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Drakonis
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada97 Posts
April 11 2011 03:32 GMT
#541
On April 11 2011 12:28 skindzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 12:15 Jotoco wrote:
I would like to see responses from pro-players that said SC2 skill ceilling was too low...

This proves it is sky high, and probably impossible to ever reach.




So skill ceiling is high because with 15000 apm every ranged unit would be unstoppable? Its not really an argument...



How many times in this thread is this video going to get posted?
Read the previous pages and you'd know it's already in here.
yankjenets
Profile Joined June 2010
United States232 Posts
April 11 2011 03:33 GMT
#542
On April 11 2011 12:28 skindzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 12:15 Jotoco wrote:
I would like to see responses from pro-players that said SC2 skill ceilling was too low...

This proves it is sky high, and probably impossible to ever reach.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcjQhig88wE

So skill ceiling is high because with 15000 apm every ranged unit would be unstoppable? Its not really an argument...


I mean, it really is a perfectly valid argument...
Because you agree that this 15000 "ceiling" is basically impossible to achieve for a human, it is essentially as if there is no skill ceiling at all for humans.
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 03:35:14
April 11 2011 03:34 GMT
#543
So remember when people said there were no micro tricks and people were near the skill ceiling of SC2? O_O Where's your 15k APM? Haha.

EDIT: Said multiple times in last couple pages... sigh.
Gee gee gee gee baby baby baby
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
April 11 2011 03:41 GMT
#544
wowowow. That medivac micro is incredible.
Liquid FIGHTING!!!
AwallFTW
Profile Joined January 2011
United States103 Posts
April 11 2011 03:43 GMT
#545
Dude that was sick. Great work!!!
MC Probe, Yeah, Yeah Thats Me... MC Probe... Seriously.
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
April 11 2011 04:03 GMT
#546
On April 10 2011 21:54 InsaniaK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 02:29 Elean wrote:
In the zerglings vs tanks, it's not micro, your bot is cheating by using the info of which ling is targetted. Even with perfect micro, it is not possible to achieve with normal information.

Marine vs bannelings is different, it really shows the limit of the unit. But to be fair, the bannelings sould also be controlled by a bot.


Is it really THAT hard to read?
It has been stated multiple times that it doesn't cheat to see which ling is being targeted. It just predicts it and according to the OP it is rather easy to do so.


Their AI predicts assuming a bunch of Tanks that are on Hold Position (i.e. automatic targeting and/or targeting closest clumps of units).

Granted, targeting the most dense groups of units would theoretically be optimal, but it's also incredibly obvious. A "randomized" targeting among, say, the upper 80% of "ling groupings" is much more difficult to predict, effectively becoming more optimal in practice.

Obviously, if you know how the Tank AI works, you can program accordingly to counter it >.>
KneeDeeP
Profile Joined July 2010
United States256 Posts
April 11 2011 04:12 GMT
#547
If I ever saw anyone splitting there lings or marines like that I would literally lose my mind hahah
"the virtuous man is content to dream what a wicked man really does"
Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
April 11 2011 05:49 GMT
#548
Wow that was pretty interesting. I wonder if we'll ever see mini versions of the zergling type micro in pro games. We already have mini versions of the marine micro, but staggering lings and microing them to minimize splash is something I could actually see being implemented by gosu players.
Do an arranged marriage if she's not completely minging, and don't worry about dancing, get a go-kart, cheers.
ch0c0b0fr34k
Profile Joined October 2010
United States452 Posts
April 11 2011 05:57 GMT
#549
On April 07 2011 21:56 Rassy wrote:
Wow thats amazing
Shows how much potential to improve is still untapped

dont agree with the muta vid btw
If the mutas are smart i am sure they can kill the phoenix on that map
Since the phoenix is allowed godly control, then why are the mutas not?

mutas should spread all across the map aproaching the phoenix from all directions so it cant keep running tailing 50 mutas -.-


You can't put two machines up against each other...there'd be a crapton of variables since each AI has a ton of "if...then.." in it.
Pew pew!
jaerak
Profile Joined January 2010
United States124 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 06:55:07
April 11 2011 06:52 GMT
#550
Marine micro like that may never be possible, but maybe the drop micro can be done by pros?
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 07:04:34
April 11 2011 07:02 GMT
#551
On April 11 2011 12:28 skindzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 12:15 Jotoco wrote:
I would like to see responses from pro-players that said SC2 skill ceilling was too low...

This proves it is sky high, and probably impossible to ever reach.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcjQhig88wE

So skill ceiling is high because with 15000 apm every ranged unit would be unstoppable? Its not really an argument...


That video demonstrates optimal patrol micro. I don't think pro players use that much or have practiced doing it for star2 yet. You can do that with banshees.
There's no S in KT. :P
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
April 11 2011 07:04 GMT
#552
That tank/medivac video reminded me of old reaver drops...gogogo part 2!
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
kirbynator
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada503 Posts
April 11 2011 08:31 GMT
#553
i was jiggling all throughout the marine video

keep em up
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 11 2011 08:37 GMT
#554
I admit... I giggled like a school girl.

Maybe do something with colossus and roaches.
Mutas and Thors
and how about Blink Stalkers with a really large zergling count.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 08:59:19
April 11 2011 08:55 GMT
#555
The marine/baneling video shows that we are not even close to the most amazing SC2 matches yet.

I wonder if Blizzard is using something like this to balance the game, a bit closer to humanly possible.

Edit: OK, the medivac video was crazy, so much potential for real time use in that!
I am not young enough to know everything.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
April 11 2011 08:59 GMT
#556

i love your videos! keep up the good work!
i think its not that long until we see dropmicro like that in a real game.
(maybe by tankking.prime.we or GoOdy :D in GSL 27)
artosis and tasteless would go crazy
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
Jacuzzi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States528 Posts
April 11 2011 09:00 GMT
#557
That was SICK to say the least, I can't believe I've been ignoring this thread for so long.

I would love to see this bot put up in a show match or something of the like against some pros. Kind of like a supercomputer that plays against chess grandmasters.
NeoLearner
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Belgium1847 Posts
April 11 2011 09:04 GMT
#558
Awesome videos, nice way to hype them up before showing off the micro skills. This is me being impressed.

Second movie shows why you should never engage off creep, especially not in the open.

What happens if you try to do that scenario on creep, or a confined space? Because they retreat quite far the first few volleys.
Bankai - Correlation does not imply causation
woreyour
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
582 Posts
April 11 2011 09:49 GMT
#559
I hope you make the full AI and battle other known AIs like SKYNET, Berkeley Overmind and Behemoth AI.

P.S.: To all haters thinking this is a bot, please learn how to read and understand what you are reading before wasting a couple of keystrokes of ignorance. And also, get a life.
I am so sexy.. I sometimes romance myself..
SovSov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States755 Posts
April 11 2011 09:54 GMT
#560
There are hacks that do this now, infinite APM micro, on ladder.
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