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i dont understand ...
What matchup do you believe will have a better viewability :
A) Avilio vs pokebunny or B) Idra Vs Ensnare / Zenio ?
A) root 5th guy vs VTT 5th guy or B) July VS Nada ?
seriously anyone with a striaght face can say he preffer A ? cause banning koreans means exectly that.
take any sport ... how many people watch the second league ?
when the last time you heared "no i refuse to watch barca vs real Madrid . there are too many foreiners .... its really hurt my eye to see maci and ronaldo they are not spanish!"
no league worth anything without striving to be the best , and having the best play in them .
Esport will never be worth anything unless it strive and push people to be proffesional and have the best playing thier best , cater to medicore is the oposit of sport .
the moments you need for magic to happen is best player getting thier moves that only they can.
if MJ would be prevented to play because he is too good or his skin color , the nba would not be where it is today.
now that said ,
like all sport in countrys where the imported players are better then the local ones there need to be a safty net to allow locals a chance , but that not equal of allowing locals to be medicore!
its usually something like 40% of the team need to be local -> 20 koreans rest "the world" is what come out from those numbers. this will keep competition level high , while having "forieners" a spot to showcase themself.
they still need to beat koreans in order to be champions , they will still need to strive to be more proffesional in order to do that and have high level skill.
but thats exactly what you want ,
and the story of success will be exactly the magic moments that SC2 will need to be BIG.
otherwise it will exactly like the champion of the second league in england three years ago ,
no one will remmeber.
i am not sure when SC2 will be on television ,
but before that happen top players will have to live the dream and be full proffesionals.
no one watch ANYTHING that people do halfheart .
its not easy for sure m but its been done before,
in any sport begining , in korea .
learn from others.
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On March 17 2011 23:07 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 22:46 avilo wrote:
It's not about race, it's about viewability in North America. Does the average american slob want to turn on their TV and watch football on ESPN, or would they rather turn on ESPN and watch "random asian dudes own white guys." The answer is very obvious there.
First off, I don't understand the argument that says "it's not about race, but white guys don't want to see Asians beat white people". Second of all, SC2 doesn't really have viewability for the average american. Lastly, lots of people and attend and watch the LPGA tour, which is largely "random Asian chicks own white chicks". Latin Americans dominate Major League Baseball, the Negro Leagues are long gone. Some of the best NBA players have European roots. Arguable the best player in the NHL is Russian. There are similar examples in popular sports and entertainment in North America that you can figure out yourself. You're correct that Americans don't care about race. They want to see the best. To me, any argument that argues the logic of excluding "Koreans" goes against this.
It's about Fans. Yes international people are prominent in many sports but those sports are played in the country where the fans are. Where fans can go see them and meet them and talk to them. The players need to be part of NASL and MLG - physical events - where Fans can follow them and see them.
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On March 17 2011 23:46 haflo wrote:
i dont understand ...
What matchup do you believe will have a better viewability :
A) Avilio vs pokebunny or B) Idra Vs Ensnare / Zenio ?
A) root 5th guy vs VTT 5th guy or B) July VS Nada ?
seriously anyone with a striaght face can say he preffer A ? cause banning koreans means exectly that.
take any sport ... how many people watch the second league ?
when the last time you heared "no i refuse to watch barca vs real Madrid . there are too many foreiners .... its really hurt my eye to see maci and ronaldo they are not spanish!"
no league worth anything without striving to be the best , and having the best play in them .
