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Holy crap, its a league not a tournament. A single loss isn't the end of the world, lets not blow this out of proportion...
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On April 14 2011 10:36 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:33 PraetorianX wrote:
And how do you guys know that White-Ra was even aware of this LAN center? How do you know he turned off his phone, maybe the battery died? You just assume he was out getting drunk and not giving a damn. Maybe he slipped on a banana peel, knocked his head and went unconscious for 4 hours!
The same goes for both sides of this discussion actually, assumptions, assumptions without anything behind them.
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On April 14 2011 10:45 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:41 Seam wrote:On April 14 2011 10:32 alexhard wrote:On April 14 2011 10:31 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:28 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30, It's great how you make wild assumptions in every post without actually having any idea how it actually went down... Totally contrary to you post some people stated earlier that he was tehre for ~15minutes after the event for autographs/interviews and then went to the afterparty and again, Sjow. But according to the NASL rules he had already forfeited the game by not being there 45 minutes after it should have started (which would have been impossible because of when the finals finished), so he did the right thing. Unless sjow had 3 minutes to get to a suitable computer after his game ended, the situation is not comparable at all. July COULD have taken the win after 45 minutes. Instead he waited 4 hours. Yeah, and after 45 minutes White-Ra was still in game with MC (almost, game ended 21:42). So July gets a free autowin when White-Ra has 0% chance of being there to stop him. You think that's a good system? Schedule was broken from the start.
I think this is MC's fault for actually letting Whitera take two games off of him. It was hilarious to watch Whitera go 2-0 up then MC completely roll over him, while the two games Whitera won were purely because MC didn't do the "best" PVP builds.
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Uhg, I chose White-Ra to win.
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On April 14 2011 10:44 dacthehork wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:42 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:29 trashcan wrote:On April 14 2011 10:24 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:14 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:05 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict. You didn't even think for a single second before making that post, right? Might also want to read the thread... I did read the thread. White-Ra was unavailable for the game, which was totally understandable considering the circumstances. The point is, they should have rescheduled instead of just awarding the win to July. Also, I'm sure White-Ra had a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything that happened. I might disagree with a lot of people in this thread about rescheduling, but no, they should have rescheduled long time before yesterday. As they did not as is their prerogative, the ruling to give win to July was perfectly correct. They just should not have left July waiting for 4h and do it sooner. They don't have to reschedule anything. It's the players responsibility. NASL isn't responsible for making your life fit perfectly. If you accepted NASL's contract and decided to play in it, maybe you should respect them and not attend tournaments that conflict with the schedule you agreed to. With that said NASL went out of their way to try and make this work while White-Ra didn't. It's simple as that and to try and put any blame, even partially ("NASL should have rescheduled"), on NASL is bullshit. Read the thread. I already said I am not blaming NASL for that. I am blaming NASL (and maybe White-ra) for keeping July there for 4 hours. They should have made the ruling after 45 minutes. I am all for following the rules and the decision was correct. That does not change the fact that their scheduling rules and far from perfect (and before you reply read what I mean by bad schedule). As for people saying White-ra is unprofessional, I would love to know how can you be sure ? Do you actually know why he went to the party and not to play ? If he just said, fuck it I want to party then yes he was unprofessional. But what if he thought that he was already forfeit since it was long after the match was supposed to start ? Are you sure that there was no miscommunication between NASL and White-ra ? White Ra didn't contact NASL at all. They tried his phone / email etc but nothing. It wasn't some kind of miscommunication, it was White Ra ignoring nasl after winning a good bit of money, then going to party.
A bit off-topic perhaps, but actually I don't think White-Ra won any money at all at Dreamhack. First prize was 100k, second prize was a "wildcard", no other prizes. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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On April 14 2011 10:45 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:41 Seam wrote:On April 14 2011 10:32 alexhard wrote:On April 14 2011 10:31 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:28 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30, It's great how you make wild assumptions in every post without actually having any idea how it actually went down... Totally contrary to you post some people stated earlier that he was tehre for ~15minutes after the event for autographs/interviews and then went to the afterparty and again, Sjow. But according to the NASL rules he had already forfeited the game by not being there 45 minutes after it should have started (which would have been impossible because of when the finals finished), so he did the right thing. Unless sjow had 3 minutes to get to a suitable computer after his game ended, the situation is not comparable at all. July COULD have taken the win after 45 minutes. Instead he waited 4 hours. Yeah, and after 45 minutes White-Ra was still in game with MC (almost, game ended 21:42). So July gets a free autowin when White-Ra has 0% chance of being there to stop him. You think that's a good system? Schedule was broken from the start.
