EPTIs SC skill natural or trained? - Page 20
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seiplo
Sweden25 Posts
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Tortious_Tortoise
United States944 Posts
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On October 08 2011 04:40 seiplo wrote: id say both, theres too many people out there thinking they would be as good as nestea(just an example) if they would put in the same amount of time and i think thats a big load of crap I think you seriously underestimate the amount of time Nestea has put into RTS if you disagree with that statement though. | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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Qntc.YuMe
United States792 Posts
HOWEVER, its not just practice too. There are some people who have natural talent in the game based from prior experience of other games. Their mechanics and game sense still carries on to this game today. You could say there are some players who are naturally good at the game... and if they practice just as hard as that "bronze player who will hit master", they still be better than that player despite the same amount of practice time. Natural born player << 2 years of practice << result: really good nooby no RTS experience player << same amount of practice as natural born player << really good but NOT as good as the natural born player. The learning rate of natural skilled players will be higher than the nooby bronze player. But yes, its still possible for the bronze nooby player to get better than that natural skilled player.... by practicing more than him. The similarity shows among koreans. The top korean players you see have prior experience from brood war or warcraft 3. There are some foreign pro players (Who dont go same level as korean players) who have no RTS experience previously, yet they do good (But not to the same level obviously due to koreans practicing more). | ||
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seiplo
Sweden25 Posts
On October 08 2011 04:43 Offhand wrote: I think you seriously underestimate the amount of time Nestea has put into RTS if you disagree with that statement though. So what you are saying is that if you would play as much as he have you would be just as good? | ||
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seiplo
Sweden25 Posts
On October 08 2011 04:45 MockHamill wrote: Every skill is a combination of talent and practice. Do you seriously believe that if 1000 people practiced as much as Mozart they would be just as good? You said it much better than i did, thank you ^^.. in a perfect world everybody would be equally good/talented at everything but this is not the case. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On October 08 2011 04:45 MockHamill wrote: Every skill is a combination of talent and practice. Do you seriously believe that if 1000 people practiced as much as Mozart they would be just as good? You mean if you consistently practiced piano every day since the age of 4 until adulthood? Yes, I do think that. There's an understanding that Mozart was a child prodigy, so not everyone would pick it up at the same speed, but the same amount of training and practice could yield someone with similar musical ability. His ability to compose at he was a child is unique, but it should be noted that Mozart's most famous (and still performed) works were composed from about the age of 20 onward. Mozart's success can be framed entirely as a result of circumstance. He was born into a family of musicians. His father, the musician, dedicated a significant amount of time to teaching him music from the age of four. Mozart spent his entire life performing and composing. I think it's safe to say anyone who lived that life would have similar ability. On October 08 2011 04:51 seiplo wrote: So what you are saying is that if you would play as much as he have you would be just as good? Yes, just take care of all my financial obligations for the next ~10 years.  | ||
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jphj012
United States10 Posts
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
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VPCursed
1044 Posts
On October 08 2011 03:55 OhMyGawd wrote: Flash started winning at 15...that seems pretty natural talent made . Ye. flash is alll natural talent. He never had to work for what he accomplished. Despite all those interviews and what his teammates/coaches say about how he trains. no. its just talent. Sarcasm aside. He is along with jaedong most likely the hardest workers in the SC scene. | ||
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Hoodlum
United States350 Posts
On October 08 2011 04:40 seiplo wrote: id say both, theres too many people out there thinking they would be as good as nestea(just an example) if they would put in the same amount of time and i think thats a big load of crap Yes if people practiced as hard as nestea they would be as good as nestea the problem is that when Nestea practice for say 12 hours he plays (made up number here) 60 games where if a foriegner practices 12 hours they might play 30 games... again the amount of games isnt important its the proportion. White Ra said, about the red buill lan, that foreigners are lazy they play three games then they want to do other things like go smoke or eat or check teamliquid or watch vods but Koreans don't do that its game after game. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Lassepetri
Denmark112 Posts
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roymarthyup
1442 Posts
i barely practice. its all natural talent. a few games a week maybe i know a few silver leagers who practice and play all day and try their absolute hardest to improve and cant get out of silver. i got placed into masters weeks after i started playing | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
isn't it better not to believe in talent and take your future into your own hands, believing that if you work harder and better that you will be better no matter what? i can't see anyone taking a belief in talent over that, unless one doesn't want to get better | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On October 08 2011 05:25 roymarthyup wrote: im a high masters toss player. ive taken games off destiny and idra where they dont gg and sometimes rage at me i barely practice. its all natural talent. a few games a week maybe i know a few silver leagers who practice and play all day and try their absolute hardest to improve and cant get out of silver. i got placed into masters weeks after i started playing Honestly the difference between silver and high masters isn't as large as the skill difference between high masters and someone who consistently places in tournaments. There's lots of posters here who have taken a game off Idra or some other pro on ladder. That's doesn't mean they stand a chance in a Bo3 against any given pro player. I made it to diamond shortly after launch, and have less than 200 1v1's played total. It's completely meaningless to speculate how far "natural talent" will take you when you barely play. especially because once you start to practice anything extensively, you get a feel for what actually matters. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On October 08 2011 04:58 Offhand wrote: You mean if you consistently practiced piano every day since the age of 4 until adulthood? Yes, I do think that. There's an understanding that Mozart was a child prodigy, so not everyone would pick it up at the same speed, but the same amount of training and practice could yield someone with similar musical ability. His ability to compose at he was a child is unique, but it should be noted that Mozart's most famous (and still performed) works were composed from about the age of 20 onward. Mozart's success can be framed entirely as a result of circumstance. He was born into a family of musicians. His father, the musician, dedicated a significant amount of time to teaching him music from the age of four. Mozart spent his entire life performing and composing. I think it's safe to say anyone who lived that life would have similar ability. Yes, just take care of all my financial obligations for the next ~10 years. Is this a joke? Do you know anything about mozart? He was incredibly talented as a child, there is NO one that can match his talent. Don't pretend as if there aren't a lot of 4 year olds who practice a LOT but there has only been one Mozart. The fact that he was much better than a lot of older people who probably had 20x more practice in their lifetime compared to his should be enough proof. Starcraft is a game that relies on the mind, just as chess is and if you seriously believe that you could be as good as some child prodigies that have came out and played for 2 years in the span of 10 years you're kidding yourself. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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