Khaydarin amulet analysis - Page 17

On March 02 2011 13:10 Donger wrote:

It's stated in the OP and in the post you just quoted.

On March 02 2011 09:32 emc wrote:
decent analysis, so as a balance, perhaps lower the warp gate cool down to maybe 40 or even 35 seconds? I also think now that amulet is going to be removed, they should remove storm research and give it to the HT automatically it seems a bit unfair they have to research an ability that makes them more useful than just feedback.

On March 02 2011 13:39 Warrice wrote:
Storm is just too strong, you can analyze all you want. but when my 200 200 army loses to a 120 food protoss army because im taking 20 damage per second wherever i go, then thats imbalanced.

On March 02 2011 11:01 Sek-Kuar wrote:



My logic is not flawed. Your problem is that you, like many other players, are simply assuming that production rate and build time is same thing. That might be true for most Terran and Protoss units with standard production cycle, but not for Zerg units and Warpgate units.


So for example reactored Factory can build 4 Helions in minute, but it doesnt mean that production time of Helion is reduced to 15 seconds. It only doubles production rate.

Another example: Zerg can get 10 Ultralisk from one Hatchery per minute (with no stockpiled larvae) - thats production rate. It doesnt mean that production time is 6 seconds. Production time is always 70 seconds.

Warpgate timeline:
0:05 HT created (1)
0:45 cooldown expires
0:50 HT created (2)
1:30 cooldown expires
1:35 HT created (3)
2:15 cooldown expires

Barrack with Tech Lab timeline:
0:45 Ghost created (1)
1:30 Ghost created (2)
2:15 Ghost created (3)

So as you can see, you are getting every unit, not just first, with 40 seconds reduced build time.

All that cooldown does is keeping same production rate. But build time is 5 seconds.



You can not say that because you can build one HT per 45 seconds, that HT is building 45 seconds. It takes 5 seconds to get him, thus build time is 5 seconds.

On March 02 2011 14:23 PXShaman wrote:
So with this nerf coming, how can protoss deal with mass mutas??

On March 02 2011 04:11 Ponyo wrote:
Storms used on marines without medivacs is super powerful. On the other hand Not really adressing your op, i wonder how you stop mass Banshee now that you can't warp in storm.

On March 02 2011 14:30 cheesemaster wrote:

another very good point i honestly dont see how this can go live, even pros of different races dont agree with this change for the most part, I remember watching miniguns stream almost a month ago when david kim asked him what he thought about getting rid of kaydarian amulet, minigun said he thought it was fine, im sure there minority of terran pros that complain constantly about this and the fact that david kim (dayvie) even though he plays random everyone knows terran is his real main. I hope they dont ignore the community ive just recently started practicing alot with HT"s and i love how they work but i guarantee i wont use them nearly as much if this change is put in place.

On March 02 2011 04:11 Ponyo wrote:
Storms used on marines without medivacs is super powerful. On the other hand Not really adressing your op, i wonder how you stop mass Banshee now that you can't warp in storm.

On March 02 2011 14:03 Velocirapture wrote:
Let me put a little bit of perspective out there for zerg players. People keep saying that zerg cant just spawn units in their main to fend off drops and this is true but it is also completely unnecessary. The thing that zerg have that protoss dont have is mobility and efficient low tier units.
What was the unit that is so slow that TLO sad specifically it CANT be used off creep? the hydra of course What is the move speed of hydras off creep? 2.25 What other units have a 2.25 move speed?
zealots, sentries and collo
If that isnt convincing enough for zerg to understand the need for anti drop warp ins then lets take a look at the move speeds of your units. Speed roaches have a move speed of 3 OFF creep. This is faster than protoss "fast" unit the stalker. In fact speedlots (which require a long, 200/200 non robo tech path upgrade) move at 2.75 which is the speed of non upgraded roaches! And need i even mention speedlings, when they are on creep they are the fastest unit in the game, even faster than chargelots WHILE they are charging!

We all know just from playing the game that zerg is WAY more mobile than toss, but when you look at the numbers you get much more of a sense as to how extreme toss' mobility deficit is.

On March 02 2011 13:37 Geovu wrote:
Here's an idea:

1) Make gateway units good

2) Get rid of Collosus

3) Get rid of Warp Gates

PvT, PvZ and PvP (Yes PvP) are now balanced. At the very least you would stop the "LOL YOU HAVE HT INSTANTLY IMBAIMBAIMBA" and "LOL YOU HAVE THE COLLOSUS AND VOID RAYZ IMBAIMBAIMBA" arguments as to why you should nerf Protoss for the 20th patch.

On March 02 2011 14:38 PXShaman wrote:


woah woah jack daniel, ur getting off topic
Protoss lack any practical AoE after this patch. ( or multiple unit damage)
Terran - Thor's (AA), Siege tanks, Hellions, Seeker missiles
Zerg - Banelings, Infestors (after patch are more helpful against MMM)

Shit you could even add Ultralisk and broodlords too since their attacks are not limited to just 1 unit.

Protoss are a bit lacking, they only have 2 units, HT, and Colossus, and Storm won't be available that long. Especially if your a feedback spammer like me.
Like fuck for real fuck fuck mofo fuck

On March 02 2011 14:43 nexkis wrote:


Yeah or you could just scout his mass mutalisks and warp in your templars early enough so that storm is already ready... problem solved.

On March 02 2011 14:43 nexkis wrote:


Yeah or you could just scout his mass mutalisks and warp in your templars early enough so that storm is already ready... problem solved.