stop him. You think that's a good system?
Schedule was broken from the start.
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On April 14 2011 10:42 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:29 trashcan wrote:On April 14 2011 10:24 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:14 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:05 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict. You didn't even think for a single second before making that post, right? Might also want to read the thread... I did read the thread. White-Ra was unavailable for the game, which was totally understandable considering the circumstances. The point is, they should have rescheduled instead of just awarding the win to July. Also, I'm sure White-Ra had a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything that happened. I might disagree with a lot of people in this thread about rescheduling, but no, they should have rescheduled long time before yesterday. As they did not as is their prerogative, the ruling to give win to July was perfectly correct. They just should not have left July waiting for 4h and do it sooner. They don't have to reschedule anything. It's the players responsibility. NASL isn't responsible for making your life fit perfectly. If you accepted NASL's contract and decided to play in it, maybe you should respect them and not attend tournaments that conflict with the schedule you agreed to. With that said NASL went out of their way to try and make this work while White-Ra didn't. It's simple as that and to try and put any blame, even partially ("NASL should have rescheduled"), on NASL is bullshit. Read the thread. I already said I am not blaming NASL for that. I am blaming NASL (and maybe White-ra) for keeping July there for 4 hours. They should have made the ruling after 45 minutes. I am all for following the rules and the decision was correct. That does not change the fact that their scheduling rules and far from perfect (and before you reply read what I mean by bad schedule). As for people saying White-ra is unprofessional, I would love to know how can you be sure ? Do you actually know why he went to the party and not to play ? If he just said, fuck it I want to party then yes he was unprofessional. But what if he thought that he was already forfeit since it was long after the match was supposed to start ? Are you sure that there was no miscommunication between NASL and White-ra ?
If he had those questions, he probably should have answered the phone or responded to their emails. Or he could have called them himself.
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I dont mind missing a match but unfortunately it was one I was looking forward too alot.
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