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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
March 18 2011 14:02 GMT
#341
On March 18 2011 22:57 shwick wrote:
IdrA
mc julys bad mcs protoss

Omg Idra bm lol!

he manage to insult 2 players in 5 words


IdrA has talent
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
March 18 2011 14:04 GMT
#342
On March 18 2011 22:57 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 22:49 Jimbizzle wrote:
Why is that so hard to believe. ZvP is the hardest match up right now.


For Protoss, yeah, there is a timing at around 80-90 supply where zerg can just get 150 food from roach / ling / hydra - gl to any toss dealing with that with 90 supply.

GO GO July!!!



you say it like a 90 supply protoss army doesnt beat 150 supply zerg.



Because players like Idra, 150 supply zerg will mean 120 drones, yeah.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 18 2011 14:05 GMT
#343
i expect to see atleast 1 drone drill

plzzzzz
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
March 18 2011 14:09 GMT
#344
July, because he is more innovative^^
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
March 18 2011 14:10 GMT
#345
Heart is with july, mind is with MC. GOGO July :D
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
March 18 2011 14:11 GMT
#346
On March 18 2011 23:04 dunc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 22:57 turdburgler wrote:
On March 18 2011 22:49 Jimbizzle wrote:
Why is that so hard to believe. ZvP is the hardest match up right now.


For Protoss, yeah, there is a timing at around 80-90 supply where zerg can just get 150 food from roach / ling / hydra - gl to any toss dealing with that with 90 supply.

GO GO July!!!



you say it like a 90 supply protoss army doesnt beat 150 supply zerg.



Because players like Idra, 150 supply zerg will mean 120 drones, yeah.


Lol? It will mean 60/70 drones, 80 at max. That leaves 120 supply left in the least for army. Which is 60 zerg units ( roach, hydra, corruptor, muta or infestor ).

Stop generalizing please.
Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
March 18 2011 14:21 GMT
#347
July will win because he is going to school MC in mental play just like he did to Best.
"Alán Shore" and "August Terran" @ LoL EUW - liquidparty
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
March 18 2011 14:21 GMT
#348
4-0 July-MC will be the biggest and best possible outcome for me(Anti-climax is always interesting), also rofl @ everyone's comments about ''well uhm he is protoss so, nice try Julyzerg but no''. Wait and see people, wait and see, July going to upset some people oldschool style.
WriterXiao8~~
Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 14:33:52
March 18 2011 14:28 GMT
#349
MC will win

Also:

Bad
MC, Protoss


^Sums up all the zergs qqing about PvZ.

And i just noticed Idra comment.... i don't think anyone can BM like that guy, and he didn't even lost a match to make him say that :0
A good strategy means leaving your opponent room to make mistakes
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 14:44:19
March 18 2011 14:31 GMT
#350
Some other pro's thoughts about the finals:

IMNestea
Q: Every Zerg that reached the finals so far has won. What are your thoughts about July's chances?
A: July's situation is tougher than when FruitDealer and I went to the finals. After looking at the maps I would rate July's chances at 3 : 7, but I have trust in his experience and unpredictability.

TSL.FruitDealer
I hope July does not stress himself out while training, and have trust in his macromanagement skills. I know that it's very easy to get stressed out while training. It will be extremely hard to win, and I hope he comes to the finals as relaxed as possible.

MVP.Genious
I think oGsMC will win, although I hope he doesn't because then it will take that much longer to take the Protoss number 1 spot from him. I can help with July's training if he wants me to.

SOURCE
in a state of trance
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
March 18 2011 14:32 GMT
#351
On March 18 2011 23:11 Chaosvuistje wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 23:04 dunc wrote:
On March 18 2011 22:57 turdburgler wrote:
On March 18 2011 22:49 Jimbizzle wrote:
Why is that so hard to believe. ZvP is the hardest match up right now.


For Protoss, yeah, there is a timing at around 80-90 supply where zerg can just get 150 food from roach / ling / hydra - gl to any toss dealing with that with 90 supply.

GO GO July!!!



you say it like a 90 supply protoss army doesnt beat 150 supply zerg.



Because players like Idra, 150 supply zerg will mean 120 drones, yeah.


Lol? It will mean 60/70 drones, 80 at max. That leaves 120 supply left in the least for army. Which is 60 zerg units ( roach, hydra, corruptor, muta or infestor ).

Stop generalizing please.


I think the statement was a bit tongue and cheek. Point still stands. Zerg's advantage feels like it's around that 7-10 or 8-12 minute mark before toss has much of a ball and a zerg can flood roaches to discourage any movement out. (ofc ability to apply counterpressure can be difficult)
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Beastyqt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Serbia516 Posts
March 18 2011 14:37 GMT
#352
MC will win because he's better and is protoss. From 99% of games I saw of July he's baneling busting every terran (aka "aggressive" play called allin in my world), so I'd guess he will do at least one 6pool, maybe 1 macro game and rest will be ling/roach "aggression", but since MC is better he might drop one or two games but either way 4-1 or 4-2 for MC
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Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 14:41:08
March 18 2011 14:40 GMT
#353
Surprisingly little mention of the fact that MC is just a better player than July at the moment, regardless of race. It's sad that if MC stomps July it'll be called Protoss imba while if July wins he'll be proclaimed a God, just like Fruitdealer.
I think esports is pretty nice.
alepov
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands1132 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 14:43:25
March 18 2011 14:42 GMT
#354
On March 18 2011 23:02 fabiano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 22:57 shwick wrote:
IdrA
mc julys bad mcs protoss

Omg Idra bm lol!

he manage to insult 2 players in 5 words


IdrA has talent

didnt really insult mc though :p
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
j3i
Profile Joined February 2011
United States357 Posts
March 18 2011 14:42 GMT
#355
I wouldn't count July out since he almost always dictates the pace of the match. But he goes overboard sometimes (and he will) and MC punishes over-aggression hard.