Thats probably why NASL asked July and both agreed to wait for longer for WhiteRa. NASL and July knew he was still playing so they both agreed to wait more.
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On April 14 2011 10:39 dacthehork wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:37 mdb wrote:
Dissapointing descision by NASL. Apparantly they were aware that there is a possibility that whitera cant make it, but nevertheless they didnt rescheduled the match. Giving the choice to July is just stupid. It's a schedule, that involves running a studio, hiring employees, etc. Do you not see how many matches they have a day? They can't just reschedule because white ra wants to party instead of play his match, the real world doesn't work that way. He applied to be in the league, and accepted. Even paying a deposit. He acted unprofessional in not trying to honor that contract. Imagine if you get hired to (these guys get paid to be in the league), for a job. And instead of showing up party. How can you honestly blame NASL?
I dont know why if whitera acted professional or not. I wasnt at DH and dont know what happened there - if he went to a party or not. But I know that comparing the whitera situation with sjow, who is from sweden and was eliminated several hours earlier is not professional by NASL. Just a way to wash their hands and justify their decision.
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On April 14 2011 10:47 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:44 dacthehork wrote:On April 14 2011 10:42 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:29 trashcan wrote:On April 14 2011 10:24 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:14 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:05 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict. You didn't even think for a single second before making that post, right? Might also want to read the thread... I did read the thread. White-Ra was unavailable for the game, which was totally understandable considering the circumstances. The point is, they should have rescheduled instead of just awarding the win to July. Also, I'm sure White-Ra had a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything that happened. I might disagree with a lot of people in this thread about rescheduling, but no, they should have rescheduled long time before yesterday. As they did not as is their prerogative, the ruling to give win to July was perfectly correct. They just should not have left July waiting for 4h and do it sooner. They don't have to reschedule anything. It's the players responsibility. NASL isn't responsible for making your life fit perfectly. If you accepted NASL's contract and decided to play in it, maybe you should respect them and not attend tournaments that conflict with the schedule you agreed to. With that said NASL went out of their way to try and make this work while White-Ra didn't. It's simple as that and to try and put any blame, even partially ("NASL should have rescheduled"), on NASL is bullshit. Read the thread. I already said I am not blaming NASL for that. I am blaming NASL (and maybe White-ra) for keeping July there for 4 hours. They should have made the ruling after 45 minutes. I am all for following the rules and the decision was correct. That does not change the fact that their scheduling rules and far from perfect (and before you reply read what I mean by bad schedule). As for people saying White-ra is unprofessional, I would love to know how can you be sure ? Do you actually know why he went to the party and not to play ? If he just said, fuck it I want to party then yes he was unprofessional. But what if he thought that he was already forfeit since it was long after the match was supposed to start ? Are you sure that there was no miscommunication between NASL and White-ra ? White Ra didn't contact NASL at all. They tried his phone / email etc but nothing. It wasn't some kind of miscommunication, it was White Ra ignoring nasl after winning a good bit of money, then going to party. A bit off-topic perhaps, but actually I don't think White-Ra won any money at all at Dreamhack. First prize was 100k, second prize was a "wildcard", no other prizes. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Read the news... it was 15k for the winner. I dont know for 2nd place, probably around 5k.
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On April 14 2011 10:47 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:36 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:33 PraetorianX wrote:
And how do you guys know that White-Ra was even aware of this LAN center? How do you know he turned off his phone, maybe the battery died? You just assume he was out getting drunk and not giving a damn. Maybe he slipped on a banana peel, knocked his head and went unconscious for 4 hours! The same goes for both sides of this discussion actually, assumptions, assumptions without anything behind them.
