EPTOn April 05 2011 09:39 Shurafa wrote:
Caps Lock, Q, W, S with the thumb on Spacebar.
Caps Lock, Q, W, S with the thumb on Spacebar.
That position is fairly forced on me. Then again, I have relatively big hands & fingers.
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bashalisk
102 Posts
That position is fairly forced on me. Then again, I have relatively big hands & fingers. | ||
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-{Cake}-
United States217 Posts
So 1-5 are groups 1-5 ctrl + shift + 2-5 are 6-9 recalled with alt + the number ctrl + spacebar is group 0 (with all hatch/nex/cc on it) setting camera keys is ctrl + qwer and asdf, recalled by alt + the corresponding key Now if only I would start using those lovely camera keys xP I want to change it some more, ideally by moving everything to the right side of the keyboard so that my thumb can hit space, alt, ctrl, and shift as modifiers, my pinky can be on gh as more modifiers, and base everything as multiple stacks on uiop with my other three fingers. That will probably be really difficult to learn though | ||
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Shurafa
United States79 Posts
On April 18 2011 21:06 -{Cake}- wrote: Something I found handy was to go with a 'modifier' system So 1-5 are groups 1-5 ctrl + shift + 2-5 are 6-9 recalled with alt + the number ctrl + spacebar is group 0 (with all hatch/nex/cc on it) setting camera keys is ctrl + qwer and asdf, recalled by alt + the corresponding key Now if only I would start using those lovely camera keys xP I want to change it some more, ideally by moving everything to the right side of the keyboard so that my thumb can hit space, alt, ctrl, and shift as modifiers, my pinky can be on gh as more modifiers, and base everything as multiple stacks on uiop with my other three fingers. That will probably be really difficult to learn though I tried this during the beta on the PRT! I found that it works fairly well. My biggest gripe with it was that using the ALT+Control and Shift was a bit awkward for me especially when trying to macro during a battle, The original post can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174268 I called this type of hotkey setup "control 5". I like the term "Modifier" though, its simple and makes sense intuitively. | ||
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Dymitr
Russian Federation6 Posts
p.s. Thanks again, going to take this as my new main setup =) | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
I did this for Protoss only, so I'm not actually sure it would even be workable for other races. Most building keys are grid-like on: wer sdf xcv And so are most unit production keys, while spells are biased towards the wasd keys because thats where I rest my hands. I could go into more detail but I'm pretty sure I've done some derpy stuff so I won't unless asked - but I would suggest trying a similarly mirrored control group setup for anyone who's concerned about the default hand position in the OP's scheme. | ||
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Shurafa
United States79 Posts
On April 18 2011 20:55 TeddyBoy wrote: 1 more question Shurafa, what kind of mouse you use? I am currently using a Logitech G500 Mouse. I used to have an MX518. Both are really great mice for gaming! | ||
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Irrevocable_Cascade
7 Posts
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Fiveaces
United States2 Posts
Basic layout: 1QAZ - Unit control groups 2345 - Macro control groups (6 and 7 too, but lets be honest - you're not using 10 control groups) Space - Attack TGB - Move, Hold, Patrol (H is stop, I use it rarely) WER - Majority of spells/abilities XC : State-changing abilities (Unit morphs, guardian shield, baneling explode, Tank/Viking transforms). These abilities do not require an additional mouse click to activate and thus are more costly to press accidentally... especially baneling detonate. Thus, I force myself to actually move my hand slightly to press these. Finally, all production build commands are the same as the grid hotkey setup, but shifted over one column to WER/SDF/XCV. TGB actually feels very natural for movement keys, all easily accessed by my index finger while my pinkie selects control groups. Space for attack is even better: Q-space-A-space-Z-space actually feels better than 1A2A3A to me (Full disclosure: no BW experience :p ) | ||
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Shurafa
United States79 Posts
On April 22 2011 07:03 Fiveaces wrote: I've been using a hotkey setup similar to this - however, my mouse only has three buttons (and the "middle" button is too hard to click), so I came up with a slightly different solution: Basic layout: 1QAZ - Unit control groups 2345 - Macro control groups (6 and 7 too, but lets be honest - you're not using 10 control groups) Space - Attack TGB - Move, Hold, Patrol (H is stop, I use it rarely) WER - Majority of spells/abilities XC : State-changing abilities (Unit morphs, guardian shield, baneling explode, Tank/Viking transforms). These abilities do not require an additional mouse click to activate and thus are more costly to press accidentally... especially baneling detonate. Thus, I force myself to actually move my hand slightly to press these. Finally, all production build commands are the same as the grid hotkey setup, but shifted over one column to WER/SDF/XCV. TGB actually feels very natural for movement keys, all easily accessed by my index finger while my pinkie selects control groups. Space for attack is even better: Q-space-A-space-Z-space actually feels better than 1A2A3A to me (Full disclosure: no BW experience :p ) Nice setup. I really like the idea of keeping your unit controls TGB so you can manage it with your index finger easily. I tried this briefly but found that I was less accurate with them further out on the keyboard which is why I moved them to S,D,F. Keep us posted on how this setup works for you. And get a 4/5 button mouse it makes a big difference! | ||
