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LetoAtreides82
United States1188 Posts
On March 19 2011 19:02 CosmicSpiral wrote: HuK can throw down forcefields with great precision, but his builds tend to be weaker on the macro side so he has less of everything for his pushes. Huk's forcefields are pretty good, but they're not at MC's level. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On March 20 2011 07:04 H0i wrote: Show me how to: - Engage a protoss army that has sentries without getting forcefielded - Engage infestors without getting fungal'ed - Engage marauders without being slowed (when playing vs pro's) So, no, these things are NOT avoidable. That's my whole problem with the mechanic. And yeah mc was better, but still, july didn't get a chance to show anything, because mc placed his forcefields so well. -Engage in open, retreat fast and often -split -Micro back (this one is less avoidable but also doesn't totally negate micro upon cast...slightly different than the other two I think). I just don't think we've seen someone play zerg like MC plays protoss. The potential is still there in units like banelings, and infestors, but MC is just much better than most zerg players. | ||
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
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H0i
Netherlands484 Posts
On March 20 2011 07:12 Gentleman7 wrote: -Engage in open, retreat fast and often -split -Micro back (this one is less avoidable but also doesn't totally negate micro upon cast...slightly different than the other two I think). I just don't think we've seen someone play zerg like MC plays protoss. The potential is still there in units like banelings, and infestors, but MC is just much better than most zerg players. Are you serious? Lol? Just look at some games, it's basically impossible to avoid these moves. Sure you can split but still you'll be hit, and when you attack all units bunch up. Even if you would make every unit attack individually it will still be easy to hit the units with ff/cs/fg. Maps don't have a lot of open space but if you look at the finals you'll see that MC used his ff's against july's units on many open spots (for example on shakuras). Besides that micro-ing back against CS is exactly what a terran wants you to do, because it will allow him to kill quite a large part of your army (the slowed units) for free, which costs you the game. But please don't forget this thread is about more than just MC vs July. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
The main difference in my opinion is that forcefield can be baited to waste sentry energy, and the fact that sentries are so gas heavy. I'm sorry but just because they're awesome doesn't mean they're imbalanced or really problematic. | ||
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Disarm22
United States151 Posts
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keioh
France1099 Posts
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freetgy
1720 Posts
On March 20 2011 07:33 Disarm22 wrote: Food for thought. What if funal growth lasted 15 seconds without damaging the enemy. Simply held them in their place unable to do anything while you had a field day picking apart their army and dancing in front of your opponent. This would be ridiculous. Similarly, constant FF's on a ramp is ridiculous. Defensively they are needed but offensivley, they completely negate micro and army positioning and reinforcements. how are you supposed to win as protoss without forcefields. Protoss sadly is balanced around that FF both in defense and offense Zerg is fast and can retreat Terran can stim and retreat Protoss can never retreat (most units are as fast as hydras off creep), if P goes out he has to be sure, that his base is safe, and that he judged the enemy army right, cause if not he has to have enough FF to hold himself or he just dies and loses the game. look at the other way around, terran defends easily with bunkers Zerg has the mobility to defend, protoss has to have enough FF to hope to defend long enough to get "strong" techunits (colossus) out. How is that balanced? It isn't, at least it isn't meant to be from what we see Blizzard wanted protoss to play out. | ||
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.kv
United States2332 Posts
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eloist
United States1017 Posts
On March 20 2011 07:35 keioh wrote: A funny idea here : no one ever thought about reducing the size of the FF ? I did  | ||
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SpinmovE
Canada119 Posts
If it took more then 1 FF to block a ramp protoss would be in a terrible position early game. | ||
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Radipon
United States47 Posts
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
Not being able to micro is stupid. | ||
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TheRabbi
Canada2 Posts
I just don't recall anybody having the amount of success with that ability that MC was able to have. If this is really a game breaker, then perhaps next season it will be more evident now that we see how it can be used to it's current maximum potential. One thing to remember, is that Starcraft has a huge MetaGame behind it. You can't make drastic changes to game mechanics, because you see a player of July's caliber get dominated in one best of 7. We need to relax just a little bit and let the MetaGame evolve before we can make any conclusive decisions on what really needs to be done. Being to hasty to make changes will ultimately dilute game play. I think everyone needs to relax right now, and just observe how the MetaGame unfolds over the next couple of months. | ||
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Av4st
Canada92 Posts
My suggestion: Make it so that you can't place forcefields in spots where a unit is already standing like with buildings. This means that the protoss can still block their ramp, and still somewhat use forcefields effectively in battle, but other races have a chance to nullify the strategies that are bad for the game like a protoss blocking the other player's ramp or cutting an army in half whenever they feel like it. | ||
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des0lar
Austria126 Posts
It's about Warp-In as well. Block enemy ramp + warp in your units at the enemies base and you have yourself a recipe for something crazy. Neither Terran nor Zerg can do something like that. Negate defenders advantage and abuse small chokepoints to cut armies and get free kills. | ||
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giuocob
United States149 Posts
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Attica
United States277 Posts
I also think 1 sentry being able to cast 4 forcefields is silly. The energy should be around 75. Each one lasting 15 seconds is very high as well. One sentry can lock down a ramp for a minute. How long does it take for a toss army to rape your natural. Games should be decided by peoples skill as well as their choices. If there's an ability that doesn't let skill or choice into consideration for the opposition then it is broken. I believe forcefield falls under that category. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Anyway I don't really care since forcefields will be kept anyway, maybe not the concussiv but any other ability will be better anyway and will get more tears. Btw stasis on your own units on a ramp ftw, with a recall follow up. Now thats a super sentry or also called mr arbiter for you. | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
Anyone who gets gold on psionic defense should be able to use forcefields to 80-90% efficency. The extra 10% good players use FF with does not make a world of difference, it's a problem at all levels of play for exactly the reason that it's effect's are not balanced with the skill to use it. FFs should last for less time and/or be attackable destructibles, that way with god micro units can break the ridiculous walls that are being imposed on them that they can otherwise do almost nothing about. | ||
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