EPTNASL: Koreans? Top Koreans? - Page 97
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
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chonkyfire
United States451 Posts
On March 18 2011 02:36 raf3776 wrote: The only players that I can actually "STOMPING" all the foreigners would be MC, MVP (when he plays good), and nestea. Everyone else I cant picture posting consistent results against the top foreigners. None are that consistent yet besides those 3 and even 2 of them are in a slump right now. up and down spoiler + Show Spoiler + Okay you say this but you don't even mention the fact that MVP just got knocked into code A. So one of the players that would stomp the foreign scene isn't even a code S player anymore at the moment.. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On March 18 2011 02:51 chonkyfire wrote: up and down spoiler + Show Spoiler + Okay you say this but you don't even mention the fact that MVP just got knocked into code A. So one of the players that would stomp the foreign scene isn't even a code S player anymore at the moment.. + Show Spoiler + He specifically stated "when he plays good" and then goes on to mention two (not MC, since he's in the finals) are in a slump. When MVP plays good, he's pretty damn unstoppable. He may have been figured out a bit more now, but I wouldn't doubt that he can become a pretty strong force if he's motivated by dropping out of code S. | ||
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Salvarias
Denmark231 Posts
On March 18 2011 02:41 JinDesu wrote: You know, after seeing the interview vids of Startales and oGs, and seeing them put the effort to speak english, however broken, and to thank us foreign fans for watching them, and to name a rival (Zenio, you go gun after IdrA :D)... I would think it would be immensely disrespectful to not invite them at all. I would also imagine it would be disrespectful to invite the weaker ones only as well. not to mention it would be quite offending it exlude them all together just cause they are koreans, im not sure they would see it as a "none racism" thing if it was to be the case, but maybe that's just me, I think it will have a very bad impact on esport in general if you begin to exlusively exluding the koreans from tournaments, but I know most people don't think about concicvensed when they write on the interwebs  | ||
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Kallen
United States48 Posts
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
If they don't invite Julyzerg, I will go on a rampage. The guy makes Gandhi look like a warmonger. He is so happy and peaceful. | ||
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chonkyfire
United States451 Posts
On March 18 2011 02:54 JinDesu wrote: + Show Spoiler + He specifically stated "when he plays good" and then goes on to mention two (not MC, since he's in the finals) are in a slump. When MVP plays good, he's pretty damn unstoppable. He may have been figured out a bit more now, but I wouldn't doubt that he can become a pretty strong force if he's motivated by dropping out of code S. I agree with you, the point was though that there is a lot of very solid korean players | ||
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applejuice
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Such a rule, by the way, would have been pretty cool, and would have worked I think. Harder for europeans, etc., but you have to be in NA for MLG anyway, so anybody who is actually a serious pro gamer would just move to NA. However, arbitrary rules designed to limit the number of Koreans should NOT be accepted here on teamliquid. Otherwise, I think GSL should limit the number of foreigners allowed to play in the GSL. Too bad only 2 are in it. But, hey, there were about 20 they tried, so they should have capped the qualification round to 5. :D Edit: lag obviously doesn't have a huge affect anyway. HuK has no problem winning on all 3 ladders, for example. And some pros who aren't in Korea, play on the Korean server. I've played on NA and Euro, and I can't say I really noticed much of a lag difference. | ||
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KoshkaTV
United States430 Posts
Like the GSL was before season 4. Everyone loved that! No political BS.... invites... no bias.... Winners stay.. losers go. | ||
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KoshkaTV
United States430 Posts
On March 18 2011 02:59 Dalavita wrote: Has there been any decisions on this matter yet by NASL, or is it still up for discussion? If they don't invite Julyzerg, I will go on a rampage. The guy makes Gandhi look like a warmonger. He is so happy and peaceful. I'll join in... no Julyzerg ... i'm definitely not watching... and i'm forever trolling the NASL. Same for MC. If you have the two top players wanting in... they're in.... or else the "contest" is a sham | ||
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Zorkmid
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On March 18 2011 03:25 Zorkmid wrote: The only way to eliminate bias 100% is to have a massive series of open qualifiers. Might end up with some unknowns. Sort of like the world series of poker EG members don't do very well in qualifiers | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On March 18 2011 02:59 Dalavita wrote: Has there been any decisions on this matter yet by NASL, or is it still up for discussion As has been stated many times in this thread, the NASL will start to announce players on the 22nd. | ||
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VeNoM HaZ Skill
United States1528 Posts
