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On April 14 2011 10:31 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:28 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30, It's great how you make wild assumptions in every post without actually having any idea how it actually went down... Totally contrary to you post some people stated earlier that he was tehre for ~15minutes after the event for autographs/interviews and then went to the afterparty and again, Sjow.
But according to the NASL rules he had already forfeited the game by not being there 45 minutes after it should have started (which would have been impossible because of when the finals finished), so he did the right thing. Unless sjow had 3 minutes to get to a suitable computer after his game ended, the situation is not comparable at all.
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On April 14 2011 10:23 Cranberries wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:20 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:15 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:12 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:08 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:05 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 09:58 Cranberries wrote:Proof, or are we still under the speculation that this is totally a scheduling problem? :D The point is not whether White-ra went to the party I hope that is already established as a fact. But that does not say anything about why he did he decided not to play. And it is scheduling problem anyway, because it was scheduled on the same day and even on the same hour as DH tournament. Yeah. Finding a time when a Korean, two Americans, as well as Whitera ... As well as all the other players on the same day for NASL Day 1-2 to play and streamline efficiently so it can be broadcasted in a polished manner sure is easy. Wait, what? Should I again requote 3 easy solutions to rescheduling problem that I already posted ? I will use just one. Why not let White-ra and July play earlier and cast from replays. I highly doubt White-ra and July would be incapable of finding the time to play, especially since EU time and KST have a lot of day overlap and you just need to find one referee to be present for the game, which can be any trustworthy European, Korean or even American and it would not be hard to find such a person. Clearly the NASL organisers have a set way to do things. It is by this set method that they're doing it. I assume the players had to sign some sort of agreement towards the terms and regulations (a EULA/ToS, if you will) of the tournament in order to participate. What the hell is wrong with you people? And if you note I am not saying the forfeit decision was bad, just that their scheduling rules/decisions are bad. If they had more flexible scheduling decisions(easily achievable), but still precisely written and enforced, the end-result would be better for viewers and for NASL. So tell me this: Artosis has to cast the GSL. He plays in the NASL. Like Julyzerg he has to wake up at 4am for his game. He also has to cast the GSL, possibly, on the same day. He's going to have to wake up at 4am for it. In a tournament "this big" you cannot be flexible for one person ... When one person is special, other people demand that special treatment: then you get a bunch of whining little shits who want to play when they're feeling up to it. The scheduling may be bad - but if every other player and their mother can make the times, Whitera should be able to. Hell, SjoW made sure he was able to play and he even stayed to the end of the DH finals...
I did not say they should make exceptions to White-ra alone. They should make their rules strict and clear but allow reasonable rescheduling according to rules. By reasonable I mean if they know week in advance that one player has big likelihood of not being able to play on the set date because of important circumstances (conflict with big tournament, death in the family,...) but would be able to play for example 3 days before, to just allow players to play it at different date and cast from replays. This would not happen too often and is not some organisational nightmare.
As I said no exceptions, you can make rules so they allow rare rescheduling that is according to rules and therefore there is no preferential treatment.
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Respect to July for waiting so long
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And how do you guys know that White-Ra was even aware of this LAN center? How do you know he turned off his phone, maybe the battery died? You just assume he was out getting drunk and not giving a damn.
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They bended the rules to allow him to play by 3 hours and 15 minutes. How the hell can't you answer your phone or whatever all that time ? Party probably was realy realy fun 
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On April 14 2011 10:32 alexhard wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:31 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:28 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30, It's great how you make wild assumptions in every post without actually having any idea how it actually went down... Totally contrary to you post some people stated earlier that he was tehre for ~15minutes after the event for autographs/interviews and then went to the afterparty and again, Sjow. But according to the NASL rules he had already forfeited the game by not being there 45 minutes after it should have started (which would have been impossible because of when the finals finished), so he did the right thing. Unless sjow had 3 minutes to get to a suitable computer after his game ended, the situation is not comparable at all.
SjoW stayed to the end too.
Then again, I don't think SjoW is old enough to drink so obviously he can't go to an afterparty... 
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On April 14 2011 10:22 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. Of course it's easier for SjoW! He lives here in Sweden, he has access to a suitable computer late a night - he probably just played from home. White-Ra is in a foreign country, he probaby thought he would be able to use the Dreamhack computers but that wasn't possible, so what's he gonna do? Play from a laptop? I think it's understandable he couldn't find a computer to play on.
Someone said earlier in the thread Sjow played from an internet cafe. Ra could easily have done the same thing. He chose to party.
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On April 14 2011 10:32 alexhard wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:31 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:28 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30, It's great how you make wild assumptions in every post without actually having any idea how it actually went down... Totally contrary to you post some people stated earlier that he was tehre for ~15minutes after the event for autographs/interviews and then went to the afterparty and again, Sjow. But according to the NASL rules he had already forfeited the game by not being there 45 minutes after it should have started (which would have been impossible because of when the finals finished), so he did the right thing. Unless sjow had 3 minutes to get to a suitable computer after his game ended, the situation is not comparable at all.
he did the right thing not getting in touch with NASL and instead partying. whereas Sjow actually acted professionally and went to a local lan and played his match. Instead White-Ra dealt with it by completely ignoring NASL
Name 1 thing about going to an afterparty that even speaks about an attempt to play his match.
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On April 14 2011 10:33 PraetorianX wrote:
And how do you guys know that White-Ra was even aware of this LAN center? How do you know he turned off his phone, maybe the battery died? You just assume he was out getting drunk and not giving a damn.
See now you're just making up random assumptions with no basis in fact.
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Praetorian is really acting like a little kid here. White-Ra was subject to the exact same conditions as SjoW, who managed to find a Lan center and play.