Esport will never be worth anything unless it strive and push people to be proffesional and have the best playing thier best , cater to medicore is the oposit of sport .
the moments you need for magic to happen is best player getting thier moves that only they can.
if MJ would be prevented to play because he is too good or his skin color , the nba would not be where it is today.
now that said ,
like all sport in countrys where the imported players are better then the local ones there need to be a safty net to allow locals a chance , but that not equal of allowing locals to be medicore!
its usually something like 40% of the team need to be local -> 20 koreans rest "the world" is what come out from those numbers. this will keep competition level high , while having "forieners" a spot to showcase themself.
they still need to beat koreans in order to be champions , they will still need to strive to be more proffesional in order to do that and have high level skill.
but thats exactly what you want ,
and the story of success will be exactly the magic moments that SC2 will need to be BIG.
otherwise it will exactly like the champion of the second league in england three years ago ,
no one will remmeber.
i am not sure when SC2 will be on television ,
but before that happen top players will have to live the dream and be full proffesionals.
no one watch ANYTHING that people do halfheart .
its not easy for sure m but its been done before,
in any sport begining , in korea .
learn from others.
I would choose A. I don't know who ensnare or zenio are but I've seen Avilo at MLG and I'm familiar with Pokebunny and I see them on the Top 200 lists. I don't stay up to watch the GSL and I don't know the players. Sometimes I even go to watch the local AAA baseball team instead of watching the MLB on TV.
Edit: I'd also note that it doesn't seem to me the MLG events are any less exciting and fun to attend because there aren't any Korean players there.
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On March 17 2011 23:50 Thorantham wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 23:07 Zorkmid wrote:On March 17 2011 22:46 avilo wrote:
It's not about race, it's about viewability in North America. Does the average american slob want to turn on their TV and watch football on ESPN, or would they rather turn on ESPN and watch "random asian dudes own white guys." The answer is very obvious there.
First off, I don't understand the argument that says "it's not about race, but white guys don't want to see Asians beat white people". Second of all, SC2 doesn't really have viewability for the average american. Lastly, lots of people and attend and watch the LPGA tour, which is largely "random Asian chicks own white chicks". Latin Americans dominate Major League Baseball, the Negro Leagues are long gone. Some of the best NBA players have European roots. Arguable the best player in the NHL is Russian. There are similar examples in popular sports and entertainment in North America that you can figure out yourself. You're correct that Americans don't care about race. They want to see the best. To me, any argument that argues the logic of excluding "Koreans" goes against this. It's about Fans. Yes international people are prominent in many sports but those sports are played in the country where the fans are. Where fans can go see them and meet them and talk to them. The players need to be part of NASL and MLG - physical events - where Fans can follow them and see them.
1. There are fans of SC2 in Korea and NA and Europe. Not sure what your point was.
2. I've never met or talked to an NFL player, no effect on my love for the game. Close friend in the NHL, no effect on my love for hockey.
3. Most of the NASL is online, and thus not really a physical event in the sense you seem to mean.
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On March 17 2011 23:46 haflo wrote:
i dont understand ...
What matchup do you believe will have a better viewability :
A) Avilio vs pokebunny or B) Idra Vs Ensnare / Zenio ?
A) root 5th guy vs VTT 5th guy or B) July VS Nada ?
seriously anyone with a striaght face can say he preffer A ? cause banning koreans means exectly that.
take any sport ... how many people watch the second league ?
when the last time you heared "no i refuse to watch barca vs real Madrid . there are too many foreiners .... its really hurt my eye to see maci and ronaldo they are not spanish!"
no league worth anything without striving to be the best , and having the best play in them .
Esport will never be worth anything unless it strive and push people to be proffesional and have the best playing thier best , cater to medicore is the oposit of sport .
the moments you need for magic to happen is best player getting thier moves that only they can.
if MJ would be prevented to play because he is too good or his skin color , the nba would not be where it is today.
now that said ,
like all sport in countrys where the imported players are better then the local ones there need to be a safty net to allow locals a chance , but that not equal of allowing locals to be medicore!
its usually something like 40% of the team need to be local -> 20 koreans rest "the world" is what come out from those numbers. this will keep competition level high , while having "forieners" a spot to showcase themself.
they still need to beat koreans in order to be champions , they will still need to strive to be more proffesional in order to do that and have high level skill.
but thats exactly what you want ,
and the story of success will be exactly the magic moments that SC2 will need to be BIG.
otherwise it will exactly like the champion of the second league in england three years ago ,
no one will remmeber.
i am not sure when SC2 will be on television ,
but before that happen top players will have to live the dream and be full proffesionals.
no one watch ANYTHING that people do halfheart .
its not easy for sure m but its been done before,
in any sport begining , in korea .
learn from others.
i take NaDa vs Kas
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I would choose A. I don't know who ensnare or zenio are but I've seen Avilo at MLG and I'm familiar with Pokebunny and I see them on the Top 200 lists. I don't stay up to watch the GSL and I don't know the players. Sometimes I even go to watch the local AAA baseball team instead of watching the MLB on TV.
