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IVN
534 Posts
On March 23 2011 20:40 Mercury- wrote: So I guess when all the P players say that mech is fine vs P it really means mech needs huge buffs? Thats right. Mech needs a buff and bio needs a nerf. That way, there would be a reason to transition and not just mass MM all game long. | ||
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IVN
534 Posts
On March 23 2011 21:08 Redmark wrote: This is still the post that makes the most sense to me (despite the image quality). Are people saying that charging zealots should be immune to slow? That makes some sense. Other than that I have no idea what people want. I want exactly that!! Gate units are stronger when terra has none of his tech lab upgrades. You place down FFs, and crush him. Then terra gets stim, cs and shields for marines and is waaaaaaay more powerful than the gate army. So, one would expect, that when a toss gets his much more costly upgrades, that he would be able to fight against terra at leas on even ground. THats why charge should negate cs. | ||
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ZeRoMist
Canada16 Posts
also on a side not is it just me or does it feel like blizzards way of balancing the game just seem to be take away all protoss upgrades.i dont know could just be me but iam getting alittle sick of being forced into one tech route every game due to the fact its kinda the only way to stay alive. | ||
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SkCom
Canada229 Posts
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zJayy962
1363 Posts
On March 24 2011 09:40 ZeRoMist wrote: marrauder slow or not my zealots still dont hit atleast once and that what the upgrade was supposed to do. also on a side not is it just me or does it feel like blizzards way of balancing the game just seem to be take away all protoss upgrades.i dont know could just be me but iam getting alittle sick of being forced into one tech route every game due to the fact its kinda the only way to stay alive. Sadly Blizzard's choice has forced one specific tech route. But TBH once Protoss have both tech routes out in the late late game, there isnt much hope of winning against them. The most cost effective army in the whole game. Gateway units + HT + collo (at this point voidrays are optional). | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On March 24 2011 09:40 ZeRoMist wrote: marrauder slow or not my zealots still dont hit atleast once and that what the upgrade was supposed to do. also on a side not is it just me or does it feel like blizzards way of balancing the game just seem to be take away all protoss upgrades.i dont know could just be me but iam getting alittle sick of being forced into one tech route every game due to the fact its kinda the only way to stay alive. Mind elaborating? Everything I've tested shows that they hit a running target now, with the exception of stimmed slowing marauders. What was the situation you were in? Any extenuating circumstances? On March 24 2011 09:44 SkCom wrote: So the change to charge really didn't do much? I'm having a hard time understanding what they did, if the zealots still don't hit once then it's pretty much the same story as before init. I thought that this change was good along with the removal of the ht amulet, but it seems it isn't really working. With the exception of the poster above you, every person who has tested the change so far said they noticed they'd hit running targets that wouldn't have been hit before. I wouldn't throw the thread out on the first negative proclamation. There are also several differently worded explanations (one even had an image) within the first couple of pages describing the change. I suggest going back there and reading through to get the full picture. | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On March 23 2011 17:39 sleepingdog wrote: This doesn't make sense in the slightest. So I pay 200/200 for an upgrade and the result is, that my opponent can just...run away while taking exactly ZERO damage? Doesn't that sound retarded to you in the slightest? Especially if we compare it to stim+concussive chasing and killing basicly everything that is in range? No, because 200/200 isn't just to hit marauders. 1) You get a zealot speed upgrade which is always on, not just charge. 2) You get to pretty much get to melee range vs anything in the game for ALL races EXCEPT kiting stimmed marauders. | ||
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3578 Posts
Still, its a fair nerf to PvT lategame, and a buff to TvP early, which is somewhat in the right direction I still hate the whole gameflow though, i mean, you look at how awesome BW TvP is and you think they coulda taken a leaf out of that. BW T is super, super strong at 200/200 but you can use something called positioning and mobility to win games... In here its so nonexistant since positioning is WAY less important than your army size and armies are so mobile its just most favourable usually to engage in big balls Id like to see seige tanks get buffed but do more splash damage to friendly units. That would be pretty interesting | ||