Not only that, White-Ra did not contact them for over FOUR HOURS. There was more than enough time in between all that to say, OH i'm done, I'll be at a lan in the next 2 hours even. I'm sure NASL would have understood. He DIDNT make any contact. How can you be supporting White-Ra's decision here?
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On April 14 2011 10:28 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30, and at that time the Dreamhack computers were packed down and the internet disconnected, etc. So what's White-Ra gonna do? I don't feel bad for July, waking up a couple hours early is not an amazing feat and I'm sure it was less stressful than what White-Ra was going through. I feel bad for White-Ra, because NASL weren't smart enough to make a proper schedule. They should have known White-Ra had a good chance of making it to the finals, so their schedule wasn't even realistic. Bad schedule. BAD schedule. Not White-Ra's fault, not even a little bit.
Are you saying that White-Ra, as a player, has ZERO responsibility to be aware of his own possible schedule conflicts and try to make arrangements ahead of time to reschedule? He is a professional. He should act like one. NASL went above and beyond giving him such a long grace period and trying to call and email him. Most physical sports would have just handed him the loss, and possibly more severe penalties, after a much shorter time.
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People are assuming that after being told there was a LAN center nearby, White-ra still refused to go there and didn't answer his phone knowing he had a match. This seems more like a miscommunication or that he had to catch a plane, but people are taking it as intentional with no evidence.
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On April 14 2011 10:33 Cranberries wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:32 alexhard wrote:On April 14 2011 10:31 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:28 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30, It's great how you make wild assumptions in every post without actually having any idea how it actually went down... Totally contrary to you post some people stated earlier that he was tehre for ~15minutes after the event for autographs/interviews and then went to the afterparty and again, Sjow. But according to the NASL rules he had already forfeited the game by not being there 45 minutes after it should have started (which would have been impossible because of when the finals finished), so he did the right thing. Unless sjow had 3 minutes to get to a suitable computer after his game ended, the situation is not comparable at all. SjoW stayed to the end too. Then again, I don't think SjoW is old enough to drink so obviously he can't go to an afterparty...
Birthday: 1986-12-23
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Sjow
On April 14 2011 10:33 PraetorianX wrote:
And how do you guys know that White-Ra was even aware of this LAN center? How do you know he turned off his phone, maybe the battery died? You just assume he was out getting drunk and not giving a damn.
Maybe he slipped on a banana peel, knocked his head and went unconscious for 4 hours!
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On April 14 2011 10:32 alexhard wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:31 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:28 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30, It's great how you make wild assumptions in every post without actually having any idea how it actually went down... Totally contrary to you post some people stated earlier that he was tehre for ~15minutes after the event for autographs/interviews and then went to the afterparty and again, Sjow. But according to the NASL rules he had already forfeited the game by not being there 45 minutes after it should have started (which would have been impossible because of when the finals finished), so he did the right thing. Unless sjow had 3 minutes to get to a suitable computer after his game ended, the situation is not comparable at all. accept for the fact that the NASL went out of their way to contact him over and over for 4 hours to try to tell him that he could play his match. still his fault imo.
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On April 14 2011 10:36 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:33 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:32 alexhard wrote:On April 14 2011 10:31 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:28 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30, It's great how you make wild assumptions in every post without actually having any idea how it actually went down... Totally contrary to you post some people stated earlier that he was tehre for ~15minutes after the event for autographs/interviews and then went to the afterparty and again, Sjow. But according to the NASL rules he had already forfeited the game by not being there 45 minutes after it should have started (which would have been impossible because of when the finals finished), so he did the right thing. Unless sjow had 3 minutes to get to a suitable computer after his game ended, the situation is not comparable at all. SjoW stayed to the end too. Then again, I don't think SjoW is old enough to drink so obviously he can't go to an afterparty... Birthday: 1986-12-23 http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Sjow
He looks young enough to be jailbait. 
But in which case, SjoW here is the professional for abandoning some party and playing his NASL matches.
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On April 14 2011 10:35 Spacemanspiff wrote:
People are assuming that after being told there was a LAN center nearby, White-ra still refused to go there and didn't answer his phone knowing he had a match. This seems more like a miscommunication or that he had to catch a plane, but people are taking it as intentional with no evidence.
He had to catch a plane...so he went to a party?
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Dissapointing descision by NASL. Apparantly they were aware that there is a possibility that whitera cant make it, but nevertheless they didnt rescheduled the match. Giving the choice to July is just stupid.
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On April 14 2011 10:35 Spacemanspiff wrote:
People are assuming that after being told there was a LAN center nearby, White-ra still refused to go there and didn't answer his phone knowing he had a match. This seems more like a miscommunication or that he had to catch a plane, but people are taking it as intentional with no evidence.
rofl, again the attempt
White ra made absolutely no attempt to play his match
How can you be upset in the least bit he got DQed? No phone, no email, no internet pm, he was partying while july/nasl sat around for 4 hours wondering where he was. NASL made the correct decision
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On April 14 2011 10:35 ch33psh33p wrote:
Praetorian is really acting like a little kid here. White-Ra was subject to the exact same conditions as SjoW, who managed to find a Lan center and play.
Not only that, White-Ra did not contact them for over FOUR HOURS. There was more than enough time in between all that to say, OH i'm done, I'll be at a lan in the next 2 hours even. I'm sure NASL would have understood. He DIDNT make any contact. How can you be supporting White-Ra's decision here?
SjoW played his last game hours before White-Ra. He had a long time to prepare. At the scheduled time, White-Ra was in-game with MC. So even from the start, it was literally impossible for him to make it to the scheduled time. So you can't compare the situation to SjoW's, it's completely different.
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This is just very unfortunate and something that sometimes would be hard to avoid in a game-packed league like the NASL. It is what it is. Is there anyone who didn't see this coming though?
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