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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On March 08 2011 06:42 Kindred wrote: It seems to me that people are complaining about the sentry being OP because they can't A-move into a P's army.... What kind of amazing micro magically gets by a forcefield? | ||
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Striding Strider
United Kingdom787 Posts
On March 08 2011 08:24 DoubleReed wrote: What kind of amazing micro magically gets by a forcefield? 1. Select MM 2. Load Medievacs 3. Move Medievacs past forcefields 4. Unload Do I win anything? | ||
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dump
Japan514 Posts
On March 08 2011 08:21 WhiteDog wrote: I was talking about FF, i NEVER whined or said anything about storm. I'm actually sad they removed kadarin amulette. IdrA is indeed qqing about colossi, I am not, I'm talking about FF being too good to protect colossi. "People win to force field because they find open areas to engage in" but when you have 6 force field with enough mana, even an open areas IS NOT ENOUGH, because the protoss can spam FF so much. I don't know what value there is in repeating myself, but protoss doesn't need force fields to protect colossi. Sure it helps, but sentries run out of energy sooner or later. Protoss death ball in the late game can hold on without any force fields. Besides, if protoss can spam sentries, then with about the same budget, zerg can get an ultra or two. It's late game, after all. And again, limiting the number of force fields that can be used doesn't help the fact that protoss has to clutch force field and turtle all the time in early-mid game. It's still boring old turtle toss. Again I've said this tons of times, but protoss' being balanced is dependent on colossi being in the army at all times. Nerf colossi and we'll start seeing other ways of playing, albeit weaker until they start buffing something else. | ||
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Kindred
Canada396 Posts
On March 08 2011 08:24 DoubleReed wrote: What kind of amazing micro magically gets by a forcefield? I'm not thinking micro to get around it but more along the lines of forcing the Protoss ball to break itself... Maybe Broodlords can help achieve that.. The Corruptors fly in to kill colossi, broodlords from a distance shoot at the ground. The main ground army of Zerg doesnt have to attack but if it does and FF are used, then the Broodlords would still be rendering the deathball down. Possible outcome is Stalkers blink to the broodlords. Wouldnt that be a good thing since the Deathball is broken and u can run ur main army in the now lonely stalkers? and FFs cant do much to stop ur Zerg ground force of killing the stalkers? All u'll have to do is push the Broodlords back a bit. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On March 08 2011 08:27 Striding Strider wrote: 1. Select MM 2. Load Medievacs 3. Move Medievacs past forcefields 4. Unload Do I win anything? Making it a nice convenient stack of units that can easily be focus fired by stalker, sentry, phoenix, void ray, feedback etc. all which often accompany sentries PvT. | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
On March 08 2011 08:27 Striding Strider wrote: 1. Select MM 2. Load Medievacs 3. Move Medievacs past forcefields 4. Unload Do I win anything? The stalkers would focus down the medivac instantly. | ||
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Cabinet Sanchez
Australia1097 Posts
On March 08 2011 07:28 bluesoup wrote: They just nerfed the stim timing... Again, taking the issues one-by-one and see how it goes... The problem was never the timing, the problem is just how much it does for the units. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On March 08 2011 08:27 Striding Strider wrote: 1. Select MM 2. Load Medievacs 3. Move Medievacs past forcefields 4. Unload Do I win anything? Close but not quite. Load medivacs with trapped units retreat a little Repeat as necessary Attacking a big protoss deathball with sentries head on is just as stupid as attacking a terran with a cluster of sieged.tanks head on. Just like with terran... you force something to happen. Force the ff and run, he doesn't have unlimited energy... and when they run out they are pretty weak units. What I have an issue with is that terran now have no real threat from high templar so they can produce a lot more Vikings with less worry of a tech switch that would make their vikings bad. What can protoss to against viking marine marauder? | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On March 08 2011 14:34 TheRabidDeer wrote: What I have an issue with is that terran now have no real threat from high templar so they can produce a lot more Vikings with less worry of a tech switch that would make their vikings bad. What can protoss to against viking marine marauder? In what way are HT not a "real threat" anymore? Are you saying that HTs are of no value unless they can be warped in and immediately Storm? | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On March 08 2011 14:40 NicolBolas wrote: In what way are HT not a "real threat" anymore? Are you saying that HTs are of no value unless they can be warped in and immediately Storm? They aren't of no value but they are worth significantly less for their high cost. Each high templar with storm is basically a 40+ sec build time (i consider te warpgate cooldown on par with a build time because it is a simple production cycle) with 30 seconds of being vulnerable before they are of much use. This on top of the fact that it is a late tier 3 unit. Basically... if terran beats the initial templar defense or attack they have a huge window of opportunity to run in and crush the protoss because they no longer have any possible unit to defend a big bioball. I mean infestors fg is really good too and its on a t2 unit (and it maintains its upgrade). They can potentially burrow-move to stay safe and it has more hp. Im not gonna say that infestors didn't need the buff but the nerf to high templar was unnecessary. | ||
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dump
Japan514 Posts
Archon toilet only affected one in a few hundred games, and it was entertaining as hell. Apparently entertainment means nothing to Blizzard. | ||
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