Rating of AAA baseball team against the rating of the MLB will show that you are in a minority
in your opinion , which i respect dearly , but NASL would be wise not to cater to you.
*explanation of the matches
Zenio and Ensnare have past history of rivery with Idra , which will make a revenge game very interesting drama wise.
**if you are truly an Esport fan i advice you to watch a reccommended game from a gsl and tell me what you think of it . first set of the matches are free your life wont be the same 
MC vs Jinro from S4 comes to my mind just for the foriener vs korean theme (and <3 jinro)
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On March 17 2011 23:57 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 23:46 haflo wrote:
i dont understand ...
What matchup do you believe will have a better viewability :
A) Avilio vs pokebunny or B) Idra Vs Ensnare / Zenio ?
A) root 5th guy vs VTT 5th guy or B) July VS Nada ?
seriously anyone with a striaght face can say he preffer A ? cause banning koreans means exectly that.
take any sport ... how many people watch the second league ?
when the last time you heared "no i refuse to watch barca vs real Madrid . there are too many foreiners .... its really hurt my eye to see maci and ronaldo they are not spanish!"
no league worth anything without striving to be the best , and having the best play in them .
Esport will never be worth anything unless it strive and push people to be proffesional and have the best playing thier best , cater to medicore is the oposit of sport .
the moments you need for magic to happen is best player getting thier moves that only they can.
if MJ would be prevented to play because he is too good or his skin color , the nba would not be where it is today.
now that said ,
like all sport in countrys where the imported players are better then the local ones there need to be a safty net to allow locals a chance , but that not equal of allowing locals to be medicore!
its usually something like 40% of the team need to be local -> 20 koreans rest "the world" is what come out from those numbers. this will keep competition level high , while having "forieners" a spot to showcase themself.
they still need to beat koreans in order to be champions , they will still need to strive to be more proffesional in order to do that and have high level skill.
but thats exactly what you want ,
and the story of success will be exactly the magic moments that SC2 will need to be BIG.
otherwise it will exactly like the champion of the second league in england three years ago ,
no one will remmeber.
i am not sure when SC2 will be on television ,
but before that happen top players will have to live the dream and be full proffesionals.
no one watch ANYTHING that people do halfheart .
its not easy for sure m but its been done before,
in any sport begining , in korea .
learn from others.
i take NaDa vs Kas
NaDa v Kas would be epic. Though if region limits arent placed upon players then we will have certain issues such as as no Kas since all the "best" players, judging from IEM would end up being from Korea for the most part :/
Setting space limits on how many ppl from each region can take part is IMO best. I want to see Tyler play MC and Jinro play White-Ra.
But then again availability for finals will rule out a lot of GSL players by default since from RO16 (RO8? Can't remember exactly) + the players need to be in California and play locally instead of online. The LAN portion of NASL probably takes place during some portion of the GSL so evergreen performers like MC and Jinro will probably take their chances with GSL over NASL if they need to choose.
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btw guys we're also playing into Avilo's hand where NASL bigwigs will think we (the viewers) hate him/want to see him lose because of all the blah blah he said in this 95 page and ongoing thread and thus they will give him a spot on the NASL.
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On March 18 2011 00:06 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 23:57 DiaBoLuS wrote:On March 17 2011 23:46 haflo wrote:
i dont understand ...
What matchup do you believe will have a better viewability :
A) Avilio vs pokebunny or B) Idra Vs Ensnare / Zenio ?
