http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcjQhig88wE

So skill ceiling is high because with 15000 apm every ranged unit would be unstoppable? Its not really an argument...

I mean, it really is a perfectly valid argument...
Because you agree that this 15000 "ceiling" is basically impossible to achieve for a human, it is essentially as if there is no skill ceiling at all for humans.

Takkara

United States2503 Posts

April 11 2011 03:34 GMT

#543

So remember when people said there were no micro tricks and people were near the skill ceiling of SC2? O_O Where's your 15k APM? Haha.

EDIT: Said multiple times in last couple pages... sigh.

KevinIX

United States2472 Posts

April 11 2011 03:41 GMT

#544

wowowow. That medivac micro is incredible.

AwallFTW

United States103 Posts

April 11 2011 03:43 GMT

#545

Dude that was sick. Great work!!!

Zeke50100

United States2220 Posts

April 11 2011 04:03 GMT

#546

On April 10 2011 21:54 InsaniaK wrote:

Show nested quote +

Is it really THAT hard to read?
It has been stated multiple times that it doesn't cheat to see which ling is being targeted. It just predicts it and according to the OP it is rather easy to do so.

Their AI predicts assuming a bunch of Tanks that are on Hold Position (i.e. automatic targeting and/or targeting closest clumps of units).

Granted, targeting the most dense groups of units would theoretically be optimal, but it's also incredibly obvious. A "randomized" targeting among, say, the upper 80% of "ling groupings" is much more difficult to predict, effectively becoming more optimal in practice.

Obviously, if you know how the Tank AI works, you can program accordingly to counter it >.>

KneeDeeP

United States256 Posts

April 11 2011 04:12 GMT

#547

If I ever saw anyone splitting there lings or marines like that I would literally lose my mind hahah

Zim23

United States1681 Posts

April 11 2011 05:49 GMT

#548

Wow that was pretty interesting. I wonder if we'll ever see mini versions of the zergling type micro in pro games. We already have mini versions of the marine micro, but staggering lings and microing them to minimize splash is something I could actually see being implemented by gosu players.

ch0c0b0fr34k

United States452 Posts

April 11 2011 05:57 GMT

#549

On April 07 2011 21:56 Rassy wrote:
Wow thats amazing
Shows how much potential to improve is still untapped

dont agree with the muta vid btw
If the mutas are smart i am sure they can kill the phoenix on that map
Since the phoenix is allowed godly control, then why are the mutas not?

mutas should spread all across the map aproaching the phoenix from all directions so it cant keep running tailing 50 mutas -.-

You can't put two machines up against each other...there'd be a crapton of variables since each AI has a ton of "if...then.." in it.

jaerak

United States124 Posts

April 11 2011 06:52 GMT

#550

Marine micro like that may never be possible, but maybe the drop micro can be done by pros?

Baarn

United States2702 Posts

April 11 2011 07:02 GMT

#551

On April 11 2011 12:28 skindzer wrote:

Show nested quote +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcjQhig88wE

So skill ceiling is high because with 15000 apm every ranged unit would be unstoppable? Its not really an argument...

That video demonstrates optimal patrol micro. I don't think pro players use that much or have practiced doing it for star2 yet. You can do that with banshees.

FinestHour

United States18466 Posts

April 11 2011 07:04 GMT

#552

That tank/medivac video reminded me of old reaver drops...gogogo part 2!

kirbynator

Canada503 Posts

April 11 2011 08:31 GMT

#553

i was jiggling all throughout the marine video

keep em up

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

April 11 2011 08:37 GMT

#554

I admit... I giggled like a school girl.

Maybe do something with colossus and roaches.
Mutas and Thors
and how about Blink Stalkers with a really large zergling count.

Jiddra

Sweden2685 Posts

April 11 2011 08:55 GMT

#555

The marine/baneling video shows that we are not even close to the most amazing SC2 matches yet.

I wonder if Blizzard is using something like this to balance the game, a bit closer to humanly possible.

Edit: OK, the medivac video was crazy, so much potential for real time use in that!

graNite

Germany4434 Posts

April 11 2011 08:59 GMT

#556

i love your videos! keep up the good work!
i think its not that long until we see dropmicro like that in a real game.
(maybe by tankking.prime.we or GoOdy :D in GSL 27)
artosis and tasteless would go crazy

Jacuzzi

United States528 Posts

April 11 2011 09:00 GMT

#557

That was SICK to say the least, I can't believe I've been ignoring this thread for so long.

I would love to see this bot put up in a show match or something of the like against some pros. Kind of like a supercomputer that plays against chess grandmasters.

NeoLearner

Belgium1847 Posts

April 11 2011 09:04 GMT

#558

Awesome videos, nice way to hype them up before showing off the micro skills. This is me being impressed.

Second movie shows why you should never engage off creep, especially not in the open.

What happens if you try to do that scenario on creep, or a confined space? Because they retreat quite far the first few volleys.

woreyour

582 Posts

April 11 2011 09:49 GMT

#559

I hope you make the full AI and battle other known AIs like SKYNET, Berkeley Overmind and Behemoth AI.

P.S.: To all haters thinking this is a bot, please learn how to read and understand what you are reading before wasting a couple of keystrokes of ignorance. And also, get a life.