Would be intersting to hear what White-Ra has to say... :/
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I sent White-Ra two emails, he didn't respond to them. I got an email from him at 8am today (about 16-17 hours after I emailed him).
I know he got the emails, because he had been emailing me from his iphone in the previous days, and had even sent me an email before the final started from his iphone. Therefore, I know he received my emails, and chose not to respond to them.
a) He said "hi i make final pp my game" , despite me telling him the day before he could play from a PC cafe
b) I replied "you can play from a PC cafe thats close by, please keep in touch"
c) 2 hours later I emailed him again and said, "we've been waiting for you for 2 hours where are you"
Unfortunately we can only accommodate for other events so much... we have a pretty rigid schedule, and changing the time for one player means we have to switch around the other player too. When you have a Korean involved it becomes MUCH more difficult because they already sacrifice so much to plan their sleep schedule each week around an NASL match -- just telling them they need to play at a different time is unfair to them.
At some point, you need to take responsibility and manage your schedule more appropriately, or take the time to make arrangements. SjoW for example chose not to go to the afterparty or hang out with his friends, drove home, and played his NASL match.
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On April 14 2011 10:38 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:35 ch33psh33p wrote:
Praetorian is really acting like a little kid here. White-Ra was subject to the exact same conditions as SjoW, who managed to find a Lan center and play.
Not only that, White-Ra did not contact them for over FOUR HOURS. There was more than enough time in between all that to say, OH i'm done, I'll be at a lan in the next 2 hours even. I'm sure NASL would have understood. He DIDNT make any contact. How can you be supporting White-Ra's decision here? SjoW played his last game hours before White-Ra. He had a long time to prepare. At the scheduled time, White-Ra was in-game with MC. So even from the start, it was literally impossible for him to make it to the scheduled time. So you can't compare the situation to SjoW's, it's completely different.
The OP doesn't actually state that they were scheduled for 4am Korea time, just that July woke up at 4am and subsequently waited for 4 hours after their match was scheduled to start.
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On April 14 2011 10:49 Seldszar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:47 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:44 dacthehork wrote:On April 14 2011 10:42 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:29 trashcan wrote:On April 14 2011 10:24 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:14 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:05 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict. You didn't even think for a single second before making that post, right? Might also want to read the thread... I did read the thread. White-Ra was unavailable for the game, which was totally understandable considering the circumstances. The point is, they should have rescheduled instead of just awarding the win to July. Also, I'm sure White-Ra had a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything that happened. I might disagree with a lot of people in this thread about rescheduling, but no, they should have rescheduled long time before yesterday. As they did not as is their prerogative, the ruling to give win to July was perfectly correct. They just should not have left July waiting for 4h and do it sooner. They don't have to reschedule anything. It's the players responsibility. NASL isn't responsible for making your life fit perfectly. If you accepted NASL's contract and decided to play in it, maybe you should respect them and not attend tournaments that conflict with the schedule you agreed to. With that said NASL went out of their way to try and make this work while White-Ra didn't. It's simple as that and to try and put any blame, even partially ("NASL should have rescheduled"), on NASL is bullshit. Read the thread. I already said I am not blaming NASL for that. I am blaming NASL (and maybe White-ra) for keeping July there for 4 hours. They should have made the ruling after 45 minutes. I am all for following the rules and the decision was correct. That does not change the fact that their scheduling rules and far from perfect (and before you reply read what I mean by bad schedule). As for people saying White-ra is unprofessional, I would love to know how can you be sure ? Do you actually know why he went to the party and not to play ? If he just said, fuck it I want to party then yes he was unprofessional. But what if he thought that he was already forfeit since it was long after the match was supposed to start ? Are you sure that there was no miscommunication between NASL and White-ra ? White Ra didn't contact NASL at all. They tried his phone / email etc but nothing. It wasn't some kind of miscommunication, it was White Ra ignoring nasl after winning a good bit of money, then going to party. A bit off-topic perhaps, but actually I don't think White-Ra won any money at all at Dreamhack. First prize was 100k, second prize was a "wildcard", no other prizes. Correct me if I'm wrong. Read the news... it was 15k for the winner. I dont know for 2nd place, probably around 5k.
No.
