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Magicpop
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada71 Posts
April 14 2011 16:01 GMT
#661
Not a big deal but the statistics page on their website shouldnt take in consideration the W.O. by July cause it doesnt represent what happened. He should have a 1-0 record in the standing page with 2points but 1-0 in the statistics page with no statistics yet cause he didnt play. This would keep the statistics page more accurate over the course of the season.
Treemonkeys
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2082 Posts
April 14 2011 16:07 GMT
#662
NASL left much to be desired last night, I will try to be as constructive as possible. Simply put the whole thing seemed very amateur, and I hope it is a work in progress and they are not planning on leaving it as is.

First of all the graphics and animations, fonts, logos, ect. all looked very amateur to me. Since I am not a graphics designer, I can't say what they are missing, only that it looks like something I would have designed when I've attempted to dabble in graphics design. They simply lack all the subtle touches that a professional graphics design would show.

Second the casters and/or the mics. They were always either talking too softly and then when they would raise their voice it would overload the mic and sound bad, like it was someone talking on ventrillo. Maybe they need better microphones or maybe the casters need to get used to the limited range of the mics they have, maybe a mix of phone.

Also dress code, one guy in a t-shirt and one guy in poorly worn tie looks stupid, do one or the other.

Observing was bad but people have already covered that.
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GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
April 14 2011 16:07 GMT
#663
Do something so I can load the site when the Euro stream is going on without having to look at a super-loud commercial. The stream shouldn't be on the main website. I shouldn't have to load the stream to load the website. It's dumb. Give me an obvious link somewhere, but not the stream itself on the main page.
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 16:26:39
April 14 2011 16:23 GMT
#664
People are not asking NASL to be creative and do something we have never seen before, all we want is for NASL to copy Dreamhack and GSL as closely as possible (and for gretorp to improve his casting) and the majority of people would be happy and buy tickets. You guys have two templates of what a well run event looks like; use them. Those events were live, you even have the advantage of being pre-recorded but the editing of the broadcast gives one the impression that either the editing software you are using is primitive or the person editing is not competent enough in its functionality.
emazzuca
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada33 Posts
April 14 2011 16:26 GMT
#665
Why does Gretorp hate my ears?
Live 2 game : game 2 Live
petu
Profile Joined July 2010
Finland81 Posts
April 14 2011 16:33 GMT
#666
don't spoil results of matches which "haven't" aired yet for euros on your front page (standings)
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
April 14 2011 16:34 GMT
#667
[image loading]

i already knew the results because i'm an impatient idiot, but i'm pretty sure there are people who would be pretty upset :|
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
April 14 2011 16:38 GMT
#668
1. Better mics, I realize you guys are on a strict budget, hopefully this is fixed with profits from season tickets.

2.Pay more attention to the in-game tabs that are left up. Frequently during last night's games the income tab was left up, when it wasn't necessary. The production tab should be up at all times. If they need a harvester check, switch quickly in and out of the income tab, or have one of the computers that isn't recording do a quick check like Artosis does. Please make use of some of the new displays as well, like the APM tab when there is a lul in the late game periods.

3. When your budget expands, get a professional observer. Tastosis struggled with this, and the NASL is going to as well. Since the production tab isn't always up, things are missed frequently. Fixing the tab issues isn't going to fix this problem entirely. Many people watch these games to analyze, in fact many paid for VODs to be able to analyze. This tab misuse and observation combo isn't doing them any favors.

4. I can't NOT say this: please deliver on time. It is expected of a new production to have many errors. Even an established professional group like GomTV had their troubles when they started GSL. However not delivering content on time for paying customers is what will create a bad reputation.

I want the best for E-sports, and right now that means I demand the best from you. glhf guys, here's to the rest of the season!
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
War Horse
Profile Joined January 2011
United States247 Posts
April 14 2011 16:38 GMT
#669
On April 15 2011 01:34 FliedLice wrote:
[image loading]

i already knew the results because i'm an impatient idiot, but i'm pretty sure there are people who would be pretty upset :|

That is really bad design =\

Mic/audio quality was once again a huge issue. When Gretorp got excited the volume levels were almost painful. Please set up a dynamic range compressor.
Why appeal to God when you can appeal to Apaches?
Kfcnoob
Profile Joined January 2011
United States296 Posts
April 14 2011 16:41 GMT
#670
diggty + incontrol at least
And Artosis sayeth "the one who kills many, but loses few, comes out ahead."
Thorxes
Profile Joined January 2011
United States119 Posts
April 14 2011 17:01 GMT
#671
On April 15 2011 01:38 Misanthrope wrote:

3. When your budget expands, get a professional observer. Tastosis struggled with this, and the NASL is going to as well. Since the production tab isn't always up, things are missed frequently. Fixing the tab issues isn't going to fix this problem entirely. Many people watch these games to analyze, in fact many paid for VODs to be able to analyze. This tab misuse and observation combo isn't doing them any favors.



Releasing replays would help with this analyzing issue. They either don't have the production tab up once they start the match, or sit on the resources/units lost tab for far too long.

I feel like I used to be smarter....but that's when I knew less.
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
April 14 2011 17:05 GMT
#672
On April 15 2011 02:01 Thorxes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 01:38 Misanthrope wrote:

3. When your budget expands, get a professional observer. Tastosis struggled with this, and the NASL is going to as well. Since the production tab isn't always up, things are missed frequently. Fixing the tab issues isn't going to fix this problem entirely. Many people watch these games to analyze, in fact many paid for VODs to be able to analyze. This tab misuse and observation combo isn't doing them any favors.