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Zeiryuu
Philippines231 Posts
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IVN
534 Posts
On March 24 2011 02:17 Tracedragon wrote: So I wonder if making Concussive Shells cost 100/100 will fix the whole "zealot charge vs marauder conc" issue? Not even close. More like charge gives lots cs immunity. | ||
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Sleek
United States60 Posts
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Striding Strider
United Kingdom787 Posts
On March 24 2011 09:56 BrTarolg wrote: I still hate the whole gameflow though, i mean, you look at how awesome BW TvP is and you think they coulda taken a leaf out of that. BW T is super, super strong at 200/200 but you can use something called positioning and mobility to win games... In here its so nonexistant since positioning is WAY less important than your army size and armies are so mobile its just most favourable usually to engage in big balls Id like to see seige tanks get buffed but do more splash damage to friendly units. That would be pretty interesting SC1 Terran is not SC2 Terran. Protoss and Terran have switched roles in SC2, Terran has the better base units and Protoss has the tech advantage. You need to play it like that. Giving Terran BW tanks would be the craziest OP thing ever. People like to complain about the Collosus, but personally, the BW Terran deathball was far, far worse then anything Protoss has in SC2. | ||
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IVN
534 Posts
On March 24 2011 05:42 Zanez.smarty wrote: Really? I wasn't aware that concussive shells existed on every single unit the Terran made. When did they add concussive shells to siege tanks? When did they add concussive shells to marines? When did they add concussive shells to hellions? These are all units that I have replays showing my Chargelots MISSING their attacks against these units on the run. This won't happen anymore. BUFF. Charge is used on units besides Marauders... u know that right? And CS is used on all units...so whats you point? CS still >>>> charge although its 50/50 vs 200/200 | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On March 24 2011 10:12 Striding Strider wrote: SC1 Terran is not SC2 Terran. Protoss and Terran have switched roles in SC2, Terran has the better base units and Protoss has the tech advantage. You need to play it like that. Giving Terran BW tanks would be the craziest OP thing ever. People like to complain about the Collosus, but personally, the BW Terran deathball was far, far worse then anything Protoss has in SC2. not even close, positioning mattered and the terran deathball was immobile. | ||
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Striding Strider
United Kingdom787 Posts
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On March 24 2011 10:16 IVN wrote: And CS is used on all units...so whats you point? CS still >>>> charge although its 50/50 vs 200/200 Worst logic known to man, and then some. He is saying that not all units have concussive shells. Thus charge is still useful 100% vs 2 races and like vs 90% of the T units. The fact that CS hits all unit is irrelevant to this discussion, since we are talking only about charge, and how charge works. No one says get charge in every match up all the time 100% of the time. If you don't feel like 200/200 is worth the investment, don't do it. I guess all the top players that take charge were wrong and they will be even more wrong when they take this buffed charge lololol | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On March 24 2011 09:59 Zeiryuu wrote: So, I guess most of the guys here just misunderstood what blizzard stated in the patch notes. Basically, the first attack after the zealot charge will now always hit PROVIDED that the zealot reaches the enemy unit before that charge expires. At least someone can explain the change in plain english. How anyone thought that the buff meant anything else is beyond me. Blizzard's going to have to start releasing 15 megabyte text files to explain, in depth, every little balance change they make so that fools can understand what's going to happen. | ||
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IVN
534 Posts
On March 24 2011 09:27 zJayy962 wrote: Did he just say "awesome guardian shields"? Because GS is so hard to use. fixed. Most players dont use GS very well. In fact making GS cover all units isnt as easy, as most ppl think. In most battles lots are not covered by GS. So yes, a palyer that manages to cover all hi units with GS, while not wasting mana is doing "awesome guardian shields". And yes, its rarely close, but for the protoss. In most circumstances - just like Tester vs Losira - speedroaches with burrow just own gate units. | ||
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Wochtulka
Czech Republic66 Posts
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