1st: 100 000 SEK cash ($15,000 or €10,000) + DreamHack Summer and Winter 2011 Wildcard.
2nd: DreamHack Summer 2011 Wildcard.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_DreamHack/Stockholm_Invitational
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On April 14 2011 10:45 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:41 Seam wrote:On April 14 2011 10:32 alexhard wrote:On April 14 2011 10:31 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:28 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote:On April 14 2011 10:17 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:07 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 09:52 Coolbeans wrote:
if all matches are pre recorded anyway what is the big problem with playing off replays when they run into a schedule conflict like dreamhack and other big events? Yeah, why couldn't they just played the game yesterday? Or better yet, why not just play it LIVE? Or do NASL feel they can't handle an actual live game? It just feels so arrogant from their side not to be extra flexible in this matter. Do you not understand that they WERE flexible? They gave him 4 HOURS. That's 5x longer than he was supposed to get. You cannot expect a tournament to change the entire format to benefit one player, that's just ridiculous. Let me break this down for you. A time was arranged previously. Both players agreed on this time. White-Ra did not show up to play. July did. ALSO SjoW's match was scheduled for the same time that Ra's was and he found a way to play after also playing in Dreamhack. This. And again. Whitera lost the finals at precisely 21:42 Swedish time. That's 42 minutes AFTER his game with Julyzerg should have started. He was given extra time to get somewhere to play - he didn't, he forfeits, grats to Julyzerg for being patient. + Show Spoiler +(Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) But there you have it. 4AM in Korea is 21:00 in Sweden, and White-Ra playing the Dreamhack finals at that time! He was probably busy with the Dreamhack event until at least 22:00 or 22:30, It's great how you make wild assumptions in every post without actually having any idea how it actually went down... Totally contrary to you post some people stated earlier that he was tehre for ~15minutes after the event for autographs/interviews and then went to the afterparty and again, Sjow. But according to the NASL rules he had already forfeited the game by not being there 45 minutes after it should have started (which would have been impossible because of when the finals finished), so he did the right thing. Unless sjow had 3 minutes to get to a suitable computer after his game ended, the situation is not comparable at all. July COULD have taken the win after 45 minutes. Instead he waited 4 hours. Yeah, and after 45 minutes White-Ra was still in game with MC (almost, game ended 21:42). So July gets a free autowin when White-Ra has 0% chance of being there to stop him. You think that's a good system? Schedule was broken from the start.
Read my post a few pages back about TheSTC. Same exact situation - and not only that, he was the FIRST seed in the tournament. A schedule isn't "broken" just because one player has conflicts. I don't care if Ra is the equivalent of Flash in SC2 (which he obviously isn't).
Stop acting irrational because you're a fan. On the other hand, I don't understand why NASL even made a big deal out of this. Walkover, done, let's move on. How this turns into a 25+ page thread is laughable.
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Really 25 pages? Whitera was given a chance to play, he didn't take it. That's basically the end of the story.
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Incredibly unfortunate I was really looking forward to seeing the fight.. Oh well it's understandable though, they gave him plenty of time. Too bad :/
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On April 14 2011 10:49 NASL.tv wrote:
I sent White-Ra two emails, he didn't respond to them. I got an email from him at 8am today (about 16-17 hours after I emailed him).
I know he got the emails, because he had been emailing me from his iphone in the previous days, and had even sent me an email before the final started from his iphone. Therefore, I know he received my emails, and chose not to respond to them.
a) He said "hi i make final pp my game" , despite me telling him the day before he could play from a PC cafe
b) I replied "you can play from a PC cafe thats close by, please keep in touch"
c) 2 hours later I emailed him again and said, "we've been waiting for you for 2 hours where are you"
Unfortunately we can only accommodate for other events so much... we have a pretty rigid schedule, and changing the time for one player means we have to switch around the other player too. When you have a Korean involved it becomes MUCH more difficult because they already sacrifice so much to plan their sleep schedule each week around an NASL match -- just telling them they need to play at a different time is unfair to them.
At some point, you need to take responsibility and manage your schedule more appropriately, or take the time to make arrangements. SjoW for example chose not to go to the afterparty or hang out with his friends, drove home, and played his NASL match.