On March 08 2011 05:20 Sm3agol wrote: He probably just a moved them into each other. Kiting marine+marauders with stim vs a-clicked chargelots and a micro'd stalker. Again, try it out for yourself. | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On March 08 2011 18:31 Dalavita wrote: Kiting marine+marauders with stim vs a-clicked chargelots and a micro'd stalker. Again, try it out for yourself. Anyone who is doubting him go test for yourself, 1 blink stalker & 4 chargelots beat any size drop from one medivac. I don't know what the original point of the test was, because if it's late game, there's going to be much larger drops than that, probably more like three drop ships, and if we're talking early game where a drop like that is likely, then you're not going to have speedlots or blink stalkers unless you opening citadel or very quick citadel, and in that case I doubt he would drop you as much as he would want to just attack your front and kill you. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On March 08 2011 14:40 NicolBolas wrote: In what way are HT not a "real threat" anymore? Are you saying that HTs are of no value unless they can be warped in and immediately Storm? Uh yeah.. If you have to warp in the unit and wait 30 seconds (which by the way is a really friggin long time) to get enough energy for one storm, it's simply not a threat, and will probably fall into the shadows of the past, much like the reaper. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On March 08 2011 08:27 Striding Strider wrote: 1. Select MM 2. Load Medievacs 3. Move Medievacs past forcefields 4. Unload Do I win anything? lol, yea try that, and watch all your units die as they drop from medivacs 1 at a time. Good luck with that. And that's if they DON'T kill you while you're in the medivac. That solution might even be worse than not doing anything at all as you at least deal some damage if you don't do anything! | ||
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Stanlot
United States5742 Posts
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TimeSpiral
United States1010 Posts
On March 09 2011 04:32 Stanlot wrote: Can someone clarify something for me? When they say chargelots now are guaranteed to hit a retreating target at least once, do they literally mean one hit of 8 damage or both hits of one attack resulting in 16 damage? I'm also unclear as to exactly how this will function. The guaranteed hit is almost certainly both attacks, but here are the scenarios I'm wondering about ... SCENARIO 1. Marauder is about to engage and sees a Zealot 2. Charge has a range of 5 (don't know exactly, so let's say five for this example). 3. The Marauder walks into range of the Zealot and triggers 'Charge.' 4. The Marauder stims, shoots a concussive shell, and runs. 5. The Zealot never makes it within melee range. 6. Does the Zealot get a free hit here? OR ... 1. Marauder is about to engage and sees a Zealot 2. Charge has a range of 5 (don't know exactly, so let's say five for this example). 3. The Marauder walks into range of the Zealot and triggers 'Charge.' 4. The Zealots charges to melee range and attacks one time. 5. The Marauder stims, shoots a concussive shell, and runs. 6. The Marauder is three tiles away before the Zealot's attack cools down. 7. The Zealot is no longer in range to attack, and charge is still on CD. 8. Does the Zealot get an additional free hit here? Does anyone have a video of this new mechanic or know the answer to either scenario? | ||
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Grummler
Germany743 Posts
On March 08 2011 08:27 Striding Strider wrote: 1. Select MM 2. Load Medievacs 3. Move Medievacs past forcefields 4. Unload Do I win anything? If the Protoss is smart enough to: 1. right click on medivac The answer is no. | ||
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ZappaSC
Denmark215 Posts
On March 09 2011 04:57 TimeSpiral wrote: I'm also unclear as to exactly how this will function. The guaranteed hit is almost certainly both attacks, but here are the scenarios I'm wondering about ... SCENARIO 1. Marauder is about to engage and sees a Zealot 2. Charge has a range of 5 (don't know exactly, so let's say five for this example). 3. The Marauder walks into range of the Zealot and triggers 'Charge.' 4. The Marauder stims, shoots a concussive shell, and runs. 5. The Zealot never makes it within melee range. 6. Does the Zealot get a free hit here? OR ... 1. Marauder is about to engage and sees a Zealot 2. Charge has a range of 5 (don't know exactly, so let's say five for this example). 3. The Marauder walks into range of the Zealot and triggers 'Charge.' 4. The Zealots charges to melee range and attacks one time. 5. The Marauder stims, shoots a concussive shell, and runs. 6. The Marauder is three tiles away before the Zealot's attack cools down. 7. The Zealot is no longer in range to attack, and charge is still on CD. 8. Does the Zealot get an additional free hit here? Does anyone have a video of this new mechanic or know the answer to either scenario? Im pretty sure that conc does not affect the zealot until charge is done. So it will get its free hit then be slowed. | ||
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Aequos
Canada606 Posts
On March 09 2011 04:57 TimeSpiral wrote: I'm also unclear as to exactly how this will function. The guaranteed hit is almost certainly both attacks, but here are the scenarios I'm wondering about ... SCENARIO 1. Marauder is about to engage and sees a Zealot 2. Charge has a range of 5 (don't know exactly, so let's say five for this example). 3. The Marauder walks into range of the Zealot and triggers 'Charge.' 4. The Marauder stims, shoots a concussive shell, and runs. 5. The Zealot never makes it within melee range. 6. Does the Zealot get a free hit here? OR ... 1. Marauder is about to engage and sees a Zealot 2. Charge has a range of 5 (don't know exactly, so let's say five for this example). 3. The Marauder walks into range of the Zealot and triggers 'Charge.' 4. The Zealots charges to melee range and attacks one time. 5. The Marauder stims, shoots a concussive shell, and runs. 6. The Marauder is three tiles away before the Zealot's attack cools down. 7. The Zealot is no longer in range to attack, and charge is still on CD. 8. Does the Zealot get an additional free hit here? Does anyone have a video of this new mechanic or know the answer to either scenario? I'm fairly certain the reason charge does not inflict a guaranteed hit right now is because the marauder leaves melee range before the attack. Now, it will guarantee the Zealot will swing upon touching its target, essentially causing the effective attack CD after a charge to be set to zero. | ||
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