A) root 5th guy vs VTT 5th guy or B) July VS Nada ?
seriously anyone with a striaght face can say he preffer A ? cause banning koreans means exectly that.
take any sport ... how many people watch the second league ?
when the last time you heared "no i refuse to watch barca vs real Madrid . there are too many foreiners .... its really hurt my eye to see maci and ronaldo they are not spanish!"
no league worth anything without striving to be the best , and having the best play in them .
Esport will never be worth anything unless it strive and push people to be proffesional and have the best playing thier best , cater to medicore is the oposit of sport .
the moments you need for magic to happen is best player getting thier moves that only they can.
if MJ would be prevented to play because he is too good or his skin color , the nba would not be where it is today.
now that said ,
like all sport in countrys where the imported players are better then the local ones there need to be a safty net to allow locals a chance , but that not equal of allowing locals to be medicore!
its usually something like 40% of the team need to be local -> 20 koreans rest "the world" is what come out from those numbers. this will keep competition level high , while having "forieners" a spot to showcase themself.
they still need to beat koreans in order to be champions , they will still need to strive to be more proffesional in order to do that and have high level skill.
but thats exactly what you want ,
and the story of success will be exactly the magic moments that SC2 will need to be BIG.
otherwise it will exactly like the champion of the second league in england three years ago ,
no one will remmeber.
i am not sure when SC2 will be on television ,
but before that happen top players will have to live the dream and be full proffesionals.
no one watch ANYTHING that people do halfheart .
its not easy for sure m but its been done before,
in any sport begining , in korea .
learn from others.
i take NaDa vs Kas NaDa v Kas would be epic. Though if region limits arent placed upon players then we will have certain issues such as as no Kas since all the "best" players, judging from IEM would end up being from Korea for the most part :/ Setting space limits on how many ppl from each region can take part is IMO best. I want to see Tyler play MC and Jinro play White-Ra. But then again availability for finals will rule out a lot of GSL players by default since from RO16 (RO8? Can't remember exactly) + the players need to be in California and play locally instead of online. The LAN portion of NASL probably takes place during some portion of the GSL so evergreen performers like MC and Jinro will probably take their chances with GSL over NASL if they need to choose.
Is there any information on the prize pool for NASL? If the prize pool was the same as GSL, do you think that Jinro for example would participate in GSL over the NASL given that he would have a much higher chances of winning in the NASL wouldn't he?
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On March 18 2011 00:08 Bart wrote:
btw guys we're also playing into Avilo's hand where NASL bigwigs will think we (the viewers) hate him/want to see him lose because of all the blah blah he said in this 95 page and ongoing thread and thus they will give him a spot on the NASL.
I don't think that the NASL bigwigs are going to include these types of players and even if they did CombatEX would top that particular list  .
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For now, I think I'd be hyped if there were no Koreans or if they were a lot. The only real downside is if the Koreans just totally outclass the foreigners, that's the only situation where the league would not be as appealing to me.
I want to see some team competition too! I think we definitely got enough teams for a champions league kind of setup. Maybe one day there could be more domestic team leagues as well.
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On March 17 2011 23:53 Thorantham wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 23:46 haflo wrote:
i dont understand ...
What matchup do you believe will have a better viewability :
A) Avilio vs pokebunny or B) Idra Vs Ensnare / Zenio ?
A) root 5th guy vs VTT 5th guy or B) July VS Nada ?
seriously anyone with a striaght face can say he preffer A ? cause banning koreans means exectly that.
take any sport ... how many people watch the second league ?
when the last time you heared "no i refuse to watch barca vs real Madrid . there are too many foreiners .... its really hurt my eye to see maci and ronaldo they are not spanish!"
no league worth anything without striving to be the best , and having the best play in them .