So, whitera told you that he cant make it and asked to reschedule the game and you told him to go to a pc cafe to play?
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On April 14 2011 10:50 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:49 Seldszar wrote:On April 14 2011 10:47 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:44 dacthehork wrote:On April 14 2011 10:42 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:29 trashcan wrote:On April 14 2011 10:24 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:14 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:05 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict. You didn't even think for a single second before making that post, right? Might also want to read the thread... I did read the thread. White-Ra was unavailable for the game, which was totally understandable considering the circumstances. The point is, they should have rescheduled instead of just awarding the win to July. Also, I'm sure White-Ra had a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything that happened. I might disagree with a lot of people in this thread about rescheduling, but no, they should have rescheduled long time before yesterday. As they did not as is their prerogative, the ruling to give win to July was perfectly correct. They just should not have left July waiting for 4h and do it sooner. They don't have to reschedule anything. It's the players responsibility. NASL isn't responsible for making your life fit perfectly. If you accepted NASL's contract and decided to play in it, maybe you should respect them and not attend tournaments that conflict with the schedule you agreed to. With that said NASL went out of their way to try and make this work while White-Ra didn't. It's simple as that and to try and put any blame, even partially ("NASL should have rescheduled"), on NASL is bullshit. Read the thread. I already said I am not blaming NASL for that. I am blaming NASL (and maybe White-ra) for keeping July there for 4 hours. They should have made the ruling after 45 minutes. I am all for following the rules and the decision was correct. That does not change the fact that their scheduling rules and far from perfect (and before you reply read what I mean by bad schedule). As for people saying White-ra is unprofessional, I would love to know how can you be sure ? Do you actually know why he went to the party and not to play ? If he just said, fuck it I want to party then yes he was unprofessional. But what if he thought that he was already forfeit since it was long after the match was supposed to start ? Are you sure that there was no miscommunication between NASL and White-ra ? White Ra didn't contact NASL at all. They tried his phone / email etc but nothing. It wasn't some kind of miscommunication, it was White Ra ignoring nasl after winning a good bit of money, then going to party. A bit off-topic perhaps, but actually I don't think White-Ra won any money at all at Dreamhack. First prize was 100k, second prize was a "wildcard", no other prizes. Correct me if I'm wrong. Read the news... it was 15k for the winner. I dont know for 2nd place, probably around 5k. No. 1st: 100 000 SEK cash ($15,000 or €10,000) + DreamHack Summer and Winter 2011 Wildcard. 2nd: DreamHack Summer 2011 Wildcard. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_DreamHack/Stockholm_Invitational
Yeah said 15k ... I thought it was implied I meant USD so we were all right. I was wrong for the second place though.
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On April 14 2011 10:44 dacthehork wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:42 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:29 trashcan wrote:On April 14 2011 10:24 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:14 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:05 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict. You didn't even think for a single second before making that post, right? Might also want to read the thread... I did read the thread. White-Ra was unavailable for the game, which was totally understandable considering the circumstances. The point is, they should have rescheduled instead of just awarding the win to July. Also, I'm sure White-Ra had a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything that happened. I might disagree with a lot of people in this thread about rescheduling, but no, they should have rescheduled long time before yesterday. As they did not as is their prerogative, the ruling to give win to July was perfectly correct. They just should not have left July waiting for 4h and do it sooner. They don't have to reschedule anything. It's the players responsibility. NASL isn't responsible for making your life fit perfectly. If you accepted NASL's contract and decided to play in it, maybe you should respect them and not attend tournaments that conflict with the schedule you agreed to. With that said NASL went out of their way to try and make this work while White-Ra didn't. It's simple as that and to try and put any blame, even partially ("NASL should have rescheduled"), on NASL is bullshit. Read the thread. I already said I am not blaming NASL for that. I am blaming NASL (and maybe White-ra) for keeping July there for 4 hours. They should have made the ruling after 45 minutes. I am all for following the rules and the decision was correct. That does not change the fact that their scheduling rules and far from perfect (and before you reply read what I mean by bad schedule). As for people saying White-ra is unprofessional, I would love to know how can you be sure ? Do you actually know why he went to the party and not to play ? If he just said, fuck it I want to party then yes he was unprofessional. But what if he thought that he was already forfeit since it was long after the match was supposed to start ? Are you sure that there was no miscommunication between NASL and White-ra ? White Ra didn't contact NASL at all. They tried his phone / email etc but nothing. It wasn't some kind of miscommunication, it was White Ra ignoring nasl after winning a good bit of money, then going to party.