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Fungal Growth
United States434 Posts
 However...I did rekey my OS'es keymapping so spacebar is my new shift. The thumb on the spacebar (for us righties) is logically a pivot key...it works so well in combination with other keys and it is a huge waste use it for message notifications (which are impractical to use anyways). With spacebar as my new shift queueing commands is sooo slick...especially because I'm on grid and a lot of what I want do is on qaz...with the old setup shift + qaz was such a huge pain because you would have to move your ring finger over to cover these keys while pinky held down shift. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
The lack of F-keys was honestly one of the biggest reasons why I didn't buy SC2...but if there are F1-F4 hotkeys now...I might be changing my mind there.... Somebody please answer this. | ||
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Psycosquirrel
United States161 Posts
On April 23 2011 04:19 Zapdos_Smithh wrote: Custom hotkey set-up...so wait a sec...can you have F-keys legally in SC2 like they were in BW? I mean the ones where you choose the camera locations, F1-F4. The lack of F-keys was honestly one of the biggest reasons why I didn't buy SC2...but if there are F1-F4 hotkeys now...I might be changing my mind there.... Somebody please answer this. I know you can set F5-F8 to camera locations, and I'm fairly sure you can switch those with the hero selectors (F1-F4), so I believe so. But you didn't get SC2 because you couldn't set camera hotkeys? Take a step back and evaluate how silly that is. Do yourself a favor and try to test the game a little more before you buy it, cause I somehow doubt camera hotkeys were not the reason you didn't buy it. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On April 23 2011 04:33 Psycosquirrel wrote: I know you can set F5-F8 to camera locations, and I'm fairly sure you can switch those with the hero selectors (F1-F4), so I believe so. But you didn't get SC2 because you couldn't set camera hotkeys? Take a step back and evaluate how silly that is. Do yourself a favor and try to test the game a little more before you buy it, cause I somehow doubt camera hotkeys were not the reason you didn't buy it. They were a big part of it, yes. I played the beta and wasn't a fan of it at the time. Edit: Can somebody else confirm that you can have F1-F4 keys? | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On April 23 2011 04:41 Zapdos_Smithh wrote: They were a big part of it, yes. I played the beta and wasn't a fan of it at the time. Edit: Can somebody else confirm that you can have F1-F4 keys? You can rebind the camera locations to F1-F4 or whatever key you want: TAB, Q, W, E, R, T, etc. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On April 23 2011 04:47 Ropid wrote: You can rebind the camera locations to F1-F4 or whatever key you want: TAB, Q, W, E, R, T, etc. Awesome that's great to hear. Thanks so much. | ||
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Softboing
United States68 Posts
ControlGroupAppend5=Shift+ForwardMouseButton ControlGroupAppend6=Shift+BackMouseButton ControlGroupAssign5=Control+F ControlGroupAssign6=Control+G I think Append should match Assign, but if it's intended, would like to hear what it lets you do. | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
e.g. Group 1 is empty, you select a probe, press ctrl 1. Group 1 is now that probe. You select a different probe, press shift 1, and group 1 now consists of both probes. | ||
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SC2Joker
United States63 Posts
for example: say i want it bound to 3. when the game starts i can just hit 3 to go to it. | ||
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King of Blades
United States94 Posts
On April 23 2011 16:19 SC2Joker wrote: Does anyone know if its possible to have your nexus (or cc/hatch) already bound to a key right when the game starts? for example: say i want it bound to 3. when the game starts i can just hit 3 to go to it. Think before you ask, can I hotkey things before the game starts? Can you do anything before the game starts? No, you can't auto hotkey your nexus. | ||
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Shurafa
United States79 Posts
On April 23 2011 04:11 Fungal Growth wrote: I was so upset when Blizzard came out with their custom hotkey setup and forget to include the shift and ctrl in the group of keys that can be customizable However...I did rekey my OS'es keymapping so spacebar is my new shift. The thumb on the spacebar (for us righties) is logically a pivot key...it works so well in combination with other keys and it is a huge waste use it for message notifications (which are impractical to use anyways). With spacebar as my new shift queueing commands is sooo slick...especially because I'm on grid and a lot of what I want do is on qaz...with the old setup shift + qaz was such a huge pain because you would have to move your ring finger over to cover these keys while pinky held down shift. I would like to see Blizzard implement the option to change your Control and Shift keys. I think that they could work really well as two mouse buttons! Without having to setup control groups with a modifier key it will make taping selections much faster. | ||
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