Esport will never be worth anything unless it strive and push people to be proffesional and have the best playing thier best , cater to medicore is the oposit of sport .
the moments you need for magic to happen is best player getting thier moves that only they can.
if MJ would be prevented to play because he is too good or his skin color , the nba would not be where it is today.
now that said ,
like all sport in countrys where the imported players are better then the local ones there need to be a safty net to allow locals a chance , but that not equal of allowing locals to be medicore!
its usually something like 40% of the team need to be local -> 20 koreans rest "the world" is what come out from those numbers. this will keep competition level high , while having "forieners" a spot to showcase themself.
they still need to beat koreans in order to be champions , they will still need to strive to be more proffesional in order to do that and have high level skill.
but thats exactly what you want ,
and the story of success will be exactly the magic moments that SC2 will need to be BIG.
otherwise it will exactly like the champion of the second league in england three years ago ,
no one will remmeber.
i am not sure when SC2 will be on television ,
but before that happen top players will have to live the dream and be full proffesionals.
no one watch ANYTHING that people do halfheart .
its not easy for sure m but its been done before,
in any sport begining , in korea .
learn from others.
I would choose A. I don't know who ensnare or zenio are but I've seen Avilo at MLG and I'm familiar with Pokebunny and I see them on the Top 200 lists. I don't stay up to watch the GSL and I don't know the players. Sometimes I even go to watch the local AAA baseball team instead of watching the MLB on TV. Edit: I'd also note that it doesn't seem to me the MLG events are any less exciting and fun to attend because there aren't any Korean players there.
I guess you really like watching mediocre games. Koreans active in GSL are miles ahead of 99% of the players in MLG.
The average 3600 NA Masters player can qualify for MLG, but even a top 3 MLG finisher would have trouble getting into Code A.
I guess you really have complete disregard of the quality of the games and the quality of the players.
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On March 18 2011 00:24 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 23:53 Thorantham wrote:On March 17 2011 23:46 haflo wrote:
i dont understand ...
What matchup do you believe will have a better viewability :
A) Avilio vs pokebunny or B) Idra Vs Ensnare / Zenio ?
A) root 5th guy vs VTT 5th guy or B) July VS Nada ?
seriously anyone with a striaght face can say he preffer A ? cause banning koreans means exectly that.
take any sport ... how many people watch the second league ?
when the last time you heared "no i refuse to watch barca vs real Madrid . there are too many foreiners .... its really hurt my eye to see maci and ronaldo they are not spanish!"
no league worth anything without striving to be the best , and having the best play in them .
Esport will never be worth anything unless it strive and push people to be proffesional and have the best playing thier best , cater to medicore is the oposit of sport .
the moments you need for magic to happen is best player getting thier moves that only they can.
if MJ would be prevented to play because he is too good or his skin color , the nba would not be where it is today.
now that said ,
like all sport in countrys where the imported players are better then the local ones there need to be a safty net to allow locals a chance , but that not equal of allowing locals to be medicore!
its usually something like 40% of the team need to be local -> 20 koreans rest "the world" is what come out from those numbers. this will keep competition level high , while having "forieners" a spot to showcase themself.
they still need to beat koreans in order to be champions , they will still need to strive to be more proffesional in order to do that and have high level skill.
but thats exactly what you want ,
and the story of success will be exactly the magic moments that SC2 will need to be BIG.
otherwise it will exactly like the champion of the second league in england three years ago ,
no one will remmeber.
i am not sure when SC2 will be on television ,
but before that happen top players will have to live the dream and be full proffesionals.
no one watch ANYTHING that people do halfheart .
its not easy for sure m but its been done before,
in any sport begining , in korea .
learn from others.
I would choose A. I don't know who ensnare or zenio are but I've seen Avilo at MLG and I'm familiar with Pokebunny and I see them on the Top 200 lists. I don't stay up to watch the GSL and I don't know the players. Sometimes I even go to watch the local AAA baseball team instead of watching the MLB on TV. Edit: I'd also note that it doesn't seem to me the MLG events are any less exciting and fun to attend because there aren't any Korean players there. I guess you really like watching mediocre games. Koreans active in GSL are miles ahead of 99% of the players in MLG. The average 3600 NA Masters player can qualify for MLG, but even a top 3 MLG finisher would have trouble getting into Code A. I guess you really have complete disregard of the quality of the games and the quality of the players.