If he thought he already forfeit why would he contact NASL ?
I often turn off my phone when I am not expecting messages/calls and it is not because I want to ignore someone. I also often ignore calls from unknown numbers altogether.
Also wasn't DH winner takes all ? In that case White-ra won nothing.
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On April 14 2011 10:37 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:35 Spacemanspiff wrote:
People are assuming that after being told there was a LAN center nearby, White-ra still refused to go there and didn't answer his phone knowing he had a match. This seems more like a miscommunication or that he had to catch a plane, but people are taking it as intentional with no evidence. He had to catch a plane...so he went to a party?
If I didn't have time to play a match before my plane left, I would stop by the party for a bit. We don't know what happened.
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On April 14 2011 10:53 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:44 dacthehork wrote:On April 14 2011 10:42 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:29 trashcan wrote:On April 14 2011 10:24 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 10:14 PraetorianX wrote:On April 14 2011 10:05 FliedLice wrote:On April 14 2011 10:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Not cool. Why not just give the win to White-Ra? It's not his fault, not even a little bit. Why couldn't you just play the game a different day, when White-Ra has a computer? The Dreamhack Finals was 2 days ago. I don't see how they could conflict. You didn't even think for a single second before making that post, right? Might also want to read the thread... I did read the thread. White-Ra was unavailable for the game, which was totally understandable considering the circumstances. The point is, they should have rescheduled instead of just awarding the win to July. Also, I'm sure White-Ra had a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything that happened. I might disagree with a lot of people in this thread about rescheduling, but no, they should have rescheduled long time before yesterday. As they did not as is their prerogative, the ruling to give win to July was perfectly correct. They just should not have left July waiting for 4h and do it sooner. They don't have to reschedule anything. It's the players responsibility. NASL isn't responsible for making your life fit perfectly. If you accepted NASL's contract and decided to play in it, maybe you should respect them and not attend tournaments that conflict with the schedule you agreed to. With that said NASL went out of their way to try and make this work while White-Ra didn't. It's simple as that and to try and put any blame, even partially ("NASL should have rescheduled"), on NASL is bullshit. Read the thread. I already said I am not blaming NASL for that. I am blaming NASL (and maybe White-ra) for keeping July there for 4 hours. They should have made the ruling after 45 minutes. I am all for following the rules and the decision was correct. That does not change the fact that their scheduling rules and far from perfect (and before you reply read what I mean by bad schedule). As for people saying White-ra is unprofessional, I would love to know how can you be sure ? Do you actually know why he went to the party and not to play ? If he just said, fuck it I want to party then yes he was unprofessional. But what if he thought that he was already forfeit since it was long after the match was supposed to start ? Are you sure that there was no miscommunication between NASL and White-ra ? White Ra didn't contact NASL at all. They tried his phone / email etc but nothing. It wasn't some kind of miscommunication, it was White Ra ignoring nasl after winning a good bit of money, then going to party. If he thought he already forfeit why would he contact NASL ? I often turn off my phone when I am not expecting messages/calls and it is not because I want to ignore someone. I also often ignore calls from unknown numbers altogether. Also wasn't DH winner takes all ? In that case White-ra won nothing.
lol you turn your phone off? you must be unpopular.
On April 14 2011 10:53 Spacemanspiff wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 10:37 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 14 2011 10:35 Spacemanspiff wrote:
People are assuming that after being told there was a LAN center nearby, White-ra still refused to go there and didn't answer his phone knowing he had a match. This seems more like a miscommunication or that he had to catch a plane, but people are taking it as intentional with no evidence. He had to catch a plane...so he went to a party? If I didn't have time to play a match before my plane left, I would stop by the party for a bit. We don't know what happened.
As I said, my friend who was at the afterparty left at around 04:30~ Swedish time (CET), she left before Whitera left.
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