Releasing replays would help with this analyzing issue. They either don't have the production tab up once they start the match, or sit on the resources/units lost tab for far too long.


They're not releasing replays. It would be moronic of them to release replays.
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
Ohdamn
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany765 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 17:15:24
April 14 2011 17:11 GMT
#673
omg gretorp RLY needs to stop screaming
it hurts my ears..

edit: and yeah.. if you want to be successful as one of the biggest sc2 leagues you can't let someone cast the games just because you like him as a person or whatever
if the rest of the world thinks he's not a good commentator something needs to change there...

no one cares if he casts GCPL or something like that..but he's just not good enough for the North American Star League

just my 2 cents
"If you can chill....chill!"
Thorxes
Profile Joined January 2011
United States119 Posts
April 14 2011 17:20 GMT
#674
On April 15 2011 02:05 GeorgeForeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 02:01 Thorxes wrote:
On April 15 2011 01:38 Misanthrope wrote:

3. When your budget expands, get a professional observer. Tastosis struggled with this, and the NASL is going to as well. Since the production tab isn't always up, things are missed frequently. Fixing the tab issues isn't going to fix this problem entirely. Many people watch these games to analyze, in fact many paid for VODs to be able to analyze. This tab misuse and observation combo isn't doing them any favors.



Releasing replays would help with this analyzing issue. They either don't have the production tab up once they start the match, or sit on the resources/units lost tab for far too long.


They're not releasing replays. It would be moronic of them to release replays.


There is a lot of value to the community if they release the replays. It is not moronic.

NASL has always marketed their production quality as a key factor to buying a season ticket; so youtube casters don't pose a financial threat to NASL because youtube casters don't have the same production capabilities as the NASL.

In the end, NASL still keeps on trucking and entertaining the SC2 fans with a great show, and after watching a cool cast we can go back and dig into the details of the match and improve our play.

I feel like I used to be smarter....but that's when I knew less.
Hayku
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany24 Posts
April 14 2011 17:24 GMT
#675
i would actually prefer higher seats for the guys cause u almost only see the head and it seems pretty ugly and unproffesional
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
April 14 2011 17:27 GMT
#676
On April 15 2011 01:07 Treemonkeys wrote:
NASL left much to be desired last night, I will try to be as constructive as possible. Simply put the whole thing seemed very amateur, and I hope it is a work in progress and they are not planning on leaving it as is.

First of all the graphics and animations, fonts, logos, ect. all looked very amateur to me. Since I am not a graphics designer, I can't say what they are missing, only that it looks like something I would have designed when I've attempted to dabble in graphics design. They simply lack all the subtle touches that a professional graphics design would show.

I dont like the "rounded font" they use on their homepage either. It is also bad to have a webpage with a dark background and white text, because that strains the eye more than the other way round. Light background and dark text is much easier to read, but maybe that is on purpose to be in synch with the dark grey studio. Whoever did it should be fired IMO.

The logo on the left side of the screen during the games is a really good idea IMO because the bottom right is interesting for the viewer ... to see if units have certain spells or not.

On April 15 2011 01:07 Treemonkeys wrote:
Also dress code, one guy in a t-shirt and one guy in poorly worn tie looks stupid, do one or the other.

Diggity looked 10 times better dressed than Gretorp even though Gretorp had "a jacket". The T-Shirt totally ruins any "seriousness" of the jacket and I didnt really notice the "poorly worn tie". The black jackets also look rather depressing in a dark and depressing grey studio.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
April 14 2011 17:37 GMT
#677
To be on the positive side, some of these issues are sure to be fixed on tonight's broadcast. Consider that they were recording yesterday's as the first one aired, so they couldn't exactly adjust to feedback until the one that airs tonight. I just hope Gretorp doesn't seem super depressed...he's really gotten the most hate out of this. I predict tonight we may see background music at the very least along with slightly better adjusted gamma.
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
April 14 2011 17:39 GMT
#678
On April 15 2011 01:38 Misanthrope wrote:
2.Pay more attention to the in-game tabs that are left up. Frequently during last night's games the income tab was left up, when it wasn't necessary. The production tab should be up at all times. If they need a harvester check, switch quickly in and out of the income tab, or have one of the computers that isn't recording do a quick check like Artosis does. Please make use of some of the new displays as well, like the APM tab when there is a lul in the late game periods.

I'd argue that the production tab should not be up at all times. If the spectator can see, at all times during the game, what's being produced then there's no element of surprise. Will the colossus come out in time to hold off the timing attack? Will the broodlords spawn soon enough? Exciting moments like these won't exist if we have the timings of these units glaring at us all game long. There's an art to casting a game, such as hiding reinforcements to make the audience feel like an attack is about to end, then suddenly revealing a fresh army to keep the action going. There's a time for every tab to be useful, but production shouldn't have any higher priority than the others.
Sup.
Caspas
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany157 Posts
April 14 2011 17:42 GMT
#679
Thanks for NASL, anyway. But i have to ask. Will there be alternative possibilities than credit card to pay for the season ticket (and will they be there soon)? I'd really like to pay, but I'm not gonna get a credit card for this.
lolrider
Profile Joined July 2010
United States12 Posts
April 14 2011 18:00 GMT
#680
The studio shots - dark background, dark desk, only head and shoulders behind a desk - look old and tired from day 1. Get some colour in the studio and stand up. It's a far more interesting look. And you can always move to a viewing area for the commentary while the games are loading.
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