Mediocre is all relative. Compared to my skill level, and probably the majority of a general viewing audience, all of the games are high level. I'm not sure I can make a specific distinction between a game played by Fruitdealer and one played by Destiny. Nor do I necessarily need to, the competition is just as fun to watch presuming the players are relatively well matched.
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There's so much talk about how watching Koreans play will deter people from watching the NASL.
What I thought was nice about the NASL is that it's gonna be on at a reasonable time, rather than having to stay up late to watch GSL or subscribe to VODs. If Koreans come over to play, they're still going to be a part of a league catered to Western e-sports. They're never going to come over for an MLG, so it's not like the best US players won't have their own venue. NASL's got an impressive prize pool, I say let's get some equally impressive games.
So many people are saying that Korean players will make us lose interest because they lack personality of sorts- but people are expecting super soap dramas, while that's never going to happen. The 'drama' people are talking about are grudges between players, and when rivals meet. Player's aren't going to have lame stories like 'he's playing to make money to save his sister from cancer.' That's silly.
As an active SC2 player, I'm much more interested on what can be produced out of the game.
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I wonder what Koreans would think when they went out of their way to give all non-Koreans automatic entries to Code A qualifiers as well as 4 free Code A spots each tournament, many people here are talking about not inviting them to NASL because how they don't want to watch some "random Asians" play.
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On March 18 2011 00:31 Thorantham wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 00:24 chenchen wrote:On March 17 2011 23:53 Thorantham wrote:On March 17 2011 23:46 haflo wrote:
i dont understand ...
What matchup do you believe will have a better viewability :
A) Avilio vs pokebunny or B) Idra Vs Ensnare / Zenio ?
A) root 5th guy vs VTT 5th guy or B) July VS Nada ?
seriously anyone with a striaght face can say he preffer A ? cause banning koreans means exectly that.
take any sport ... how many people watch the second league ?
when the last time you heared "no i refuse to watch barca vs real Madrid . there are too many foreiners .... its really hurt my eye to see maci and ronaldo they are not spanish!"
no league worth anything without striving to be the best , and having the best play in them .
Esport will never be worth anything unless it strive and push people to be proffesional and have the best playing thier best , cater to medicore is the oposit of sport .
the moments you need for magic to happen is best player getting thier moves that only they can.
if MJ would be prevented to play because he is too good or his skin color , the nba would not be where it is today.
now that said ,
like all sport in countrys where the imported players are better then the local ones there need to be a safty net to allow locals a chance , but that not equal of allowing locals to be medicore!
its usually something like 40% of the team need to be local -> 20 koreans rest "the world" is what come out from those numbers. this will keep competition level high , while having "forieners" a spot to showcase themself.
they still need to beat koreans in order to be champions , they will still need to strive to be more proffesional in order to do that and have high level skill.
but thats exactly what you want ,
and the story of success will be exactly the magic moments that SC2 will need to be BIG.
otherwise it will exactly like the champion of the second league in england three years ago ,
no one will remmeber.
i am not sure when SC2 will be on television ,
but before that happen top players will have to live the dream and be full proffesionals.
no one watch ANYTHING that people do halfheart .
its not easy for sure m but its been done before,
in any sport begining , in korea .
learn from others.
I would choose A. I don't know who ensnare or zenio are but I've seen Avilo at MLG and I'm familiar with Pokebunny and I see them on the Top 200 lists. I don't stay up to watch the GSL and I don't know the players. Sometimes I even go to watch the local AAA baseball team instead of watching the MLB on TV. Edit: I'd also note that it doesn't seem to me the MLG events are any less exciting and fun to attend because there aren't any Korean players there. I guess you really like watching mediocre games. Koreans active in GSL are miles ahead of 99% of the players in MLG. The average 3600 NA Masters player can qualify for MLG, but even a top 3 MLG finisher would have trouble getting into Code A. I guess you really have complete disregard of the quality of the games and the quality of the players. Mediocre is all relative. Compared to my skill level, and probably the majority of a general viewing audience, all of the games are high level. I'm not sure I can make a specific distinction between a game played by Fruitdealer and one played by Destiny. Nor do I necessarily need to, the competition is just as fun to watch presuming the players are relatively well matched.