Either way, these will be fun games to watch. I'd rather see an aggressive zerg that can play mindgames. Most other zergs are boring as hell.
I am an idiot who knows only about gaming, so there is nothing private to talk about to begin with. - Bisu
Ksyper
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Bulgaria665 Posts
March 18 2011 14:43 GMT
#356
Rofl people saying July sucks :D
People that aren't even in the GSL say July sucks :D
July plays to win that's why he does all those baneling busts and other weird stuff that people think is bad, but if it was bad why did he make it to the finals?
IdrA made this macro heavy style popular, but zerg can be aggressive in SC2, even on the very highest level.
But MC crushed July before so I think he'll do it again.
I'm still hoping that July thinks of something awesome to destroy MC it would be the greatest GSL final ever.
Go July!
j3i
Profile Joined February 2011
United States357 Posts
March 18 2011 14:49 GMT
#357
On March 18 2011 22:31 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 22:29 Frankon wrote:
MInd says MC.
Heart says July.

When July wins i want to see Idra and his "July is bad. He doesnt macro as good as I"


lol we've seen plenty of games where idra gets his "macro style game" and still loses lol so he needs to drop the "I'm the worlds best macroer" because he clearly isn't. I've seen him float thousands of minerals in his so called "macro game" lol


Probably because he's already maxed and you need to float those minerals to remax quickly
I am an idiot who knows only about gaming, so there is nothing private to talk about to begin with. - Bisu
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 14:59:46
March 18 2011 14:55 GMT
#358
The first season July tried out he failed first round in the qualifiers, and commented later that this was the point he tried to start learning sc2 for sc2, but I still be a lot of weird stuff in his play because of his bw background.

ZvP is very hard right now, so this will make it much harder for July to win, plus MC is a brutally good player.

The thing that suprises me about how people are receiving July is they seem to think he is a one trick pony, which is the opposite. Artosis sounds the way he does when July does something odd because he knows July can do anything. He can Idra style macro, he can cheese, he can play aggressively or passively. That is, his style is that he has no style, and you cannot predict what he will do. As soon as someone starts thinking he can only play 1 way they have already lost. With that said, July is a big time underdog, but i believe the only thing standing between him and victory is motivation.

I should add that July has only done blind cheese 2 of his games this seasongame 2 v MVP and the 6 pool, everything else as been reactionary play. Vs NaDa he got preasured by a bunker attack, then NaDa double expanded behind a wall with a few marines, a baneling bust as a reaction to this greedy play is the right call. Other than the two games i mentioned they have either been straight up macro play or reactionary aggression.

Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
March 18 2011 14:55 GMT
#359
On March 18 2011 23:32 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 23:11 Chaosvuistje wrote:
On March 18 2011 23:04 dunc wrote:
On March 18 2011 22:57 turdburgler wrote:
On March 18 2011 22:49 Jimbizzle wrote:
Why is that so hard to believe. ZvP is the hardest match up right now.


For Protoss, yeah, there is a timing at around 80-90 supply where zerg can just get 150 food from roach / ling / hydra - gl to any toss dealing with that with 90 supply.

GO GO July!!!



you say it like a 90 supply protoss army doesnt beat 150 supply zerg.



Because players like Idra, 150 supply zerg will mean 120 drones, yeah.


Lol? It will mean 60/70 drones, 80 at max. That leaves 120 supply left in the least for army. Which is 60 zerg units ( roach, hydra, corruptor, muta or infestor ).

Stop generalizing please.


I think the statement was a bit tongue and cheek. Point still stands. Zerg's advantage feels like it's around that 7-10 or 8-12 minute mark before toss has much of a ball and a zerg can flood roaches to discourage any movement out. (ofc ability to apply counterpressure can be difficult)


Here's the thing though, protoss doesn't HAVE to win around 7 or 10 minutes. Whereas zerg in the midgame needs to have chipped away a fair deal from the protoss forces to be on even footing for the lategame. If a protoss simcities well and turtles on 3 bases, making sure to not be caught off guard by drops or silly tech switches, zerg has no chance in hell to break the protoss.

A zerg on 5 bases is just as lethal to a protoss as a zerg on 3 bases, maybe even less lethal considering less army goes to supply. But due to the protosses immense defenders advantage ( and toss has more incitive to , 200/200 protoss army IS the most costefficient army there is hands down.) zerg has no bussiness taking on the army unless it actually moves out of the base.

Combined this with the fact that MC is a pretty damn fine macro-player, I believe we will see july attack in the midgame, but MC defending amazingly, and eventually crushing through july's tattered economy.

TL DR;
Zerg has to win in the early or midgame, protoss doesn't need to win in the early or midgame. July always attacks in the midgame; MC defends and wins.
iG.Zeep
Profile Joined May 2008
Mexico253 Posts
March 18 2011 15:03 GMT
#360
On March 18 2011 23:40 Saechiis wrote:
Surprisingly little mention of the fact that MC is just a better player than July at the moment, regardless of race. It's sad that if MC stomps July it'll be called Protoss imba while if July wins he'll be proclaimed a God, just like Fruitdealer.


He's already a God...

July gonna show all u lamos whos boss~
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