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Tiegrr
United States607 Posts
On February 28 2011 12:15 Lexpar wrote: Won't you have time to get that awful 500 gas and have them sit around for a couple seconds? I'm sure you don't have the worst T1 units in the game. When Mass Roach can decimate most Protoss armies, something is wrong. | ||
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spacenegroes
United States80 Posts
On February 28 2011 12:31 bennyaus wrote: Um, "Answer: The protoss warps in (anywhere on the map!?! prepostorous) a round of stalkers and is more than enough to clean up the pathetic and costly drop" Wow at the Protoss representatives in this thread. You are making yourselves look foolish. I want to see you warp in "a round of stalkers" to defend against 2 dropships of marines and marauders. Please, be my guest. Not to mention, if you're macroing right, you don't leave your gates ready for warp in--they're on cooldown most of the time. If you don't know how protoss works, please don't tell us how we're playing wrong. | ||
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dark fury
Sweden426 Posts
On February 28 2011 12:31 bennyaus wrote: Um, "Answer: The protoss warps in (anywhere on the map!?! prepostorous) a round of stalkers and is more than enough to clean up the pathetic and costly drop" Wow at the Protoss representatives in this thread. You are making yourselves look foolish. so you suggest killing stimmed marauders with medievac support with stalkers? wow you are making yourself look foolish. marauders just destroy gateway units, wich is why we need amulet to defend against drops. pay attention to the discussion before you make stupid posts | ||
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Phats
Australia534 Posts
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IotaSC
United States91 Posts
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jgelling
55 Posts
with the zealot buff wouldn't zealots be able to handle drops? they get a guaranteed hit per charge.. add in a sentry or 2 for some forcefields and u should be able to stop minor drops. Well: (a) you're probably not getting charge if you're not getting HT, which you probably aren't because HT are now garbage; (b) zealots are already the go-to unit to clean up drops - charge makes little difference. The storms don't clean up drops by themselves, they just make it so you don't have to pull half your army to crush 2 MMM dropships; and (c) the new charge seems to make no difference. Has anyone seen the new charge in action? If anything, it might be worse than charge as it is *now*, at least against units that are slower than 2.75. The zealot runs up to the fleeing unit, stops to take it its swing animation, gets 1 hit on its dual attack, and then charge STOPS. In some ways this is worse than the run-around their current "run-around flourish" animation. It's good for units the chargelots wouldn't otherwise be able to catch at all, like maybe a hellion or something. Against MM, I think it might be worse. It's certainly not noticeably better in any sense. I don't see this new charge making templartech more attractive or chargelots any more effective. | ||
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
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BetaFoil
Canada33 Posts
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red_b
United States1267 Posts
On February 28 2011 13:19 BetaFoil wrote: They were too strong before and it is possible they are too weak now but how weak is what blizzard is trying to find out. Were they? Im not sure I agree with your core assumption. I think blizzard just wants 1 unit comp per matchup so they dont have to put real thought into balancing a game they're punting on for its expansion. | ||
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Ighox
Norway580 Posts
On February 28 2011 13:19 BetaFoil wrote: Well after reading all of this qq over the amulet nerf I just wonder if anyone has stopped to consider that they are testing the viability of templars without it so they can make changes to tvp late game effectivly. Testing the degree of templar use post amulet would be great data to have. So stop all the qq and go play with templars on the ptr. Then comment on their viability. They were too strong before and it is possible they are too weak now but how weak is what blizzard is trying to find out. So if people aren't supposed to QQ and are just supposed to "stop all the qq and go play on ptr", how will Blizzard find out that the change is terrible? By the complete silence? | ||
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Innovation
United States284 Posts
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BetaFoil
Canada33 Posts
On February 28 2011 13:27 Ighox wrote: So if people aren't supposed to QQ and are just supposed to "stop all the qq and go play on ptr", how will Blizzard find out that the change is terrible? By the complete silence? Don't theorycraft and qq come back after you have played with them in the ptr 10, 20, 50 hours then say what you think. | ||
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
The problem is once protoss gets maxed in a PvT terran has a really hard time to do anything. Its actually easier to do something against the deathball as a zerg player. You cant base race because storms kill off everything so cost efficient , you cant really engage with mass bio vs a deathball. Dropping seems to be pointless as well - just warp in a single templar 16 maruader instant death. If you go for heavy mech style colossi + phenix or blink stalkers are almost impossible to deal with. Iam a random diamond player and whenever i roll a TvP i just do a 2banshee 1 raven 6 tank marines + scv allin because that matchup feels so broken. | ||
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Parodoxx
United States549 Posts
On February 28 2011 13:01 Phats wrote: with the zealot buff wouldn't zealots be able to handle drops? they get a guaranteed hit per charge.. add in a sentry or 2 for some forcefields and u should be able to stop minor drops. As others pointed out zealots are the go to unit to defend drops but charge is on a cooldown. so assuming we are talking about a maurder drop you would get 1 hit per zealot per 10 sec. vs maurder plus medvacs, you might break even in damage vs healing. This brings you full circle to needing HT. the storm allows you to to go beyond that break even point and eventually clean it up. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
On February 28 2011 06:48 PrinceXizor wrote: I think it'd be super interesting if warp gates would work in a big range of a nexus instead of pylon power. like nexus would have a 20-25 range bubble, and warp prisms have their current range in which they can warp in units, and not pylons alone, this prevents PVP from becoming an aggressors advantage(unless you proxy nexus i guess), and still allows P to warp in to defend bases as well as somewhat cut down on transit time, and harass via warp prism. i have always been in favor of the giant nexus range over a pylon one. one as big as the sensor tower seems okay. then we might see a proxy nexus to warp stuff in. (and people wont scout it!) | ||
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dark fury
Sweden426 Posts
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Parodoxx
United States549 Posts
On February 28 2011 14:10 idonthinksobro wrote: its a good thing that they remove the amulet - and i hope they dont revert this. Anyone that knows anything about the current state of PvT should know why this change is needed. The problem is once protoss gets maxed in a PvT terran has a really hard time to do anything. Its actually easier to do something against the deathball as a zerg player. You cant base race because storms kill off everything so cost efficient , you cant really engage with mass bio vs a deathball. Dropping seems to be pointless as well - just warp in a single templar 16 maruader instant death. If you go for heavy mech style colossi + phenix or blink stalkers are almost impossible to deal with. Iam a random diamond player and whenever i roll a TvP i just do a 2banshee 1 raven 6 tank marines + scv allin because that matchup feels so broken. Protoss Late game does need to be addressed and it was a little with the mothership nerf but the amulet was to much b/c it destroys mid game where terran have the advantage. | ||
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TyrantPotato
Australia1541 Posts
On February 28 2011 14:15 dark fury wrote: Im surprised that noone has adressed how the templar change has the potential to turn PvZ into a huge muta/ling fest, wich is basicly a bold step backwards in terms of meta-game. storm wasnt the main deterent to muta ling the surge of strong 6 gate timings completely anihalate muta ling builds, and are still strong against roach hydra so its used quite often. also stargate openings tend to steer the game towards a reaction of hydras into collosus (blizzards ultimate plan of war of the worlds domination) however it still remains a fact that HT's are not going to be used in ANY matchup anymore. essentially blizzard has removed high templars except they forgot to remove the button to build them. | ||
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Ratel
Canada184 Posts
instead of dealing with real issues that make the game imbalanced (see: marauder) they twitch the bunker build time every single patch like its the source for all the balance in the game | ||
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