I can easily point out mistakes made by people in MLG games (I only followed a few players I liked).
I could easily point out mistakes in Code A games last season.
Better players just deliver more exciting games with their multitasking skills, better unit control, better map awareness . . . and a lot less mistakes.
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I find the arguments that fat couch potato Fred will find it more appealing to watch americans play silly. I'm sorry but your pipe dreams of having NASL on TV are faaaaaar away, i personally doubt it'll ever happen. And most nerds care more about quality as we can tell from this forum.
I'm not saying they should invite 40+ koreans either, but somewhere between 10-20 would be nice to see first season.
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On March 18 2011 00:41 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 00:31 Thorantham wrote:On March 18 2011 00:24 chenchen wrote:On March 17 2011 23:53 Thorantham wrote:On March 17 2011 23:46 haflo wrote:
i dont understand ...
What matchup do you believe will have a better viewability :
A) Avilio vs pokebunny or B) Idra Vs Ensnare / Zenio ?
A) root 5th guy vs VTT 5th guy or B) July VS Nada ?
seriously anyone with a striaght face can say he preffer A ? cause banning koreans means exectly that.
take any sport ... how many people watch the second league ?
when the last time you heared "no i refuse to watch barca vs real Madrid . there are too many foreiners .... its really hurt my eye to see maci and ronaldo they are not spanish!"
no league worth anything without striving to be the best , and having the best play in them .
Esport will never be worth anything unless it strive and push people to be proffesional and have the best playing thier best , cater to medicore is the oposit of sport .
the moments you need for magic to happen is best player getting thier moves that only they can.
if MJ would be prevented to play because he is too good or his skin color , the nba would not be where it is today.
now that said ,
like all sport in countrys where the imported players are better then the local ones there need to be a safty net to allow locals a chance , but that not equal of allowing locals to be medicore!
its usually something like 40% of the team need to be local -> 20 koreans rest "the world" is what come out from those numbers. this will keep competition level high , while having "forieners" a spot to showcase themself.
they still need to beat koreans in order to be champions , they will still need to strive to be more proffesional in order to do that and have high level skill.
but thats exactly what you want ,
and the story of success will be exactly the magic moments that SC2 will need to be BIG.
otherwise it will exactly like the champion of the second league in england three years ago ,
no one will remmeber.
i am not sure when SC2 will be on television ,
but before that happen top players will have to live the dream and be full proffesionals.
no one watch ANYTHING that people do halfheart .
its not easy for sure m but its been done before,
in any sport begining , in korea .
learn from others.
I would choose A. I don't know who ensnare or zenio are but I've seen Avilo at MLG and I'm familiar with Pokebunny and I see them on the Top 200 lists. I don't stay up to watch the GSL and I don't know the players. Sometimes I even go to watch the local AAA baseball team instead of watching the MLB on TV. Edit: I'd also note that it doesn't seem to me the MLG events are any less exciting and fun to attend because there aren't any Korean players there. I guess you really like watching mediocre games. Koreans active in GSL are miles ahead of 99% of the players in MLG. The average 3600 NA Masters player can qualify for MLG, but even a top 3 MLG finisher would have trouble getting into Code A. I guess you really have complete disregard of the quality of the games and the quality of the players. Mediocre is all relative. Compared to my skill level, and probably the majority of a general viewing audience, all of the games are high level. I'm not sure I can make a specific distinction between a game played by Fruitdealer and one played by Destiny. Nor do I necessarily need to, the competition is just as fun to watch presuming the players are relatively well matched. I can easily point out mistakes made by people in MLG games (I only followed a few players I liked). I could easily point out mistakes in Code A games last season. Better players just deliver more exciting games with their multitasking skills, better unit control, better map awareness . . . and a lot less mistakes.
