Abilities that nullify micro - Good or bad? - Page 18

On March 20 2011 11:38 KhAlleB wrote:
i think the best idea is to make the sentry energi pool lower, because like every toss say, the early game all in/cheese would be really really really hard to deal with and you gonna see alot more 4 gate play since toss won't be able to fast or relativly soon expand. That mean if they reduce the energy pool, it will be less forcefield and even less with the GS. And for help the def for zerg against FF why no make the queen massif, that will make phoenix easier to deal with too

On March 20 2011 11:31 HoT wrote:
HONESTLY, maybe they wouldn't be such a problem if they didn't last 100years when you lay them, 3-5 seconds would be good, or give them recharge/cost more energy.

On March 20 2011 11:31 HoT wrote:
HONESTLY, maybe they wouldn't be such a problem if they didn't last 100years when you lay them, 3-5 seconds would be good, or give them recharge/cost more energy.

On March 20 2011 12:24 cLutZ wrote:
I don't see why this game has spurred such an incredibly intense debate. The better player won. The (arguably) BEST SCII player won. Also I don't know how FF became the focus of the debate, when it is (again arguably) weaker than FG (also why is Conc shells part of this? it takes micro to a whole new level).

In reality, Protoss has 2 ways to control where engagements are (FF, Storm), zerg has 1 (FG), Terran 0 (siege maybe) thus we are really only left with another example of how the races are different.

On March 20 2011 11:58 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Easiest way to "fix" the forcefield. Make overlapped forcefields negate each other. I hate to even give an example... but seriously, what is wrong with forcefields? It simply forces other tech to quash, just like everything else in this game.

Giving the forcefield health would be a disaster because of the units that it's meant to zone. Either it would have to have an inordinately huge amount of health, or little health and a bazillion armor... and neither would help vs a ball of marines. (unless it had thousands of HP and then it wouldn't even matter.

Adapt to it. Don't complain. Don't ask for horrendous balance changes because your favorite player lost.

On March 20 2011 12:28 happyness wrote:


LOL Are you trolling? FG is better than FF?!?!?

LOL

Also terran has concussive shells and stim, meaning the opponent can't retreat.

On March 20 2011 12:24 cLutZ wrote:
I don't see why this game has spurred such an incredibly intense debate. The better player won. The (arguably) BEST SCII player won. Also I don't know how FF became the focus of the debate, when it is (again arguably) weaker than FG (also why is Conc shells part of this? it takes micro to a whole new level).

In reality, Protoss has 2 ways to control where engagements are (FF, Storm), zerg has 1 (FG), Terran 0 (siege maybe) thus we are really only left with another example of how the races are different.

On March 20 2011 12:45 sushiman wrote:

FG is great if you have banelings and is fighting bio, and against some air units, not so much against anything else. Concussive shells are awesome, and extremely good for control - units can't retreat from marauders, melee can't come close. No idea what you're talking about there.

As for FF's - I don't find them imbalanced at all. They can be annoying, yes, but can be negated with baiting and proper spread. + Show Spoiler [GSL spoiler] +
Forcefields have been discussed to death since beta, and it always resurfaces now and then. But fact is protoss needs them for both defense and offense to get any use for their gateway units.

On March 20 2011 12:59 StateOfZerg wrote:
MC maybe more skilled of the two players in the finals. But being more skilled does not mean u totally drop an opponent into desperation. Clearly in many of MC's pushes july had no option of micro or retaliation. It makes alot of people angry because they start to notice that it is FF which comes out too early in the game, amass-able and abusive. Did u see the last game where pure sentries dissected a pure hydra drop by july? Sentries used by a skill player dissect armies in such a way that for the zerg or terran player, having a economy or larger army does not really matter because he can take minimal losses whilst slicing your army apart.

Being more skilled =/= total thrashing of another highly skilled player. The games have shown how abusive FF is and how much of the outcome of the game lying in the hands of protoss and not the zerg. I play random so I feel for both races when I say that forcefield needs a tweak. Also, dont give some BS about FF taking alot of skill to utilize. If u haven't tried BW blanket storms or dark swarm usage, then dont bother saying such stuff; just because you lack the skill to use FF properly doesn't mean others can't too.

On March 20 2011 13:04 Angra wrote:
Force fields, concussive shells and fungal growth are all absolutely awful for the game.

It's 99% of the reason why we see people massing up armies in their natural all game instead of moving around the map and engaging in skirmishes all over the place. If you push out and try to do any prodding at all before you have an economic advantage, you risk losing the entire game because of getting a portion of your units trapped by one of these 3 abilities.

Regardless of how "cool" Blizzard thinks they are, they make the game a million times more boring than it would be without them in the long run.

On March 20 2011 13:08 DoubleReed wrote:


Again, I fail to see how that is any different from getting surrounded with speedlings. These abilities let people punish mistakes much more. I see that as a good thing, especially as not only zerg can do it now.

On March 20 2011 13:17 Wolf wrote:
This is a silly discussion. When you see a ton of sentries, you avoid engaging them, or try to force the forcefields out early. The same goes for marauders. You just avoid engaging them if you don't have enough units to either win the battle or secure a retreat.. It's that simple. You just micromanage your units and decision-making before the forcefields, fungals, concussive shells.