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On April 12 2011 09:09 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 09:00 brotosterone wrote:
So if you don't get in on the first two weeks, and all players stay active, you can't get into GM even if you become #1 in NA in the third week? If all of the top 200 players who have been preselected all play their games right when the league goes live, they will stay in that league for the entire season regardless of performance, as long as they are able to keep their bonus pool below 270. Basically this is to showcase the top 200 players on the server but the activity requirement is there to keep the league from stagnating. If it were just the top 200 then the bottom ~70-80ish slots would probably be fluctuating constantly.
What would be bad about it fluctuating constantly? I'm all in favor of a more dynamic ladder, the more dynamic the more accurate it is.
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What did blizzard thought when they did the rule, that you won't get dropped out of the grand master league?
It would be ok, if you can only get up to grandmaster league all 4 weeks or something like that ... but that you can only get to grandmaster league while someone dropping isn't good 
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What if they made it so 5 or 10 additional players get added to the Grandmaster's league each week.
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On April 12 2011 11:02 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 10:21 GagnarTheUnruly wrote:
Such a weird, convoluted system. It's so weird that performance in the first two weeks of the season is the only thing that matters. Since MMR didn't get reset, all the season 1 performance factors into it also. The only reason to have a couple of weeks at the start of Season 2 is to find out who's active for the new season.
Playing for the first two weeks = you're active for the new season?
Also for those saying that GM league is some sort of prize for performing well in Season 1, I don't buy that because I'm pretty sure someone like Idra could have bought a new copy of the game a week ago and still make it to the top 200.
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On April 13 2011 05:37 LetoAtreides82 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 09:09 Excalibur_Z wrote:On April 12 2011 09:00 brotosterone wrote:
So if you don't get in on the first two weeks, and all players stay active, you can't get into GM even if you become #1 in NA in the third week? If all of the top 200 players who have been preselected all play their games right when the league goes live, they will stay in that league for the entire season regardless of performance, as long as they are able to keep their bonus pool below 270. Basically this is to showcase the top 200 players on the server but the activity requirement is there to keep the league from stagnating. If it were just the top 200 then the bottom ~70-80ish slots would probably be fluctuating constantly. What would be bad about it fluctuating constantly? I'm all in favor of a more dynamic ladder, the more dynamic the more accurate it is.
Ya that's what I was thinking too. It'd actually be WAY cooler if the league was re-evaluated every two weeks, rather then just the first 2 weeks of every season, considering how long seasons are based on the length of the first one.
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On April 13 2011 05:47 ffadicted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 05:37 LetoAtreides82 wrote:On April 12 2011 09:09 Excalibur_Z wrote:On April 12 2011 09:00 brotosterone wrote:
So if you don't get in on the first two weeks, and all players stay active, you can't get into GM even if you become #1 in NA in the third week? If all of the top 200 players who have been preselected all play their games right when the league goes live, they will stay in that league for the entire season regardless of performance, as long as they are able to keep their bonus pool below 270. Basically this is to showcase the top 200 players on the server but the activity requirement is there to keep the league from stagnating. If it were just the top 200 then the bottom ~70-80ish slots would probably be fluctuating constantly. What would be bad about it fluctuating constantly? I'm all in favor of a more dynamic ladder, the more dynamic the more accurate it is. Ya that's what I was thinking too. It'd actually be WAY cooler if the league was re-evaluated every two weeks, rather then just the first 2 weeks of every season, considering how long seasons are based on the length of the first one.
I don't believe they're all going to be that long.
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They did say that subsequent seasons are going to be much shorter then the first one. I can't find the source on blizz's site but I definately remember seeing that.
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LA GM is up and running.
Probably went live at the same time of NA, because they are the same server, just with different matchmaking system (segregated players).
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Does anyone have the source where it says you must win to get promoted?
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Your MMR carries over from the previous season, most players only have about 20 games in this season during the last few weeks to 'tweak' their MMR. However, there's no reason it shouldn't be representative as designed from my understanding of the math.
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Yeah NA is live. If you're top 200 you better play a game asap 
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On April 13 2011 05:46 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
Playing for the first two weeks = you're active for the new season?
Pretty much, although let's be serious, how many top 200 players are just going to stop playing the game for weeks on end? Some, perhaps, but probably not that many.
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On April 13 2011 06:04 lethal111 wrote:
Does anyone have the source where it says you must win to get promoted?
I've never heard this either.
MMR and sigma are the two factors that place you in a league. You can have a great MMR and a lousy (huge) sigma because you occasionally lose to bronze/silver people, and that'll prevent you from getting above a certain league.
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That being said, you need a game played to change leagues.
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So happy. Promoted!
Started off with 2 wins over master league players, one win vs Grandmaster, one lost vs Grandmaster, then a win vs a master league player to get promoted!!
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On April 13 2011 06:07 Gospadin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 06:04 lethal111 wrote:
Does anyone have the source where it says you must win to get promoted? I've never heard this either. MMR and sigma are the two factors that place you in a league. You can have a great MMR and a lousy (huge) sigma because you occasionally lose to bronze/silver people, and that'll prevent you from getting above a certain league.
I'm pretty sure it's true. When Master's came out I was reasonably high diamond and people far below me got in on a single won game. I had a terrible day and went 0-6 or something before finally winning one and was immediately put into Master's. This was also with a large # of games played and 0 bonus pool so my sigma should have been really small from the start and my MMR was certaintly always above the required threshold.
It doesn't make sense to promote on a loss. What if you had somehow inflated your rating and were at the start of a 40 game losing streak? Why should it promote you as you fail miserably. With a win the system can say, "well alright he's at LEAST good enough for this promotion"
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I finished 150 last season only to tilt last night and not make GM league... sigh.. players are rewarded for mass gaming in 2 weeks instead of consistancy over the previous season.. makes no sense to me and now I find out that not only did I miss the league I can't ever get into it until season 3.. pretty ridiculous.. I mean how hard is it to play 1 game a day and use bonus pool.. then on top of that you have to be the #1 player in NA outside of masters to get promoted.. rofl
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On April 12 2011 10:20 TheResidentEvil wrote:
I think that locking the top 200 is pretty dumb.
I think making statements like that and not giving arguments is even dumber.
I just hope the GM league will be available to the top pro's who haven't been able to play for the last few weeks because of GSL/MLG/Dreamhack etc.
Will be interesting to see how this GM will develop.
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On April 13 2011 06:16 Synapze wrote:
I finished 150 last season only to tilt last night and not make GM league... sigh.. players are rewarded for mass gaming in 2 weeks instead of consistancy over the previous season.. makes no sense to me and now I find out that not only did I miss the league I can't ever get into it until season 3.. pretty ridiculous.. I mean how hard is it to play 1 game a day and use bonus pool.. then on top of that you have to be the #1 player in NA outside of masters to get promoted.. rofl
Well it's not too late, NA GM has only 73 players so far. Try to raise your MMR above the remaining 127 and secure a spot before they can win a game!
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