this has probably been said already, but I think that the fixed grandmaster is a good idea, it gives a sense of constancy to the league unlike other leagues.

Treat it like its a GSL Code S denomination. Players that are Code S are enshrined for their previous performance, and retain Code S indisputably for the length of a season. Then a new GSL season starts a month later and we have a new Code S players.

Grandmaster gives us some names that we can hold on too for awhile. But yeah if the seasons last more than 3 months then that sucks.

Jaden-

6 Posts

April 13 2011 19:54 GMT

#502

its info!, it mean that my MMR was still pretty high and it carry over

Lysenko

Iceland2128 Posts

April 13 2011 19:56 GMT

#503

On April 14 2011 04:50 displaced wrote:
I'm not going to look up the definition of inflation because I have class soon, but it should be pretty clear what I mean. Your implications were wrong - someone who quit last fall won't have a high MMR just by sitting on it for a year, due to everyone else's MMR rising due to a "MMR inflation" as I described. Unless everyone quits starcraft, MMR will constantly rise over time. if 2k MMR is top 200 today, in a year 3k mmr will probably be top 200.

You're simply not correct about this. There is no MMR inflation for the active population. Here's Excalibur_Z's explanation from another thread (and I believe that his understanding of this comes from his conversations with developers at Blizzcon and through his connections from the Blizzard forum MVP program.)

On March 06 2011 11:20 Excalibur_Z wrote:
What we can take this to mean is that the top of the ladder gets more and more exclusive. Let's use a chess example. Let's say that I started a new league that used the existing Elo ranking system, but it was invite-only, and I decided to only invite 3 players: a 2800 grandmaster, a 2400 master, and a 1500 average player. Because they're only allowed to play each other, their former ratings will no longer be accurate. What would happen over time is that the average player's rating would plummet because he can no longer win any games since there are no ladder participants weaker than him to prop him up to 1500. The master player would become the new average because while he can't beat the grandmaster, those losses are offset by beating the average player. It may take some time before each player settles on their new rating in my ladder, but their ratings would be very different from what they were previously.

The same is true in SC2 as time passes. Bronze players quit, Silver players no longer have as many Bronze players to beat, so they become the new Bronze players over time. We know this is the case because SC2Ranks, which shows league stats of all accounts, has around 44% of players in Bronze. That means a majority of those Bronze players have simply quit playing, and over time more people get dropped into Bronze because their MMRs are no longer propped up by those bad players, effectively making them the bad players relatively speaking.

Excalibur_Z

United States12238 Posts

April 13 2011 20:08 GMT

#504

On April 14 2011 04:50 displaced wrote:

Show nested quote +

I'm not going to look up the definition of inflation because I have class soon, but it should be pretty clear what I mean. Your implications were wrong - someone who quit last fall won't have a high MMR just by sitting on it for a year, due to everyone else's MMR rising due to a "MMR inflation" as I described. Unless everyone quits starcraft, MMR will constantly rise over time. if 2k MMR is top 200 today, in a year 3k mmr will probably be top 200.

Calling it "MMR inflation" isn't technically accurate, it's more like "MMR recalibration" or "MMR correction" or something like that. Inflation means that the average rating increases over time as a result of new players feeding the average players who feed the good players who feed the very good players, but because Blizzard's system emphasizes activity and targets rating accuracy based upon activity, it cuts both ways.

Alphasquad

Austria505 Posts

April 13 2011 20:21 GMT

#505

im looking forward to blizzard changing gm league with dynamic promoting/demoting to prevent the abuse of a new account's mmr

Jei-

Bulgaria33 Posts

April 13 2011 21:32 GMT

#506

Darkforce just entered GM

DiDigital

75 Posts

April 13 2011 21:47 GMT

#507

On April 14 2011 04:50 displaced wrote:

I'm not going to look up the definition of inflation because I have class soon, but it should be pretty clear what I mean. Your implications were wrong - someone who quit last fall won't have a high MMR just by sitting on it for a year, due to everyone else's MMR rising due to a "MMR inflation" as I described. Unless everyone quits starcraft, MMR will constantly rise over time. if 2k MMR is top 200 today, in a year 3k mmr will probably be top 200.

This isn't entirely true. The league average MMR will stay about the same over time. The very elite and the worst of the worst will see their rankings get further and further from the mean but I don't think the 'inflation' is that large. Blizzard uses static goal posts for the leagues which implies that the system is designed to prevent changes to player MMR's over time. Also we have already seen many many players from diamond all the way up to grand masters who have squated on their MMR rating and it has held up over time despite them earning it months ago.

Hydrox911

United Kingdom261 Posts

April 13 2011 23:34 GMT

#508

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but you are unable to add any of the grandmaster league as friends, probably to make sure they dont get constantly spammed by everyone. Not sure if this has been mentioned so sorry if it has.

random user

85 Posts

April 13 2011 23:59 GMT

#509

If someone managed to miss it, you can see the Grandmaster's Division by clicking on "Leagues and Ladders" and then clicking on the Grandmasters tab.

Edit: I misunderstood a post, and since I can't delete this message as far as I could tell, I tried to make it not totally useless. Sorry about that.

BlackGosu

Canada1046 Posts

April 14 2011 00:20 GMT

#510

guys who cares if those who dont deserve to be in GM are in. if they dont deserve it, they will be kicked out.

Altern

United States1053 Posts

April 14 2011 01:53 GMT

#511

So after checking SC2ranks, I'm guessing all the servers now have Grandmasters implemented

Wolf

Korea (South)3290 Posts

April 14 2011 06:11 GMT

#512

Don't know if anyone mentioned this, but you can't chat Grand Masters. Period.

Zerglinguist

United States55 Posts

April 14 2011 06:14 GMT

#513

On April 14 2011 15:11 Wolf wrote:
Don't know if anyone mentioned this, but you can't chat Grand Masters. Period.

???
This is not true at all. Maybe if they are RealID friends you are able to because I have a friend in grandmasters and I was giving him props after his promotion. I initiated the contact as well... I'll have to randomly whisper pros to see if they respond

Wolf

Korea (South)3290 Posts

April 14 2011 06:30 GMT

#514

On April 14 2011 15:14 Zerglinguist wrote:

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I think you have to be mutual friends with them. I couldn't add/chat any of my friends from one of my accouts they didn't know.

OooLong

Canada98 Posts

April 14 2011 06:46 GMT

#515

How does Dayvie with 27-17 something rec got into GM but idra didn't. I don't get it.

Wolf

Korea (South)3290 Posts

April 14 2011 06:59 GMT

#516

I'm 40-25 and I didn't get it. It's more complex than you think. I've been told there are MMR zones, so if all the spots near your MMR are taken, you can't get in unless you drop/go up