Sure but I'm not sure that is going to be true for a major portion of the viewing audience.
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On March 18 2011 00:48 Thorantham wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 00:41 chenchen wrote:On March 18 2011 00:31 Thorantham wrote:On March 18 2011 00:24 chenchen wrote:On March 17 2011 23:53 Thorantham wrote:On March 17 2011 23:46 haflo wrote:
i dont understand ...
What matchup do you believe will have a better viewability :
A) Avilio vs pokebunny or B) Idra Vs Ensnare / Zenio ?
A) root 5th guy vs VTT 5th guy or B) July VS Nada ?
seriously anyone with a striaght face can say he preffer A ? cause banning koreans means exectly that.
take any sport ... how many people watch the second league ?
when the last time you heared "no i refuse to watch barca vs real Madrid . there are too many foreiners .... its really hurt my eye to see maci and ronaldo they are not spanish!"
no league worth anything without striving to be the best , and having the best play in them .
Esport will never be worth anything unless it strive and push people to be proffesional and have the best playing thier best , cater to medicore is the oposit of sport .
the moments you need for magic to happen is best player getting thier moves that only they can.
if MJ would be prevented to play because he is too good or his skin color , the nba would not be where it is today.
now that said ,
like all sport in countrys where the imported players are better then the local ones there need to be a safty net to allow locals a chance , but that not equal of allowing locals to be medicore!
its usually something like 40% of the team need to be local -> 20 koreans rest "the world" is what come out from those numbers. this will keep competition level high , while having "forieners" a spot to showcase themself.
they still need to beat koreans in order to be champions , they will still need to strive to be more proffesional in order to do that and have high level skill.
but thats exactly what you want ,
and the story of success will be exactly the magic moments that SC2 will need to be BIG.
otherwise it will exactly like the champion of the second league in england three years ago ,
no one will remmeber.
i am not sure when SC2 will be on television ,
but before that happen top players will have to live the dream and be full proffesionals.
no one watch ANYTHING that people do halfheart .
its not easy for sure m but its been done before,
in any sport begining , in korea .
learn from others.
I would choose A. I don't know who ensnare or zenio are but I've seen Avilo at MLG and I'm familiar with Pokebunny and I see them on the Top 200 lists. I don't stay up to watch the GSL and I don't know the players. Sometimes I even go to watch the local AAA baseball team instead of watching the MLB on TV. Edit: I'd also note that it doesn't seem to me the MLG events are any less exciting and fun to attend because there aren't any Korean players there. I guess you really like watching mediocre games. Koreans active in GSL are miles ahead of 99% of the players in MLG. The average 3600 NA Masters player can qualify for MLG, but even a top 3 MLG finisher would have trouble getting into Code A. I guess you really have complete disregard of the quality of the games and the quality of the players. Mediocre is all relative. Compared to my skill level, and probably the majority of a general viewing audience, all of the games are high level. I'm not sure I can make a specific distinction between a game played by Fruitdealer and one played by Destiny. Nor do I necessarily need to, the competition is just as fun to watch presuming the players are relatively well matched. I can easily point out mistakes made by people in MLG games (I only followed a few players I liked). I could easily point out mistakes in Code A games last season. Better players just deliver more exciting games with their multitasking skills, better unit control, better map awareness . . . and a lot less mistakes. Sure but I'm not sure that is going to be true for a major portion of the viewing audience.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people follow GSL than MLG.
By not inviting Koreans, who most of the community follow (look at the size of TL threads), NASL would lose a lot of audience.
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On March 18 2011 00:47 pezit wrote:
...And most nerds care more about quality as we can tell from this forum.
Good point pezit - presumably the NASL guys are viewing all this feedback. Anyway, I guess we'll start to see next week when they start to announce. Not everyone will be happy with the player pool. But either way excited to see the season start.
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