So basically what I'm saying, is playing in our own exclusive league won't help. If you care about the players and want to see their skills used to the max,then pair them with Koreans. Inn a game that's all about new strategies, Koreans are always on the front-line figuring out everything way in advance. So having Koreans would also serve to close the gap between both scenes. If we stick to isolation, it will be BW all over again: everyone will play to be the best in their country, knowing that no matter what, they will get roflstomped by Koreans. Also look at the training house effect. Look at Oov. He was good on his own, and then with training and guidance from Boxer(was the best, still pretty good during Oov's time) and the rest of SKT he became the best player of his time. So how can our potential stars ever reach their full potential without learning from the best? | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On March 17 2011 22:46 avilo wrote: Holy shit. How hard is this for you and people to understand? It's not about race. Why the hell would big companies want to put fucktons of money to a niche thing in the USA if people in the USA end up not interested in said niche thing? Some people here live in this exciting dream world of the future of e-sports where everything and everyone has rainbows shooting out of their asses. It's not about race, it's about viewability in North America. Does the average american slob want to turn on their TV and watch football on ESPN, or would they rather turn on ESPN and watch "random asian dudes own white guys." The answer is very obvious there. People need to stop saying there is racism involved. It's called starting a business. Now, I am in agreement that the best players should play, but if that were the case as I mentioned before, they would have done completely un-biased qualifiers where the best players will earn their way in. As is, they are hand picking 50 people. You have to be one of those lucky few ordained into the tournament, whether you are GSL champ, or anyone else. There has to be something established in North America with long term viability and viewability, and that ideally attracts big business people. People posting here are not getting the point. I'm not racist. And you are not racist. But the average viewer that will ever possibly tune into this type of niche thing, assuming anyone ever wants SC on TV in North America, well...they may not be racist, but they also will be entirely uninterested if it's a "circle jerk" of koreans owning up the league 24/7, or a "circle jerk" of auto-invited in-crowders. I think that's what people are not really getting here...of course all of us on teamliquid would watch the NASL no matter what, but the NASL isn't about getting us to watch - we're all already probably going to. It's about getting NA viewers to want to watch. I dont understand how you even think an average American slob as you put it will being watching the nasl. It is targetted at the Starcraft community first and foremost. Also your acting like every single matchup is going to be against a korean. I also don't understand how you think having Koreans will be any different than having Europeans who are from a different culture except purely based on the way they look. It's mostly going to be about the games anyways especially during the online portion wich is where 90% of the content is coming from. If people choose to watch starcraft the main thing that is going to pull them in is the excitement of the games. Seeing your favorite north American or korean player duke it out. I don't understand where you are coming from at all this isn't 30 years ago north america is so culturally diverse no one except for rednecks is going to have a problem with people from Asia competing in a starleague that is supposed to attract the best players the main thing that is going to draw in audiences is the best possible games is going to start with the starcraft community and go from there. The same people that watch and love the gsl are going to watch and love the nasl. If the nasl pulled In anywhere near the number of viewers that the gsl does in north America it would be considered a success. That's why I don't see where you are coming from at all they aren't targeting the Joe six packs of America they are targeting a pre established community that can help starcraft grow. | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
On March 18 2011 03:07 chonkyfire wrote: I agree with you, the point was though that there is a lot of very solid korean players There are a lot of solid players but theres no way that they would go undefeated or close to it with the best players outside of korea. Especially with latency and its not a LAN setting so players are less nervous. | ||
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underdawg
United States399 Posts
On March 18 2011 04:12 raf3776 wrote: There are a lot of solid players but theres no way that they would go undefeated or close to it with the best players outside of korea. Especially with latency and its not a LAN setting so players are less nervous. regardless of who would win, don't you want to watch that? i sure do. enough speculation, nasl make it happen | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On March 18 2011 02:49 Ownos wrote: I find it funny that this league takes flak for limiting participation, when another tournament (Rakaka Intel) invites only Swedish players and not a word is said. Make it a LAN only league IMO! Go watch GSL if you want to see Koreans play. Swedish only league is fine I don't think you would see as much flak or at least not for the same reasons if thetly wanted to make it an NA only league but if they invite players from all over the world except Korea its a different story. Alot of people think it is discriminatory and right now Korea is doing a great job to try and include foreigners into their league so if it's not an NA only league I think alot of people would take offense to no Korean invites. That said the nasl has stated that some koreans will be invited either way we just need to wait and see how many and who they decide on | ||
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